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timothy6660
Automatic waivers
January 12, 2014 at 02:25PM View formatted
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I accidentally waived Brian Carr, Garth Budrewicz, Sammy Allen, Tony Cromwell, Scott Palmer, Ali Moog, Paul Edwards, Dana Asbury, Dick Taffoni, Duffy Maples, Robert Elias, Bill Anderson, Scott Charpier, Leonard Long, and Gerald Christie.
Hodor
Either just get rid of the whole waiver wire system or let the waived players remain available for whoever claims them.
Don't worry, I won't claim them, and I'm ok if this is the way you like the league, but seriously this doesn't make any sense to me.
Cheers.
January 12, 2014 at 02:37PM View BBCode
Sorry, but this is ridiculous.Either just get rid of the whole waiver wire system or let the waived players remain available for whoever claims them.
Don't worry, I won't claim them, and I'm ok if this is the way you like the league, but seriously this doesn't make any sense to me.
Cheers.
RichNYC1
Exactly, this is ridiculous. The agreement we have protects an owner if he MISTAKENLY waives a player while making a transaction. It is specifically in place to be used on rare occasions when someone has made an honest mistake, as it is in virtually all leagues.
This case is not an honest mistake. This is a case where the owner just doesnt follow rules that are clearly posted at the top of the roster page.
You have a total of XX players on your roster. Although you may have up to 80 players at the beginning of the preseason, you must bring your roster down to 65 by preseason week 3 and down to 53 before the first regular season game starts or you risk having players automatically waived.
By not following these clearly stated rules Portland is destroying the integrity of the waiver system by causing players to be reallocated 1 day AFTER they should have been available to others teams. This hasnt happened with 1 player, its happened with dozens players who technically should be available to other teams.
Additionally, any team that trades a player back to Portland without compensation loses its spot in the waiver line and is placed last, greatly reducing their ability to sign other players. So PHX, who did Portland a favor yesterday by trading back a player for nothing is now behind Portland in the waiver line. Thatīs not right.
I have the first spot in line and it looks like other teams have made claims as well. If these guys weren't on the waiver wire other players would be. I have always been one of the first to say guys should get a do over on a mistake but this is 3 days in a row and it was not an accident. Timothy has been here for long enough to know the rules and he and all owners are expected to follow them.
Portland is still currently 1 player over the limit and he wants 15 more players back? Thats makes 16 players who should currently be available to other teams who are not. Sorry but that doesnt work for me and it shouldnt for the 14 teams ahead of Portland either. I think this case if he wants them back compensation should be paid. Im interested to hear from other owners.
January 12, 2014 at 05:33PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Hodor
Sorry, but this is ridiculous.
Either just get rid of the whole waiver wire system or let the waived players remain available for whoever claims them.
Don't worry, I won't claim them, and I'm ok if this is the way you like the league, but seriously this doesn't make any sense to me.
Cheers.
Exactly, this is ridiculous. The agreement we have protects an owner if he MISTAKENLY waives a player while making a transaction. It is specifically in place to be used on rare occasions when someone has made an honest mistake, as it is in virtually all leagues.
This case is not an honest mistake. This is a case where the owner just doesnt follow rules that are clearly posted at the top of the roster page.
You have a total of XX players on your roster. Although you may have up to 80 players at the beginning of the preseason, you must bring your roster down to 65 by preseason week 3 and down to 53 before the first regular season game starts or you risk having players automatically waived.
By not following these clearly stated rules Portland is destroying the integrity of the waiver system by causing players to be reallocated 1 day AFTER they should have been available to others teams. This hasnt happened with 1 player, its happened with dozens players who technically should be available to other teams.
Additionally, any team that trades a player back to Portland without compensation loses its spot in the waiver line and is placed last, greatly reducing their ability to sign other players. So PHX, who did Portland a favor yesterday by trading back a player for nothing is now behind Portland in the waiver line. Thatīs not right.
I have the first spot in line and it looks like other teams have made claims as well. If these guys weren't on the waiver wire other players would be. I have always been one of the first to say guys should get a do over on a mistake but this is 3 days in a row and it was not an accident. Timothy has been here for long enough to know the rules and he and all owners are expected to follow them.
Portland is still currently 1 player over the limit and he wants 15 more players back? Thats makes 16 players who should currently be available to other teams who are not. Sorry but that doesnt work for me and it shouldnt for the 14 teams ahead of Portland either. I think this case if he wants them back compensation should be paid. Im interested to hear from other owners.
jerryscoins
January 12, 2014 at 07:25PM View BBCode
I totally agree with you Rich. I put in several claims and am not going to give the players I get back to him for free. If he wants any that I may get he can pay me for them. :puzzled:
Neboguy
Tim,
I'm not sure if you are aware, but your rediculous roster size is the reason the TDFL draft has not run correctly the last 3 years. I'm not sure what your strategy is here? Are you worried about your starters getting injuries in the pre-season? If so, there are other ways to get around that, and in the real NFL, you dont see teams inactivating almost their entire roster in the preseason.
