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ironhorse2ko
The Michael Vick Sweeptakes!!!
May 21, 2009 at 02:22PM View formatted
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Which team (depending on how repentant he will be for past actions) will likely pick him up and what postion he will play?
dirtdevil
May 21, 2009 at 02:27PM View BBCode
why would michael vick play any position other than quarterback?
ironhorse2ko
May 21, 2009 at 02:33PM View BBCode
Because other teams many not be all that willing to replace their starter w/ Vick. Also, he has potential as a rusher; Minnesota would be a good place for him as a QB though.
DougB
Personally I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun to have some crazy wishbone with Vick, Tebo, and Tomlinson in there.
May 21, 2009 at 02:43PM View BBCode
because most backup quaterbacks with that much obvious running skill would be considered for other positions. Kick returner, wideout, dime back, some bastardized backfield...Personally I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun to have some crazy wishbone with Vick, Tebo, and Tomlinson in there.
dirtdevil
(also, no one is going to be paying him to be their backup qb. he may not start from day one, but that's going to be the goal.)
May 21, 2009 at 04:38PM View BBCode
they guy was an all-pro quarterback and has no experience playing any other position. why on earth would anyone want to train him somewhere else at this point of his career. the idea is ridiculous.(also, no one is going to be paying him to be their backup qb. he may not start from day one, but that's going to be the goal.)
FuriousGiorge
May 21, 2009 at 05:04PM View BBCode
Yeah Deke, I think you're wrong on this one. I think there is at least a chance that a team will want to sign him to fill a more flexible role.
tm4559
May 21, 2009 at 05:18PM View BBCode
the idea of some team taking him and doing some option stuff i find interesting. it would be fun to watch.
happy
May 21, 2009 at 06:17PM View BBCode
saying vick is a pro bowl QB is a misleading statement of fact.
tm4559
in what context?
May 21, 2009 at 06:26PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
saying vick is a pro bowl QB is a misleading statement of fact.
in what context?
folifan19
He said WAS a pro bowl QB, not is. Not that it matters...
May 21, 2009 at 06:27PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
saying vick is a pro bowl QB is a misleading statement of fact.
He said WAS a pro bowl QB, not is. Not that it matters...
FuriousGiorge
May 21, 2009 at 06:30PM View BBCode
All-pro (which is what Deke said) is a lot different from Pro Bowl. Vick went to some Pro Bowls, but he was never an All-Pro.
tm4559
abraham lincoln was a fine president. he is as dead as dogshit, and therefore, right now, not an acceptable president.
May 21, 2009 at 06:30PM View BBCode
Originally posted by folifan19
He said WAS a pro bowl QB, not is. Not that it matters...
abraham lincoln was a fine president. he is as dead as dogshit, and therefore, right now, not an acceptable president.
tm4559
in light of the all-pro/pro-bowl distinction, i am guessing happy was just trying to mislead us, in a roundabout fashion. which is the best way.
May 21, 2009 at 06:32PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
saying vick is a pro bowl QB is a misleading statement of fact.
in light of the all-pro/pro-bowl distinction, i am guessing happy was just trying to mislead us, in a roundabout fashion. which is the best way.
FuriousGiorge
[Edited on 5-21-2009 by FuriousGiorge]
May 21, 2009 at 06:34PM View BBCode
It's possible. Deke was definitely wrong about the all-pro thing (and it's not a trivial distinction - there are like 6 Pro Bowl QB's every season, plus alternates, but All-Pro recognizes one 1st-team guy and one 2nd team guy and that's pretty much it.)[Edited on 5-21-2009 by FuriousGiorge]
dirtdevil
how so? he was, in fact, a 3-time pro-bowl qb. if he has anywhere near the skills he left with, he's probably a better qb than what about roughly a quarter of the league has in place right now. he'd certainly be a very interesting asset for any team who was planning on running some wildcat packages. there's no telling what he's got left, but i really don't see anyone signing him as a RB or a WR.
May 21, 2009 at 06:35PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
saying vick is a pro bowl QB is a misleading statement of fact.
how so? he was, in fact, a 3-time pro-bowl qb. if he has anywhere near the skills he left with, he's probably a better qb than what about roughly a quarter of the league has in place right now. he'd certainly be a very interesting asset for any team who was planning on running some wildcat packages. there's no telling what he's got left, but i really don't see anyone signing him as a RB or a WR.
dirtdevil
yes, i meant pro-bowl, obviously. my bad there.
