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arodtoo
BOYCOTT BASEBALL!!!!
February 15, 2004 at 08:43PM View BBCode
i was goign to buy about 40 tickets total this year, but with the unfair monoplies that have happened to the sport i refuse to support it. Hopefully more people will do the same, and then the players will realize without fans their is no money, and instead of earning 39,000 an hour, they will be earning $5.15 an hour. Then the owner will realize to get teh fans back they need a hard cap(NFL style) so teams can compete. How can the devil rays ever expect to compete when the yanks outspend them 6-1. Hell the yankees left side of the infleid with a-rod and jeter earn more money than the entire 25 man d-rays team. I am a huge fan of baseball but this has gone too far when the yankees basically buy the best player in the majors, and one of the best players of all time. So please boycott baseball.
jigakoeochiro
February 15, 2004 at 08:45PM View BBCode
and if not boycott baseball boycott the yankees and their 200 million payroll
jigakoeochiro
1 lofton
2 a-rod
3 sheffield
4 giambi
5 matsui
6 posada
7 williams
8 jeter
9 cario or someone.
pitching:
kevin brown
mike mussina
javier vazquez
pen: rivera, karsay, gordon etc
February 15, 2004 at 08:47PM View BBCode
i mean come on. look at the lineups:1 lofton
2 a-rod
3 sheffield
4 giambi
5 matsui
6 posada
7 williams
8 jeter
9 cario or someone.
pitching:
kevin brown
mike mussina
javier vazquez
pen: rivera, karsay, gordon etc
sander
$50.00 for tickets if we go during the weeknight on a family special night. Thats as cheap as I can get tickets for 4. We drive 2 hrs to the park. then parking $15.00
and so on , I am sure its the same for everybody. and I am not going to do that anymore to watch a bunch of millionair prima donnas play a game.
when arod came back to play in seattle the fans threw money (fake?) out on the field.
I saw that on espn and I thought it was so funny.
boycott
February 15, 2004 at 11:27PM View BBCode
To take my family to a MLB game it cost$50.00 for tickets if we go during the weeknight on a family special night. Thats as cheap as I can get tickets for 4. We drive 2 hrs to the park. then parking $15.00
and so on , I am sure its the same for everybody. and I am not going to do that anymore to watch a bunch of millionair prima donnas play a game.
when arod came back to play in seattle the fans threw money (fake?) out on the field.
I saw that on espn and I thought it was so funny.
arodtoo
February 15, 2004 at 11:33PM View BBCode
i live in seattle and am a mariners fan, and i personall have nothing against a-rod, yes i was hurt he left, but the mariners insulted him with their offers,and who wouln;t take a quarter of a million dollars to play baseball. I am angry at the owners for the deals they allow, and more angry at the damn union for not allwoing anything to be done about it.
stazza
I agree with your sentiment
February 15, 2004 at 11:36PM View BBCode
but even if it worked, them scumbag Yankees would still sell out their stadium. I mean, I actually here people saying up there saying this is good for baseball. What a joke, baseball will never change and that's a shame.:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
jojo888
February 15, 2004 at 11:48PM View BBCode
lets focus our anger on the yankees and not on baseball in general
arodtoo
February 15, 2004 at 11:54PM View BBCode
here is the greatest stupidity, it doesn't really help teh rangers that much, "Texas will wind up paying $140 million for three seasons with Rodriguez. The Yankees will owe him $112 million for seven years."(espn)
Duff77
February 16, 2004 at 12:26PM View BBCode
Assuming the escalator clause doesn't kick in (which it probably won't). $140 million over three years to finish last, and with an offense that could have contented--even without A-Rod--if they'd had a little pitching. Bad move all the way around, Texas.
happy
February 16, 2004 at 11:33PM View BBCode
yeah... im not boycotting baseball the first season the Orioles are worth watching.
sycophantman
I won't boycott baseball either, I love it too much for that, and when are the Cubs going to be this good again?
I can't miss this, it might never happen again, the Cubs being favorites to win the division before the season starts that is!
February 17, 2004 at 12:01AM View BBCode
I've had a day to calm myself, so I can deal with this rationally...I won't boycott baseball either, I love it too much for that, and when are the Cubs going to be this good again?
I can't miss this, it might never happen again, the Cubs being favorites to win the division before the season starts that is!
happy
February 17, 2004 at 12:09AM View BBCode
I dont think this is the place to find boycotters. The problem with Baseball is people either care too much about baseball to not go, or they dont care enough to not go.
hobos
yeah... im not boycotting baseball the first season the Orioles are worth watching. [/quote]
They may be worth watching but they now have absolutely no chance against the Yankees. Most things Ive read actually put the orioles behind Tampa Bay because the Orioles have no pitching.
