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DougB
Seriously, Manny is not worthy of being higher paid than every player in baseball, especially given his age. So why pay him more? If the Dodgers increase their offer they would only be outbidding themselves.
Manny turns down $25,000,000?
February 03, 2009 at 02:31PM View BBCode
I would become a Dodger fan if they make another offer to Manny next week... for $24,000,000. And if he turns that down the next offer is $23,000,000. That would be awesome. My prediction is that he would sign for $24M.Seriously, Manny is not worthy of being higher paid than every player in baseball, especially given his age. So why pay him more? If the Dodgers increase their offer they would only be outbidding themselves.
FuriousGiorge
February 03, 2009 at 04:50PM View BBCode
Worthy has nothing to do with it. There's a player's value on the open market. That is the only thing there is.
tm4559
besides, when the dust settles on the yankees outfield situation, they are going to do a little two year deal with manny. proably let matsui play left, manny dh.
let us not forget, manny...can......really....hit.
February 03, 2009 at 04:52PM View formatted
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would $24 million be the highest paid?
besides, when the dust settles on the yankees outfield situation, they are going to do a little two year deal with manny. proably let matsui play left, manny dh.
let us not forget, manny...can......really....hit.
happy
February 03, 2009 at 06:11PM View BBCode
Open Market situation is bad for Manny, a million good hitting bad defense corner outfielders. Manny shouldve taken the deal and gone back into the market next year.
FuriousGiorge
February 03, 2009 at 06:14PM View BBCode
Manny is 36 and coming off the mythical "carry the team on his back" half-season. This off-season is the time to cash in. It's not the per-year that he and Boras are trying to maximize, it's the guaranteed total.
happy
I just dont think many GMs for legitimate contending teams are dumb enough to fall for the "carry the team on his back for half a season" thing anymore. So essentially he either needs to get a deal done with the mets, or he needs to take the deal with LA.
changing subjects...
Rich Hill deal looks good for the orioles. He recovers from injury and plays well, you win, he doesnt play well, you dont lose much. Wiggington didnt look like too bad of a pickup either.
February 03, 2009 at 06:24PM View BBCode
Yeah, I realize that. Obviously the chance for Manny to decline is substantial, but teams realize this. I mean, if he wants multiple years, he is going to get far less per year becuase everyone knows he will decline, if he goes another season playing well, he may well get an even bigger contract next season.I just dont think many GMs for legitimate contending teams are dumb enough to fall for the "carry the team on his back for half a season" thing anymore. So essentially he either needs to get a deal done with the mets, or he needs to take the deal with LA.
changing subjects...
Rich Hill deal looks good for the orioles. He recovers from injury and plays well, you win, he doesnt play well, you dont lose much. Wiggington didnt look like too bad of a pickup either.
tm4559
1. manny will get plenty coin to be a DH for someone in the amercian league. probably the yankees. they are playing coy, that is all. nothing manny would like better than to go there and help beat up on the red sox. probably his agent is holding up the deal. also, ramirez can play a perfectly credible left field if need be for whatever team. because he is that good a hitter, they don't care what the does out there.
2. the second half in LA was huge, like craig says (the first half in boston wasn't that bad).
ramirez is a great, great hitter. hits, doubles, home runs, all of it, and if he doesn't want to swing, he gets walked. he is just waiting for the right deal. maybe he just really doesn't want to play for the dodgers.
February 03, 2009 at 06:29PM View BBCode
two things1. manny will get plenty coin to be a DH for someone in the amercian league. probably the yankees. they are playing coy, that is all. nothing manny would like better than to go there and help beat up on the red sox. probably his agent is holding up the deal. also, ramirez can play a perfectly credible left field if need be for whatever team. because he is that good a hitter, they don't care what the does out there.
2. the second half in LA was huge, like craig says (the first half in boston wasn't that bad).
ramirez is a great, great hitter. hits, doubles, home runs, all of it, and if he doesn't want to swing, he gets walked. he is just waiting for the right deal. maybe he just really doesn't want to play for the dodgers.
FuriousGiorge
Honestly, I don't think Manny really gives a censored where he plays. The Giants have been rumored to be interested - if he goes there, everyone will wonder why he left a better situation in LA for a crappier one in SF, but I'm pretty sure all Manny wants to do is hit and make a lot of money.
