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Duff77
Martha Stewart found guilty on izzall counts
NEW YORK (LBC) -- A jury found Martha Stewart guilty on izzall four counts brizzle faced in her obstruction of justice trial Friday, know what I'm sayin'?
Her ex-broker, Peter Bacanovic, wuz found guilty on four of da five charges tha dude faced." Each could be sentenced up five years in da cage 'n fined $250,000 fo' each count."
Neither defendant appeared show any emotion when da verdict wuz read, though da lead prosecutor appeared be holding back tears of joy."
"The word is -- beware -- 'n don't engage in this type of conduct because that shiznit will not be tolerated," be like David Kelley, U.S. attorney fo' da Southern District of New York, outside da courthouse."
I don't know...this just makes me happy. Your standard downfall of an acerbic icon thing. But I was wondering if K-Mart might have a comment on this development.
Martha Stewart is guilty!
March 06, 2004 at 05:51AM View BBCode
According to the Shizzolator:Martha Stewart found guilty on izzall counts
NEW YORK (LBC) -- A jury found Martha Stewart guilty on izzall four counts brizzle faced in her obstruction of justice trial Friday, know what I'm sayin'?
Her ex-broker, Peter Bacanovic, wuz found guilty on four of da five charges tha dude faced." Each could be sentenced up five years in da cage 'n fined $250,000 fo' each count."
Neither defendant appeared show any emotion when da verdict wuz read, though da lead prosecutor appeared be holding back tears of joy."
"The word is -- beware -- 'n don't engage in this type of conduct because that shiznit will not be tolerated," be like David Kelley, U.S. attorney fo' da Southern District of New York, outside da courthouse."
I don't know...this just makes me happy. Your standard downfall of an acerbic icon thing. But I was wondering if K-Mart might have a comment on this development.
dawson
March 06, 2004 at 06:03AM View BBCode
If Kmart doesn't, I am sure TARGET has a few choice words!
sycophantman
So now Martha is getting jail time because she wasn't honest when first asked about this?
That's what it comes down to, she isn't going up the river because of the actual stock tip she got, but because she lied about it!
What the hell?!
I know John Ashcroft is in the hospital with a bad case of 'Evil' but once he's out, how about he put the screws to all those Enron jerks who somehow are still free men!
This whole thing stinks! I'm no lover of Martha Stewart, but she is being made an example of because she is a successful woman in a man's world.
Shameful....:mad:
March 06, 2004 at 04:09PM View BBCode
I say BOOOO!!!So now Martha is getting jail time because she wasn't honest when first asked about this?
That's what it comes down to, she isn't going up the river because of the actual stock tip she got, but because she lied about it!
What the hell?!
I know John Ashcroft is in the hospital with a bad case of 'Evil' but once he's out, how about he put the screws to all those Enron jerks who somehow are still free men!
This whole thing stinks! I'm no lover of Martha Stewart, but she is being made an example of because she is a successful woman in a man's world.
Shameful....:mad:
arodtoo
March 06, 2004 at 04:59PM View BBCode
they are going after the enron men, i know a few have gone to prison already. It is just taking a long time because it requires an army of men to figure out how enron did what they did, it was very confusing i hear
jojo888
March 07, 2004 at 12:00AM View BBCode
What's funny to me is that she is going to jail and that she is like the perfect house wife. I wonder how she's going to look after her stay in a penetentiary.
happy
anyway, i think of it as funny that stewart is gonna probably get lesbian raped in jail:lol:
March 07, 2004 at 01:16AM View BBCode
I think Martha Stewart and Michael Jackson are being discriminated against for being rich white womenanyway, i think of it as funny that stewart is gonna probably get lesbian raped in jail:lol:
andrew
LOL
March 07, 2004 at 01:18AM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
I think Martha Stewart and Michael Jackson are being discriminated against for being rich white women
LOL
happy
one of those late night TV shows had it, Conan or Letterman or Leno or something.