February 17, 2004 at 12:12AM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by happy[/i]
yeah... im not boycotting baseball the first season the Orioles are worth watching. [/quote]
They may be worth watching but they now have absolutely no chance against the Yankees. Most things Ive read actually put the orioles behind Tampa Bay because the Orioles have no pitching.
happy
February 17, 2004 at 12:18AM View BBCode
yeah, but those people are morons. Our pitching is underrated. Ponson had a breakout season last year, and we have a lot of young talent. Our pitching could turn out like the Rangers, but it could turn out much better than expected.
skierdude44
February 17, 2004 at 01:11AM View BBCode
let me first start by saying, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!:lol:. dan le batard made a great point on the 6 o'clock sportscenter today. he said that there are plenty of owners richer than steinbrenner who all had an oppurtunity to get arod but none of them stepped up to the plate. he said bar none george is the best owner in sports. now seriously lets calm down, take a deep breath, and rationally look at the situation. if arod went to the redsox, everyone was saying how it would be great for baseball, but now he is a yankee and everyone is acting like the armagedon is upon us. the redsox have done this offseason exactly what they criticized the yankees for last offseason. and if they had gotten arod and magglio they probably would have out yankeed the yankees. how come no1 was complaining about that? i mean lets face it everyone here would love to have steinbrenner as their owner. now i agree that baseball needs some kind of salary cap and also a control on these salaries. but under the current rules the yanks didnt do anything wrong. get over it. im gonna miss soriano since he was my favorite player but i will happily welcome arod.:D
sycophantman
The Yankees' payroll will be above $200 million this season, or more than six times some clubs' budgets. Say all you want about the beauty of a free market, but this is not a good thing. When the Yankees' payroll is more than $70 million above the payroll of the second-highest-paying team, there is something very wrong.
Baseball's luxury tax looks like it's a deterrent for everybody but the Yankees. That's not to say it doesn't pertain to Steinbrenner. But unlike many of his brethren, he seems quite content with having to pay it. It's the American way at work. This is what happens when one man is willing to spend, and this is what happens when one players union is too strong. The game cries out for revenue sharing and a firm salary cap, but the Yankees and the players don't want it. They can't see the forest for the trees that make the money. It's not their problem that attendance is sagging at 3-year-old Miller Park in Milwaukee or that Pittsburgh's vital signs are faint at best.
The Yankees are paying!!
The players are unable to see that the reason their salaries have been sent to that fat farm is because of disgust over franchises such as the free-spending Yankees and the brain-challenged Rangers, who overpayed by about $50 million for A-Rod in the first place. All that overspending over the years finally made the owners say, "Enough!"
Everyone said, "Enough!" except Steinbrenner, who said, "Anybody up for dessert?"
They say the All-Star Game will be played in Houston this season, but the permanent collection resides in New York. Of course, this wasn't supposed to happen. To review, owners threatened a lockout and franchise contraction a few years ago in the hopes of reducing player salaries. And it ultimately worked, but it hasn't precluded teams like the Yankees from being bold. Although Selig will point to teams like the Marlins and Angels can win the World Series, it's the big spender Yankees that can afford to shower the A-Rods of the world with large denomination bills.
New York will have to pay $112 million of what is left on Rodriguez's origional $252 million contract. Let's all pause while Steinbrenner yawns.
I'm not sure what it proves. That if you spend unlimited amounts of money, you too can win? Then it just comes down to who has the most money or who is willing to be the most irresponsible. Fine, but in the meantime, baseball has an issue that is suffocating everyone else.
Rick Morrisey column
February 17, 2004 at 03:22AM View BBCode
It's nice to see that Major League Baseball has the whole competitive balance thing figured out.The Yankees' payroll will be above $200 million this season, or more than six times some clubs' budgets. Say all you want about the beauty of a free market, but this is not a good thing. When the Yankees' payroll is more than $70 million above the payroll of the second-highest-paying team, there is something very wrong.
Baseball's luxury tax looks like it's a deterrent for everybody but the Yankees. That's not to say it doesn't pertain to Steinbrenner. But unlike many of his brethren, he seems quite content with having to pay it. It's the American way at work. This is what happens when one man is willing to spend, and this is what happens when one players union is too strong. The game cries out for revenue sharing and a firm salary cap, but the Yankees and the players don't want it. They can't see the forest for the trees that make the money. It's not their problem that attendance is sagging at 3-year-old Miller Park in Milwaukee or that Pittsburgh's vital signs are faint at best.
The Yankees are paying!!
The players are unable to see that the reason their salaries have been sent to that fat farm is because of disgust over franchises such as the free-spending Yankees and the brain-challenged Rangers, who overpayed by about $50 million for A-Rod in the first place. All that overspending over the years finally made the owners say, "Enough!"
Everyone said, "Enough!" except Steinbrenner, who said, "Anybody up for dessert?"