February 03, 2009 at 06:40PM View BBCode
Boras is obviously a very smart agent, and the thought is that he has another deal lined up that's better than what the Dodgers are offering. Manny will decline eventually, and he's going to lose money if he ends up having to sign a series of 1-year offers.Honestly, I don't think Manny really gives a censored where he plays. The Giants have been rumored to be interested - if he goes there, everyone will wonder why he left a better situation in LA for a crappier one in SF, but I'm pretty sure all Manny wants to do is hit and make a lot of money.
happy
February 03, 2009 at 06:42PM View BBCode
also, you would think SF wouldnt want an aging power hitting corner outfielder with bad defense and a bad clubhouse presence.
FuriousGiorge
February 03, 2009 at 06:44PM View BBCode
The appeal of someone like Manny to the theoretical bottom line (and the general good will that it engenders with your fans) can be difficult to pass up.
tm4559
February 03, 2009 at 06:47PM View BBCode
i believe he will end up with the yankees, two seasons, for about 50 million, hit cleanup or fifth, and knock in about a kazillion runs.
FuriousGiorge
February 03, 2009 at 06:48PM View BBCode
Yeah, he's not going to end up with the Yankees next year.
happy
February 03, 2009 at 06:55PM View BBCode
Seriously, the mets are the only team dumb enough to do this boras deal. Although i guess the giants arent too smart either.
DougB
I think this is a bad open market for 37 year old corner outfielders.
If I were a Dodger fan I'd rather have Bobby Abreu for 12 million and use the remaining money to get a trade done if the team was in the hunt at the all-star break.
February 03, 2009 at 08:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Worthy has nothing to do with it. There's a player's value on the open market. That is the only thing there is.
I think this is a bad open market for 37 year old corner outfielders.
If I were a Dodger fan I'd rather have Bobby Abreu for 12 million and use the remaining money to get a trade done if the team was in the hunt at the all-star break.
sycophantman
Let's change the subject, please? Manny can hit, and he's over pricing himself. Same old, same old, same old story.
Rich Hill is going to be a steal in the long run, I think. The Cubs gave up on him too soon, there is a fine pitcher there...
February 03, 2009 at 10:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
changing subjects...
Rich Hill deal looks good for the orioles. He recovers from injury and plays well, you win, he doesnt play well, you dont lose much. Wiggington didnt look like too bad of a pickup either.
Let's change the subject, please? Manny can hit, and he's over pricing himself. Same old, same old, same old story.
Rich Hill is going to be a steal in the long run, I think. The Cubs gave up on him too soon, there is a fine pitcher there...
happy
BP said that Wieters had the best offfensive minor league season in the past 40 years (based off of rate stats). Pretty crazy for a catcher. Bill James Projection has him at .311/.407/.526 for next year. That couldnt possibly be the major leagues could it? That might be an MVP season for a catcher.
the other two projection system have some lower stats. .274/.352/.439 and .294/.373/.487... but still, could the orioles finally stop sucking soon?
February 03, 2009 at 10:15PM View BBCode
He was awesome in 2007. Baseball prospectus PETOCA projections have him looking good. Fangraphs projections? not so much. Clearly if he doesnt overcome his injuries, he isnt going to be anything, but he has a lot of potential to be good.BP said that Wieters had the best offfensive minor league season in the past 40 years (based off of rate stats). Pretty crazy for a catcher. Bill James Projection has him at .311/.407/.526 for next year. That couldnt possibly be the major leagues could it? That might be an MVP season for a catcher.
the other two projection system have some lower stats. .274/.352/.439 and .294/.373/.487... but still, could the orioles finally stop sucking soon?
tm4559
February 03, 2009 at 10:26PM View BBCode
they going to be looking for something to catch, i guess they have something coming in the minors. they aren't going to let that kid catch for long, 1st base, dh, anything but catcher.
tm4559
or maybe, just maybe, there are no more pete rose type pricks playing baseball?
February 03, 2009 at 10:27PM View BBCode
because, you know, he might make the all star game. and some clown like pete rose will come barrelling in there and wreck his career.or maybe, just maybe, there are no more pete rose type pricks playing baseball?
FuriousGiorge
February 03, 2009 at 10:31PM View BBCode
Joe Mauer catches. If he can do it competently, he'll do it in the majors.
FuriousGiorge
February 03, 2009 at 10:34PM View BBCode
(You know what would be funny? If one of the players on the "Player to be Named Later" list in the Hill deal was Matt Wieters.)
tm4559
i didn't mean here this season, nobody cares how good the kid can catch really. i meant on down the road, if the kid is going to be a great hitter, especially a great power hitter, why would they wear him out at catcher?
February 03, 2009 at 10:37PM View BBCode
that would be funny.i didn't mean here this season, nobody cares how good the kid can catch really. i meant on down the road, if the kid is going to be a great hitter, especially a great power hitter, why would they wear him out at catcher?