I'm sorry, but im going to have to let the waivers ride how they are currently. If you want your players back, you're going to have to work it out with whoever claims ur players. You got two free passes already this year, and like i've said before if you dont have time to manage your team and make the appropriate cuts, the TDFL still goes on.
I'd also suggest trying a new strategy next preseason so you dont put your team and players at risk next year.
Thanks,
J. Nebo
January 12, 2014 at 07:49PM View BBCode
I"m going to have to agree. This is 3rd day in a row and it is getting rediculous. I don't believe this was a mistake either.Tim,
I'm not sure if you are aware, but your rediculous roster size is the reason the TDFL draft has not run correctly the last 3 years. I'm not sure what your strategy is here? Are you worried about your starters getting injuries in the pre-season? If so, there are other ways to get around that, and in the real NFL, you dont see teams inactivating almost their entire roster in the preseason.
I'm sorry, but im going to have to let the waivers ride how they are currently. If you want your players back, you're going to have to work it out with whoever claims ur players. You got two free passes already this year, and like i've said before if you dont have time to manage your team and make the appropriate cuts, the TDFL still goes on.
I'd also suggest trying a new strategy next preseason so you dont put your team and players at risk next year.
Thanks,
J. Nebo
Hodor
Anyway, at least it was worthy. I really enjoy browsing the Waiver Wire and it really annoyed me thinking that this was (and it'd continue to be) common practice in the TDFL.
January 12, 2014 at 08:31PM View BBCode
damn... now I wish I hadn't give up on Lee George that easily.Anyway, at least it was worthy. I really enjoy browsing the Waiver Wire and it really annoyed me thinking that this was (and it'd continue to be) common practice in the TDFL.
timothy6660
January 12, 2014 at 08:57PM View BBCode
You don't just randomly change rules out of nowhere, the rule in place states that if you put in a claim on players you have accidentally waived then you get them back. Change the rule but do so in a way that gives everybody the same rules. I have not broken any rules and if you penalize someone who is within the rules then you shouldn't be commissioner!
timothy6660
Roster size
January 12, 2014 at 09:03PM View BBCode
There is no rule regarding roster size during the preseason except for the 80 man and 65 man rule. If there is a problem with what has happened in the past then change the rules. My strategy is mine and not subject to your whims or orders!
timothy6660
This is not the third day in a row and you are wrong that this was not an accident, I did not manually waive these players ABE did and as such the waivers were arbitrary and so mistakes that I would not have made had I been available to make the cuts.
January 12, 2014 at 09:20PM View BBCode
This is 3rd day in a row and it is getting rediculous. I don't believe this was a mistake either.This is not the third day in a row and you are wrong that this was not an accident, I did not manually waive these players ABE did and as such the waivers were arbitrary and so mistakes that I would not have made had I been available to make the cuts.
timothy6660
January 12, 2014 at 09:23PM View BBCode
If you keep those players you are the ones breaking the rules and you can take your arbitrary and flawed game and shove it!
Neboguy
Also,
I never saw a post as to why this happened, so i'll just have to chalk to it up to you neglecting the message stating after week 3, your roster needs to be cut down to 65.
I'm not changing to rules, im making an example out of you because you are exploiting the rules. I saw at least 3 different posts stating you accidentally waived your players, but in the News, it states your players were automatically waived. Two different things here.
It is what is is.
January 12, 2014 at 09:44PM View BBCode
Accidentally waived players means you accidentally waived them. ABE waived your players because you didnt comply with the roster size rules, so it wasnt an accident.Also,
I never saw a post as to why this happened, so i'll just have to chalk to it up to you neglecting the message stating after week 3, your roster needs to be cut down to 65.
I'm not changing to rules, im making an example out of you because you are exploiting the rules. I saw at least 3 different posts stating you accidentally waived your players, but in the News, it states your players were automatically waived. Two different things here.
It is what is is.
Neboguy
Also,
I never saw a post as to why this happened, so i'll just have to chalk to it up to you neglecting the message stating after week 3, your roster needs to be cut down to 65.
I'm not changing to rules, im making an example out of you because you are exploiting the rules. I saw at least 3 different posts stating you accidentally waived your players, but in the News, it states your players were automatically waived. Two different things here.
It is what is is.
January 12, 2014 at 09:44PM View BBCode
Accidentally waived players means you accidentally waived them. ABE waived your players because you didnt comply with the roster size rules, so it wasnt an accident.Also,
I never saw a post as to why this happened, so i'll just have to chalk to it up to you neglecting the message stating after week 3, your roster needs to be cut down to 65.
