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skierdude44
the height of hypocricy
February 19, 2004 at 03:25AM View BBCode
red sox owner john henry is whining that there needs to be a salary cap in baseball, this comes a day after red sox president larry lucchino basically pleaded with bud selig to reverse the arod trade in the best interest of "competitive balance" in the league. im curious though, is there a salary cap needed if arod was a redsock and would the competitive balance be affected. and how is signing foulke and schilling helping the competitive balance and keeping salaries down. and why all of the sudden should there be a salary cap. this isnt the first sign of hypocricy shown by the sox either, last season they called the yankees the evil empire after they beat them out for contreras and criticized them heavily for all the players they sign and then they went out this offseason and tried to out yankee the yankees. im confused, how come it was wrong a year ago when ur rival does it but it is right the very next year when u do it. i agree that a salary cap is needed but i mean come on, obviously henry isnt the guy to say this especially right after arod went to the yanks. gimme a break.
happy
February 19, 2004 at 04:00AM View BBCode
well, trying to have a team within oh 50 mil from the Yankees might help the competitive balance. lets just say that the Tigers paying a bunch of money for Ivan Rodriguez isnt going to throw off the competitive balance.
hobos
February 19, 2004 at 04:29AM View BBCode
I think there needs to be a salary cap but it amuses me to see Boston whining about it. If a cap were put into place, Boston would be over it. The Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels are over any feasible cap. I assume the cap would be anywhere from $100-120 million, thus greatly affecting all those teams. Has anyone heard what the cap would be theoretically? If it were higher than $120 million, then it would be useless
Duff77
February 19, 2004 at 05:17AM View BBCode
Well, it goes both ways. Boston has, what...$130 million payroll? They're clearly part of the problem. And yet, the Yankees have something like a $195 million payroll. So Boston is something of a victim, too. But clearly it's the Devil Rays that ought to be whining about competitive balance, not the Red Sox.
hobos
February 19, 2004 at 05:27AM View BBCode
The Rays are the only ones not complaining it seems. I'm going to laugh if they win the season opener. I dont care if they win another game all season, as long as they win that game (it's against the yankees in Japan if you were unaware of that)
Duff77
February 19, 2004 at 05:43AM View BBCode
If the D-Rays can win the opener and keep A-Rod hittless, they can lose the other 161 and consider it a successful season.
skierdude44
anyway, i wonder what a convient cap would be for mr. henry. say 130 million? ridiculous.
February 19, 2004 at 12:10PM View BBCode
lol.anyway, i wonder what a convient cap would be for mr. henry. say 130 million? ridiculous.
sycophantman
It's actually pretty funny...
February 19, 2004 at 01:36PM View BBCode
Have to agree, John Henry is being an ass, he is just as guilty as Steinbrenner (and yes, as the Tribune company now) of taking advantage of an unfair system. Yet Henry yells the loudest about it...It's actually pretty funny...
arodtoo
February 19, 2004 at 08:14PM View BBCode
funny thing is even if red sox got a-rod, they still would have had a lower payroll then the yankees. The sad part is baseball weekly ran a compairson of the milwaukee starting line up and the yankees starting lineup(11 players) and it was 22 million to 110 million. A-rod and jeter combined make more than thge brewers starting lineup. If the Yankees pooled all their m,oney together from this year, they could buy the FLordia Marlins and pay the Marlins salary.
skierdude44
February 19, 2004 at 08:15PM View BBCode
i mean if he got arod would he still say this? of course not, and it is obvious he is only saying it bcuz his biggest rival just landed the best player in baseball and the guy he wanted, making his chances of winning slimmer. if u r sincere in ur complaint u will atleast get some respect although u did agree to the current agreement but he is just saying it to try and dismantle the yankees.
DrDiamond
Essentially, it boils down to this: should a team with the highest financial resources be allowed to spend in an unlimited fashion to collect the best available team? If that's the case, then what's the point for Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Montreal?
If you believe that the Yankees (or the Red Sox, or whomever) should be allowed to spend whatever they can, then let's start a $100-million-plus salary league and end the charade.
I'm not an NFL fan, but the cap there seems to work quite well in ensuring competitive balance. On the other hand, one only needs to look at other sports, such as the NHL and international soccer to see examples of what can happen with an ever-spiralling wage war. Two NHL teams defaulted last year, and in England, several top-flight soccer teams are in danger of going into administration.
I'll grant you, it does come off like sour grapes, and I wish the Sox execs would stop with the "Evil Empire" whining, but, if you pause for a moment and think it through, there's a solid ground for suggesting a cap in baseball, before it's too late.
Stop the madness!
February 19, 2004 at 08:39PM View BBCode
The Red Sox have the payroll they do because a) they can afford it, up to a point, and b) they have to in order to attempt to stay competitive with New York.Essentially, it boils down to this: should a team with the highest financial resources be allowed to spend in an unlimited fashion to collect the best available team? If that's the case, then what's the point for Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Montreal?
If you believe that the Yankees (or the Red Sox, or whomever) should be allowed to spend whatever they can, then let's start a $100-million-plus salary league and end the charade.
I'm not an NFL fan, but the cap there seems to work quite well in ensuring competitive balance. On the other hand, one only needs to look at other sports, such as the NHL and international soccer to see examples of what can happen with an ever-spiralling wage war. Two NHL teams defaulted last year, and in England, several top-flight soccer teams are in danger of going into administration.
I'll grant you, it does come off like sour grapes, and I wish the Sox execs would stop with the "Evil Empire" whining, but, if you pause for a moment and think it through, there's a solid ground for suggesting a cap in baseball, before it's too late.
Stop the madness!
skierdude44
February 19, 2004 at 08:58PM View formatted
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they definetly have a point. unfortunately that is not why they are suggesting it. they are suggesting it just to get back at the yankees for the arod deal. but honestly if a cap was put in say, tomorrow, the redsox would be over it by a considerable amount also, which limits their credibillty even further.
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