March 07, 2004 at 05:19AM View BBCode
:lol: too bad i stole it :lol:one of those late night TV shows had it, Conan or Letterman or Leno or something.
farfetched
March 07, 2004 at 07:53AM View BBCode
I do think Martha Stewart's finest moment had to come when she 'ingested' a whole turkey. People who are fans of the show know what I'm talking about. :D
nextyearcubs
Here's what Martha did... She hears that Imclone's new wonder drug wouldn't be approved before the information became public. She dumps the stock upon hearing this inside "tip" and saves $51,000.... She's a multi-millionaire (she was once valued at over a billion), but can't lose this pocket change. Talk about greed. Now she and her broker cover it up and lie about it to a grand jury... Most people say that if she'd told the truth, she'd probably have walked anyhow, the amount of money wasn't too significant, and they were after Waksal, they wanted to prove he had the info and informed specific people. Meanwhile, the case goes to court, and her defense calls only one witness, whom happened to be neither of the defendants. The entire defense of Stewart and Bacanovic lasted less than an hour!!! If you want to consider Stewart a victim, I would say she was more victim to bad defense a than heavy handed Justice Department.
Also its worth to note the 35 count indictment on former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling handed down last month. That brings the total number of people charged in Enron to 28, with 9 guilty pleas, most notably Andy Fastow, the former CFO. Look up Bernie Ebbers or John Rigas (he's the Adelphia guy, he bankrupted the Sabres and originally had the naming rights for the Titans' stadium). Stewart isn't the only who has to answer for what they've done, just by far the most famous. If she is being made out to be a victim, its by the media, because there are plenty of real white collar criminals being pursued, but they don't get much attention, except maybe on the business page.
March 07, 2004 at 01:23PM View BBCode
Syco, you said in another post that you thought it was OK if the government tried to garner perjury charges against baseball players, but oh, if Martha gets caught trying to cover her butt in an investigation, its sexist. Its common for criminals to get caught in the commision of other crimes in the act of a cover up (think Al Capone's tax evasion). Sometimes there is more proof from the cover up than the actual crime. Martha should consider it a blessing that she wasn't convicted of what she really did, that would have earned her more time in the slammer. Sam Waksal, the CEO of Imclone, who originated the tip, got seven years (in white collar resort prison) for securities fraud. Her broker was also convicted... she wasn't the only one to go down for this.Here's what Martha did... She hears that Imclone's new wonder drug wouldn't be approved before the information became public. She dumps the stock upon hearing this inside "tip" and saves $51,000.... She's a multi-millionaire (she was once valued at over a billion), but can't lose this pocket change. Talk about greed. Now she and her broker cover it up and lie about it to a grand jury... Most people say that if she'd told the truth, she'd probably have walked anyhow, the amount of money wasn't too significant, and they were after Waksal, they wanted to prove he had the info and informed specific people. Meanwhile, the case goes to court, and her defense calls only one witness, whom happened to be neither of the defendants. The entire defense of Stewart and Bacanovic lasted less than an hour!!! If you want to consider Stewart a victim, I would say she was more victim to bad defense a than heavy handed Justice Department.
Also its worth to note the 35 count indictment on former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling handed down last month. That brings the total number of people charged in Enron to 28, with 9 guilty pleas, most notably Andy Fastow, the former CFO. Look up Bernie Ebbers or John Rigas (he's the Adelphia guy, he bankrupted the Sabres and originally had the naming rights for the Titans' stadium). Stewart isn't the only who has to answer for what they've done, just by far the most famous. If she is being made out to be a victim, its by the media, because there are plenty of real white collar criminals being pursued, but they don't get much attention, except maybe on the business page.