I'm not changing to rules, im making an example out of you because you are exploiting the rules. I saw at least 3 different posts stating you accidentally waived your players, but in the News, it states your players were automatically waived. Two different things here.
It is what is is.
RichNYC1
Letīs try going a little slower....
This has nothing to do with the gentleman's agreement we have to send back a guy if he was cut due to an owner hitting the wrong button and not realizing it. Each time itīs happened (3 times I think) it was 1 guy, not 13 or 15, like with you. It certainly doesnt happen every day.
Secondly you didnt accidently waive those players they were auto-waived by because you didnt comply to the rules, big difference.
The rules are simple, when the limit is 80 and you go over that number the computer will waive players to get down to the limit before the next week. Then if you don't cut down to 65 before week three the same thing will happen. Thats not an accidental waive, its an auto-waive because you broke the rules.
January 12, 2014 at 10:16PM View BBCode
Originally posted by timothy6660
There is no rule regarding roster size during the preseason except for the 80 man and 65 man rule. If there is a problem with what has happened in the past then change the rules. My strategy is mine and not subject to your whims or orders!
Letīs try going a little slower....
This has nothing to do with the gentleman's agreement we have to send back a guy if he was cut due to an owner hitting the wrong button and not realizing it. Each time itīs happened (3 times I think) it was 1 guy, not 13 or 15, like with you. It certainly doesnt happen every day.
Secondly you didnt accidently waive those players they were auto-waived by because you didnt comply to the rules, big difference.
The rules are simple, when the limit is 80 and you go over that number the computer will waive players to get down to the limit before the next week. Then if you don't cut down to 65 before week three the same thing will happen. Thats not an accidental waive, its an auto-waive because you broke the rules.
brokehiselbows
January 12, 2014 at 10:28PM View BBCode
Here's my two cents worth: It's pretty clear that an auto-waiver is NOT the same as an accidental waiver. The roster page clearly states the rules at the top concerning the number of players an owner may have at any particular time. I'm a newbie at this game, and I haven't had any problem whatsoever understanding this. If your team is over the limit after the deadline, the players are automatically waived. It's not rocket science, it's the rules.
jerryscoins
[Edited on 1-12-2014 by jerryscoins]
January 12, 2014 at 11:06PM View BBCode
The rules are the rules. This league seemed to run pretty good before tim showed up. Think it will run fine if he leaves because he can't follow rules. He is 15 players over limit right now.[Edited on 1-12-2014 by jerryscoins]
RichNYC1
Thats too funny. Does he not realize that 15 more will be waived when the first quarter runs tomorrow? Its gonna be very funny when it the system waives a really good player.
January 13, 2014 at 12:03AM View BBCode
Originally posted by jerryscoins
The rules are the rules. This league seemed to run pretty good before tim showed up. Think it will run fine if he leaves because he can't follow rules. He is 15 players over limit right now.
[Edited on 1-12-2014 by jerryscoins]
Thats too funny. Does he not realize that 15 more will be waived when the first quarter runs tomorrow? Its gonna be very funny when it the system waives a really good player.
timothy6660
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posted on 9-12-2013 at 03:25 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
New Rule on Accidentally Dropped Players
All,
To avoid future confusion and fiascoes, a new rule is being instituted for the TDFL.
1. Owners will have exactly 2 days (actual days, not league days/weeks) to post on the message board if players were auto-waived/or dropped from their team accidentally. Owners will be required to post the actual first and last names of the players they wish to go back on their team.
I understand that emergencies come up and people go on vacation, but the truth is, the TDFL still moves on while all of this is happening.
This is the rule, "to avoid future confusion" What is confusing about that. As far as I can see this league is about finding advantages and exploiting them, take the example of Buffalo waiving Smithsonian before the playoffs last season. That was a blatant attempt to circumvent the trade deadline rule and help out the Phoenix team who had lost their quarterback to injury the week before. What other reason would the buffalo team have to get rid of their quarterback at the end of the season? There are many examples of teams taking advantage of rules and using them to their advantage. What are you afraid of, a little competition. If you can't deal with an owner who pays attention to the game and uses every advantage to get better, then I say you are cowards!
January 13, 2014 at 02:43PM View BBCode
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posted on 9-12-2013 at 03:25 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
New Rule on Accidentally Dropped Players
All,
To avoid future confusion and fiascoes, a new rule is being instituted for the TDFL.
1. Owners will have exactly 2 days (actual days, not league days/weeks) to post on the message board if players were auto-waived/or dropped from their team accidentally. Owners will be required to post the actual first and last names of the players they wish to go back on their team.
I understand that emergencies come up and people go on vacation, but the truth is, the TDFL still moves on while all of this is happening.