They say the All-Star Game will be played in Houston this season, but the permanent collection resides in New York. Of course, this wasn't supposed to happen. To review, owners threatened a lockout and franchise contraction a few years ago in the hopes of reducing player salaries. And it ultimately worked, but it hasn't precluded teams like the Yankees from being bold. Although Selig will point to teams like the Marlins and Angels can win the World Series, it's the big spender Yankees that can afford to shower the A-Rods of the world with large denomination bills.
New York will have to pay $112 million of what is left on Rodriguez's origional $252 million contract. Let's all pause while Steinbrenner yawns.
I'm not sure what it proves. That if you spend unlimited amounts of money, you too can win? Then it just comes down to who has the most money or who is willing to be the most irresponsible. Fine, but in the meantime, baseball has an issue that is suffocating everyone else.
Duff77
I'll just be happy if they break .500, honestly. I'm sick of losing all the time.
The thing to look forward to is maybe five to seven years down the road, when all these elder statesmen in Boston and New York start to retire. Some of them are old, anyway. If they can sneak in and start picking up superstar pitching free agents while some of the older players on those teams are leaving, they might be able to do something. But they need to establish a young core first...and they haven't done it yet, in my opinion. If Ponson puts up numbers this year like he did last year, then we'll talk.
And please don't tell me Jorge Julio is a proven closer. 60 hits in 61 innings? With a 4.38 ERA? I think not.
The Orioles
February 17, 2004 at 05:24AM View BBCode
The pitching is the big question mark. I don't think Ponson is a lock for ANYTHING. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he reverted back to his old form this year. There is a good crop of young pitching talent, but you can't reasonably expect all those guys to work out, and at best it'll be another two years before we really know if the pitching is going to come around. For this year, I'd say the O's still finish back of Toronto, although with a good offense they might come in third.I'll just be happy if they break .500, honestly. I'm sick of losing all the time.
The thing to look forward to is maybe five to seven years down the road, when all these elder statesmen in Boston and New York start to retire. Some of them are old, anyway. If they can sneak in and start picking up superstar pitching free agents while some of the older players on those teams are leaving, they might be able to do something. But they need to establish a young core first...and they haven't done it yet, in my opinion. If Ponson puts up numbers this year like he did last year, then we'll talk.
And please don't tell me Jorge Julio is a proven closer. 60 hits in 61 innings? With a 4.38 ERA? I think not.
ME
February 17, 2004 at 05:38PM View BBCode
the orioles will finish above the devil rays. the devil rays dont have any pitching either.
sycophantman
February 17, 2004 at 10:37PM View BBCode
I beg to differ, I think that the Devil Rays will surprise people this year, and do better than both the Orioles and Blue Jays...
ME
that is why i had to be captain obvious. devil rays get a 7th straight last place finish.
February 17, 2004 at 11:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by hobos
Most things Ive read actually put the orioles behind Tampa Bay because the Orioles have no pitching.
that is why i had to be captain obvious. devil rays get a 7th straight last place finish.
hobos
February 18, 2004 at 12:36AM View BBCode
Gonzalez and Zambrano are just as good if not better than Ponson. Waechter looked good last year but he has nothing overpowering, but still is better than the Oriole's second best pitcher. Brazelton is unproven and I cant remember the other guy the rays want to start. Ponson is the only name I can think of in the Oriole's rotation(although I know the #2 guy has a career winning record well under .500)
ME
#3 Kurt Ainsworth?
#4 ?
#5 ?
Gonzalez and Zambrano were the two pitchers i saw LOSE to the Orioles last year when i saw O's vs D-Rays. Ponson is better than both of them. Both are about as good as Lopez. Neither team has good depth in SPs.
The Orioles have much better hitting, the Devil Rays MIGHT have slightly better pitching. Definate advantage Baltimore.
February 18, 2004 at 12:41AM View BBCode
#2 Rodrigo Lopez#3 Kurt Ainsworth?
#4 ?
#5 ?
Gonzalez and Zambrano were the two pitchers i saw LOSE to the Orioles last year when i saw O's vs D-Rays. Ponson is better than both of them. Both are about as good as Lopez. Neither team has good depth in SPs.
The Orioles have much better hitting, the Devil Rays MIGHT have slightly better pitching. Definate advantage Baltimore.
SykkBoy
In fact, I've been catching more minor league games in that last few years. There are some great young players and you can't beat $5 tickets, $3 dogs and $3 beers...it's also fun to say "I remember when..." when a player finally breaks through into the big leagues
February 18, 2004 at 11:45PM View BBCode
For me, Ijust love the game of baseball. I like to see great games played and am not as concerned about who is being paid what.In fact, I've been catching more minor league games in that last few years. There are some great young players and you can't beat $5 tickets, $3 dogs and $3 beers...it's also fun to say "I remember when..." when a player finally breaks through into the big leagues
happy
February 18, 2004 at 11:57PM View BBCode
Well, i like competition, I hate the Tigers as much as the yankees.Pages: 1 2