Duff77
March 07, 2004 at 03:11PM View BBCode
And furthermore, who gives a damn if it's sexist? What do I care why a particular person gets targeted? If the trial is fair and the evidence is strong enough for a JURY OF HER PEERS to convict, what do I care if the prosecuter gets a woody? So long as the motivations behind a prosecution do not affect the determination of guilt, then I really could care less what anyone's motives are.
farfetched
March 07, 2004 at 03:14PM View BBCode
I'm not talking about HER show, Duff... I was talking about South Park... lmao
nextyearcubs
March 07, 2004 at 11:51PM View BBCode
I don't think it was sexist anyways, the jury had 8 women to only 4 men. She and her broker were convicted more or less because their defense failed to make a case for them, instead trying to discredit the government's version of the story.
sycophantman
we could focus as intently on most any other business and
find just as many crimes being committed, yet Martha started to
feel like so much placation, rather than actual fair justice...
But hey, the comedians out there have to be giddy about all
the material this is going to give them.
March 08, 2004 at 03:59AM View BBCode
I don't know, I think I'm just venting because, even though Martha was clearly guilty,we could focus as intently on most any other business and
find just as many crimes being committed, yet Martha started to
feel like so much placation, rather than actual fair justice...
But hey, the comedians out there have to be giddy about all
the material this is going to give them.
Duff77
That's why I remain in favor of public scrutiny and accusations, as unfair as they inhernetly are. If you don't keep the pot boiling it's too easy for the bad guys--or their friends--to let the story drop.
March 08, 2004 at 05:02AM View formatted
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I'm more than willing to believe that political backscratching has the potential to keep certain "friends" of the administration out of serious trouble. But I don't think Martha Stewart was used as "cover" in that regard. In this culture, time is the best weapon. Don't talk about Enron for long enough and people's minds move on.
That's why I remain in favor of public scrutiny and accusations, as unfair as they inhernetly are. If you don't keep the pot boiling it's too easy for the bad guys--or their friends--to let the story drop.
happy
March 08, 2004 at 05:03AM View BBCode
The fact is that it is EXTREMELY rare for rich people to get any jail time for doing bad things. think OJ. The thing is that there is NO way that she went to jail for being famous, and there is NO way that she went to jail because she was a girl. Lets look up how many women are in jail, as compared to men. Of course men commit more crimes, and they go to jail more. The judicial system isnt sexist. It isnt racist either. More blacks go to jail because they commit more crimes.
Duff77
March 08, 2004 at 05:19AM View BBCode
And blacks serve longer sentences for equal crimes commited by whites. Listen...the judical system is all about juries, and juries are as racist as the society they are made from...and BELIEVE ME...there are still racists in this country. Lots of them. I've KNOWN lots of them. And they're serving on juries just like anybody else.
happy
March 08, 2004 at 05:27AM View BBCode
I know plenty of racists, and most of them are black. Blacks may be serving longer sentances for doing the same thing, but that is because it is their third time doing it.
Duff77
But I would suspect that these stereotypes play out across the board. Some white guy comes walking up having not shaved in six months and having sixteen tattoos, it says something about the guy and it sits in a jury's mind. A clean-cut banker in a nice suit, who charms the pants off everybody in cross examination...he's regarded much differently. And as it is in all cases, the way a person physically or instinctively reacts to another goes a long way in influencing how you examine facts pertaining to that person. That's just human nature. And in court rooms, human nature can be powerful and dangerous.
March 08, 2004 at 05:36AM View BBCode
I think there are as many black racists as white ones, and neither type deserves any slack whatsoever. And come to think of it, the sentencing issue is becoming increasingly irrelevant because of mandatory sentencing laws. I would still argue that blacks are more likely to be convicted with less evidence than whites, because there are still a lot of places where being black is evidence enough.But I would suspect that these stereotypes play out across the board. Some white guy comes walking up having not shaved in six months and having sixteen tattoos, it says something about the guy and it sits in a jury's mind. A clean-cut banker in a nice suit, who charms the pants off everybody in cross examination...he's regarded much differently. And as it is in all cases, the way a person physically or instinctively reacts to another goes a long way in influencing how you examine facts pertaining to that person. That's just human nature. And in court rooms, human nature can be powerful and dangerous.
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