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cubfan531
It's finally over.
June 03, 2010 at 12:47AM View formatted
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[url=http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100602&content_id=10725878&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb]Griffey finally called it a career.[/url]
Jon
June 03, 2010 at 01:42AM View BBCode
Thanks for the memories, Kid. Shame it had to end like this.
shep1582
Many guys know when to walk away, but I will kinda agree with you, it USUALLY ends like that.
June 03, 2010 at 05:34AM View BBCode
It didn't for Staubach. He went out while he still had something in the tank.Many guys know when to walk away, but I will kinda agree with you, it USUALLY ends like that.
cubfan531
June 03, 2010 at 07:38AM View BBCode
David Segui, who was on last year's HOF ballot, I saw him playing independent league ball a couple years back. They don't want to give up, which, I mean, I understand a love of the game and all, but, really, there's also a line of gracefulness that they tend to go way beyond.
khazim
June 03, 2010 at 12:59PM View BBCode
Trust me, Junior is leaving at the right time. He hasn't stuck around way past the point where he was effective like Rickey Henderson.
FuriousGiorge
Well, let's not compare unlike things, Shepperella. When Staubach retired, a winged chariot pulled by 16 pegasi descended from heaven to collect him. But Roger told them no thank you, there's still work to be done here, at which point he proceeded to fly around the world collecting every country's nuclear arsenal and then chucked them into the sun.
June 03, 2010 at 03:15PM View BBCode
Originally posted by shep1582
It didn't for Staubach. He went out while he still had something in the tank.
Many guys know when to walk away, but I will kinda agree with you, it USUALLY ends like that.
Well, let's not compare unlike things, Shepperella. When Staubach retired, a winged chariot pulled by 16 pegasi descended from heaven to collect him. But Roger told them no thank you, there's still work to be done here, at which point he proceeded to fly around the world collecting every country's nuclear arsenal and then chucked them into the sun.
Tyles
June 03, 2010 at 03:20PM View BBCode
(Psst ... Christians love the bomb, Craig. It's our best shot at rapture.)
tm4559
June 03, 2010 at 03:20PM View BBCode
damn. why doesn't he go ahead and fix that oil spill thing? too busy with the rubber chicken circuit? for the kids? come on.
shep1582
He was a tremendous player, and they should start a HOF for him that doesn't include Jim Rice. Then they could add Biggio and Bagwell to it when the time comes...
June 03, 2010 at 04:37PM View BBCode
I don't blame Jr for taking the kind of $$$ they're throwing around. And besides, you don't know exactly when it's time until you see you can't produce anymore. Players get off to rough starts all the time.He was a tremendous player, and they should start a HOF for him that doesn't include Jim Rice. Then they could add Biggio and Bagwell to it when the time comes...
Tyles
June 03, 2010 at 04:42PM View BBCode
The distance between Griffey and Biggio/Bagwell is the distance between -- How can I frame this so you'll understand? -- Roger Staubach and Jim Hart.
dirtdevil
uh, have you seen his stat line?
June 03, 2010 at 06:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
Trust me, Junior is leaving at the right time. He hasn't stuck around way past the point where he was effective like Rickey Henderson.
uh, have you seen his stat line?
tm4559
June 03, 2010 at 07:50PM View BBCode
obviously, you missed the part where we don't give a damn about his stat line. derek.
khazim
I have; it's terrible. HORRIBLE. Like "go back to AA ball" horrible. Henderson kept coming back for YEARS after he was effective because he could still swipe bags.
June 03, 2010 at 08:19PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by khazim
Trust me, Junior is leaving at the right time. He hasn't stuck around way past the point where he was effective like Rickey Henderson.
uh, have you seen his stat line?
I have; it's terrible. HORRIBLE. Like "go back to AA ball" horrible. Henderson kept coming back for YEARS after he was effective because he could still swipe bags.
Tyles
That's kind of an important point, though, right? He could still do something well, even if the rest of his numbers didn't add up. And in all those twilight years, Rickey never came close to Griffey's 28 OPS+ this year. Hell, Rickey OPS'ed 127 in his age 40 season, which is exactly where Griffey is/was now.
June 03, 2010 at 08:30PM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
because he could still swipe bags.
That's kind of an important point, though, right? He could still do something well, even if the rest of his numbers didn't add up. And in all those twilight years, Rickey never came close to Griffey's 28 OPS+ this year. Hell, Rickey OPS'ed 127 in his age 40 season, which is exactly where Griffey is/was now.
happy
(he couldnt just swipe bags, he could also still take the walk, he never forgot how to do that. Even had a .369 OBP in his 2nd to last season, not too terrible. But INCREDIBLY terrible for a corner outfielder)
June 03, 2010 at 08:39PM View BBCode
Which would be great, but Rickey didnt retire at age 40. He played until age 44, where he went .208/.321/.306.(he couldnt just swipe bags, he could also still take the walk, he never forgot how to do that. Even had a .369 OBP in his 2nd to last season, not too terrible. But INCREDIBLY terrible for a corner outfielder)
Tyles
June 03, 2010 at 08:42PM View BBCode
But that's kind of my point, happy -- Rickey played four years beyond Griffey's current age, and never came close to the crushing ineptitude of Griffey's age 40 season. (Or maybe you're agreeing with me and I just can't tell/am not used to it.)
BKCUBS13
June 03, 2010 at 09:25PM View BBCode
I kinda wish Griffey could have palyed one more game after announcing his retirement. Just so the fans could have given him a standing O and he could do something like run around the stadium, Ripken-esque.
shep1582
Staubach and Bradshaw would be a better analogy.
Bags and Bigg were great players, Hart was a good player.
Griffey was a better player, but the Astro twins are legit HOFers, your personal bias and mancrush on Jim Hart not withstanding.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/griffke02.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bagweje01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/biggicr01.shtml
June 03, 2010 at 10:00PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Tyles
The distance between Griffey and Biggio/Bagwell is the distance between -- How can I frame this so you'll understand? -- Roger Staubach and Jim Hart.
Staubach and Bradshaw would be a better analogy.
Bags and Bigg were great players, Hart was a good player.
Griffey was a better player, but the Astro twins are legit HOFers, your personal bias and mancrush on Jim Hart not withstanding.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/griffke02.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bagweje01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/biggicr01.shtml
shep1582
like allowing people to have their own opinions. giorge thinks that's weird. we should all ask him what to think, then he would be content, once we've conformed to his enlightened intellectual paradigm.
June 04, 2010 at 06:16AM View BBCode
anything giorge isn't in favor of is weird.like allowing people to have their own opinions. giorge thinks that's weird. we should all ask him what to think, then he would be content, once we've conformed to his enlightened intellectual paradigm.
FuriousGiorge
June 04, 2010 at 03:22PM View BBCode
Remember when you used to post in our league, and then you stopped, because the big boys made fun of you?
happy
June 04, 2010 at 03:30PM View BBCode
id say henderson age 44 is equivalent to griffey age 40. Both played to the point that they were completely useless.Pages: 1 2