May 21, 2009 at 06:36PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
All-pro (which is what Deke said) is a lot different from Pro Bowl. Vick went to some Pro Bowls, but he was never an All-Pro.
yes, i meant pro-bowl, obviously. my bad there.
tm4559
May 21, 2009 at 06:38PM View BBCode
but you didn't say he was a pro-bowl QB. i am misled actually. i am just not sure who by. what we need is ME. he could tell us, quite flatly and finally, whether Vick ever was, at any point in his career, great, decent or sucked. and then we wouldn't need these pesky speculations.
FuriousGiorge
That's a huge if. And I guess the point is, Vick holds none of the cards here. If he's holding out for a QB job, then his options are limited to a handful of teams (a quarter of the league is 8 teams). And it's not like people are banging down his door - given his situation, those 8 teams might not consider him worth the risk. But if he's willing to expand his options, to think about signing as something more varied, then his opportunities really widen.
May 21, 2009 at 06:40PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
if he has anywhere near the skills he left with, he's probably a better qb than what about roughly a quarter of the league has in place right now.
That's a huge if. And I guess the point is, Vick holds none of the cards here. If he's holding out for a QB job, then his options are limited to a handful of teams (a quarter of the league is 8 teams). And it's not like people are banging down his door - given his situation, those 8 teams might not consider him worth the risk. But if he's willing to expand his options, to think about signing as something more varied, then his opportunities really widen.
dirtdevil
May 21, 2009 at 06:47PM View BBCode
it is a huge if, which is why he's not going to get a big money deal. the thing with vick though, is that if there's any part of his game that's deteriorated, it's as likely to be his legs as anything. which pretty much kills his value anywhere other than qb. he always had a bad rap as a pocket passer, but it's not like he was ever playing with randy moss, either.
FuriousGiorge
May 21, 2009 at 07:02PM View BBCode
(If his legs have deteriorated, then he's censored . At that point, all of this becomes academic.)
tm4559
how old is vick? he is a fine athletic specimen, and i can't see why father time should have robbed him of anything at this point.
here is the thing. he is just like anyone who finishes a term in prison. he is either going to take up something illegal, or try to make it legally. most of the folks who leave prison find it very difficult to earn an honest living (that is a good living) because they have a record.
now, what does he know how to do? play football. is he going to pour concrete instead? maybe, i guess, if nobody will let him play football. but certainly, he could play, in the UFL, or Canada, or Europe, or wherever. anything would be better than mopping floors. he is unlikely, i think, to go try to make some money on a dogfighting ring, somebody might be watching out for that.
he might, for the sake of how much money it could return, be disinclined to go with a position other than QB, because those other positions might not have as long an earning stream with them. if he had to sign for the minimum at RB or Defensive back(or whatever) in the NFL, and take his chances with that, would that be more attractive than a better contract to play QB in nowhereville? that i don't know, only vick could say. i think he wants to get on with his life, make some money (we all want to do that, vick is no outlier). he probably sees football as the way to do that.
should he be barred from it? if you believe we should make it impossible for every other convicted felon to earn a living doing a legitmate thing they know how to do, but should instead either sell drugs or mop floors, you probably think the NFL and every other football organization in the world should blackball him. because he hurt dogs. and dogs are just the most important thing, ever.
May 21, 2009 at 07:23PM View BBCode
did staubach's legs deteriorate to the point of unusability while he was in the navy?how old is vick? he is a fine athletic specimen, and i can't see why father time should have robbed him of anything at this point.
here is the thing. he is just like anyone who finishes a term in prison. he is either going to take up something illegal, or try to make it legally. most of the folks who leave prison find it very difficult to earn an honest living (that is a good living) because they have a record.
now, what does he know how to do? play football. is he going to pour concrete instead? maybe, i guess, if nobody will let him play football. but certainly, he could play, in the UFL, or Canada, or Europe, or wherever. anything would be better than mopping floors. he is unlikely, i think, to go try to make some money on a dogfighting ring, somebody might be watching out for that.
he might, for the sake of how much money it could return, be disinclined to go with a position other than QB, because those other positions might not have as long an earning stream with them. if he had to sign for the minimum at RB or Defensive back(or whatever) in the NFL, and take his chances with that, would that be more attractive than a better contract to play QB in nowhereville? that i don't know, only vick could say. i think he wants to get on with his life, make some money (we all want to do that, vick is no outlier). he probably sees football as the way to do that.
should he be barred from it? if you believe we should make it impossible for every other convicted felon to earn a living doing a legitmate thing they know how to do, but should instead either sell drugs or mop floors, you probably think the NFL and every other football organization in the world should blackball him. because he hurt dogs. and dogs are just the most important thing, ever.
FuriousGiorge
May 21, 2009 at 07:39PM View BBCode
Has anyone suggested that he shouldn't be allowed to attempt to make a comeback in the NFL?