This is the rule, "to avoid future confusion" What is confusing about that. As far as I can see this league is about finding advantages and exploiting them, take the example of Buffalo waiving Smithsonian before the playoffs last season. That was a blatant attempt to circumvent the trade deadline rule and help out the Phoenix team who had lost their quarterback to injury the week before. What other reason would the buffalo team have to get rid of their quarterback at the end of the season? There are many examples of teams taking advantage of rules and using them to their advantage. What are you afraid of, a little competition. If you can't deal with an owner who pays attention to the game and uses every advantage to get better, then I say you are cowards!
Hodor
Either it wasn't accidentally or you weren't paying attention to the game.
January 13, 2014 at 02:50PM View BBCode
Originally posted by timothy6660(...)
1. Owners will have exactly 2 days (actual days, not league days/weeks) to post on the message board if players were auto-waived/or dropped from their team accidentally. Owners will be required to post the actual first and last names of the players they wish to go back on their team.
I understand that emergencies come up and people go on vacation, but the truth is, the TDFL still moves on while all of this is happening.
This is the rule, "to avoid future confusion" What is confusing about that.
(...)
What are you afraid of, a little competition. If you can't deal with an owner who pays attention to the game and uses every advantage to get better, then I say you are cowards!
Originally posted by RichNYC1
(...)
You have a total of XX players on your roster. Although you may have up to 80 players at the beginning of the preseason, you must bring your roster down to 65 by preseason week 3 and down to 53 before the first regular season game starts or you risk having players automatically waived.
(...)
Either it wasn't accidentally or you weren't paying attention to the game.
timothy6660
January 13, 2014 at 03:42PM View BBCode
Prove it! Webster's Dictionary definition of accidental: Arising from extrinsic causes: incidental, nonessential. Abe is an extrinsic cause, it is incidental occurring only during the preseason, and it was definitely nonessential. Therefor it was accidental. Choke on it, coward!
Hodor
There it is in the rules.
You know that if you have more than 80 players (ps1, ps2) or 65 (ps3, ps4) or 53 (reg season), your players will be waived.
You knew it and you, on purpose, broke that rule in order to gain advantage in the game.
If you did it on purpose you didn't do it "accidentally"
And there's no need to prove that, with all that you're posting, you're just Coloneljessep'ing yourself.
Cheers and good luck, brave man.
January 13, 2014 at 04:17PM View BBCode
Originally posted by timothy6660
Prove it! Webster's Dictionary definition of accidental: Arising from extrinsic causes: incidental, nonessential. Abe is an extrinsic cause, it is incidental occurring only during the preseason, and it was definitely nonessential. Therefor it was accidental. Choke on it, coward!
You have a total of XX players on your roster. Although you may have up to 80 players at the beginning of the preseason, you must bring your roster down to 65 by preseason week 3 and down to 53 before the first regular season game starts or you risk having players automatically waived.
There it is in the rules.
You know that if you have more than 80 players (ps1, ps2) or 65 (ps3, ps4) or 53 (reg season), your players will be waived.
You knew it and you, on purpose, broke that rule in order to gain advantage in the game.
If you did it on purpose you didn't do it "accidentally"
And there's no need to prove that, with all that you're posting, you're just Coloneljessep'ing yourself.
There are many examples of teams taking advantage of rules and using them to their advantage. What are you afraid of, a little competition. If you can't deal with an owner who pays attention to the game and uses every advantage to get better, then I say you are cowards!
Cheers and good luck, brave man.
Hodor
(not that it matters, I just thoughtthat you might want to know that).
January 13, 2014 at 04:21PM View BBCode
BTW, in Football, it's AFE, not ABE.(not that it matters, I just thoughtthat you might want to know that).
timothy6660
[Edited on 1-14-2014 by Admin]
January 13, 2014 at 04:27PM View BBCode
(Personal attack removed by Admin)[Edited on 1-14-2014 by Admin]
Neboguy
January 13, 2014 at 04:52PM View BBCode
Teams use the waiver wire to make trades in MLB, NFL, and NBA all the time after the trade deadline, so I think you may need to find another example . . .
Hodor
[url]http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=377062[/url]
January 13, 2014 at 04:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by RichNYC1
Originally posted by jerryscoins(...) He is 15 players over limit right now.
[Edited on 1-12-2014 by jerryscoins]
Thats too funny. Does he not realize that 15 more will be waived when the first quarter runs tomorrow? Its gonna be very funny when it the system waives a really good player.
[url]http://www.simdynasty.com/oldforum-viewthread.jsp?tid=377062[/url]
Neboguy
If you were paying attention to the game, you wouldn't have had your team auto waived 4 days in a row! LOL
January 13, 2014 at 04:53PM View BBCode
Originally posted by timothy6660
= What are you afraid of, a little competition. If you can't deal with an owner who pays attention to the game and uses every advantage to get better, then I say you are cowards!
If you were paying attention to the game, you wouldn't have had your team auto waived 4 days in a row! LOL
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