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bahstonwedsawks
Seeking 5 CPs for Next Season
March 06, 2015 at 12:16AM View BBCode
Any and all offers considered. Thanks, Mark (Montreal)
Roaddog
Keep your coaching points. Nothing he will give you is more valuable than 5 CP. Time for people in this league to get serious about their teams and stop being enablers. If you don't have confidence drafting, get help from the board. I have never understood how anyone can have excess coach points.
Keep your coach points.
March 06, 2015 at 02:11AM View BBCode
The team with a record of 113-34 needs help next season coaching his youngsters. Really? We sure would not want him to ever have to rebuild now, would we?Keep your coaching points. Nothing he will give you is more valuable than 5 CP. Time for people in this league to get serious about their teams and stop being enablers. If you don't have confidence drafting, get help from the board. I have never understood how anyone can have excess coach points.
bahstonwedsawks
So, if an owner has 1 good prospect with 5 CP's, and will otherwise let the other 15 CP's go to waste, then trading some of those CP's for a decent prospect, good veteran, etc. won't help him? That makes no sense. Value is determined by needs, supply, and demand. To make a blanket statement like you did dismisses all of that.
March 06, 2015 at 02:20AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Roaddog
Keep your coaching points. Nothing he will give you is more valuable than 5 CP.
So, if an owner has 1 good prospect with 5 CP's, and will otherwise let the other 15 CP's go to waste, then trading some of those CP's for a decent prospect, good veteran, etc. won't help him? That makes no sense. Value is determined by needs, supply, and demand. To make a blanket statement like you did dismisses all of that.
spinelli1234
I know people do it and that's fine, there's no rule against it, i just dont get it
March 06, 2015 at 02:29AM View BBCode
this game is supposed to be based on reality. When do the Yankees help train Red Sox players? Or the Giants and Dodgers?I know people do it and that's fine, there's no rule against it, i just dont get it
Roaddog
15 coaching points available with no prospect to use them on? OK, maybe in this league I could believe it. The point is, get some damn prospects! Learn how to draft and use your coach points! Giving your coach points to the best team in the history of the league is just stupid. There are always better options than helping the rich get richer while you eat table scraps.
March 06, 2015 at 02:35AM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by Roaddog
Keep your coaching points. Nothing he will give you is more valuable than 5 CP.
So, if an owner has 1 good prospect with 5 CP's, and will otherwise let the other 15 CP's go to waste, then trading some of those CP's for a decent prospect, good veteran, etc. won't help him? That makes no sense. Value is determined by needs, supply, and demand. To make a blanket statement like you did dismisses all of that.
15 coaching points available with no prospect to use them on? OK, maybe in this league I could believe it. The point is, get some damn prospects! Learn how to draft and use your coach points! Giving your coach points to the best team in the history of the league is just stupid. There are always better options than helping the rich get richer while you eat table scraps.
bahstonwedsawks
Giving coaching points wouldn't make sense (as in for free), but trading them for equal or greater value would make sense. Not everybody has 3 studs in their minors... just the way it works. If an owner doesn't have 3 studs in their minors it makes sense to trade away CP's. Otherwise, the owner is just wasting them. Wasting resources isn't the way to improve a team, maximizing the value of the resources is the way to do it.
March 06, 2015 at 02:39AM View BBCode
Originally posted by RoaddogGiving your coach points to the best team in the history of the league is just stupid. There are always better options than helping the rich get richer while you eat table scraps.
Giving coaching points wouldn't make sense (as in for free), but trading them for equal or greater value would make sense. Not everybody has 3 studs in their minors... just the way it works. If an owner doesn't have 3 studs in their minors it makes sense to trade away CP's. Otherwise, the owner is just wasting them. Wasting resources isn't the way to improve a team, maximizing the value of the resources is the way to do it.
Roaddog
Mark,
Supply and demand? I know you come from a business background. This is not like real baseball, which is a business. This is just about winning. What good does it do to make your team a little better, while making your competition a lot better? That is my point. So what if you get a lousy 2nd round pick, or some aging veteran that will be bad next year, while the team you are trying to beat gets to develop an extra player. That, makes no sense to me.
Part of the problem is, most owners willing to give up CP don't understand the value of them. Or, they don't value them enough because they don't know what to do with them. Giving them away is like punting on 1st down.
March 06, 2015 at 03:00AM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by Roaddog
Keep your coaching points. Nothing he will give you is more valuable than 5 CP.
So, if an owner has 1 good prospect with 5 CP's, and will otherwise let the other 15 CP's go to waste, then trading some of those CP's for a decent prospect, good veteran, etc. won't help him? That makes no sense. Value is determined by needs, supply, and demand. To make a blanket statement like you did dismisses all of that.
Mark,
Supply and demand? I know you come from a business background. This is not like real baseball, which is a business. This is just about winning. What good does it do to make your team a little better, while making your competition a lot better? That is my point. So what if you get a lousy 2nd round pick, or some aging veteran that will be bad next year, while the team you are trying to beat gets to develop an extra player. That, makes no sense to me.
Part of the problem is, most owners willing to give up CP don't understand the value of them. Or, they don't value them enough because they don't know what to do with them. Giving them away is like punting on 1st down.
Roaddog
You don't have to put all CP on studs, just on players that will make your team better. Better to make your team better than someone else's.
And when did you ever give equal or greater value for anything? I think we have already determined that it has never happened. Probably never will.
March 06, 2015 at 03:07AM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by RoaddogGiving your coach points to the best team in the history of the league is just stupid. There are always better options than helping the rich get richer while you eat table scraps.
Giving coaching points wouldn't make sense (as in for free), but trading them for equal or greater value would make sense. Not everybody has 3 studs in their minors... just the way it works. If an owner doesn't have 3 studs in their minors it makes sense to trade away CP's. Otherwise, the owner is just wasting them. Wasting resources isn't the way to improve a team, maximizing the value of the resources is the way to do it.
You don't have to put all CP on studs, just on players that will make your team better. Better to make your team better than someone else's.
And when did you ever give equal or greater value for anything? I think we have already determined that it has never happened. Probably never will.
bahstonwedsawks
Yes, supply and demand. If somebody has 5 CPs they don't need (surplus) and the demand (trade offer) is strong enough, then a deal can be struck.
How would a 32 year old A- overall or B+ overall but with A+ power-hitting veteran be bad the following year? You're assuming I would only trade OS 34 guys, which is not the case.
March 06, 2015 at 03:09AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Roaddog
Mark,
Supply and demand? I know you come from a business background. This is not like real baseball, which is a business. This is just about winning.
Yes, supply and demand. If somebody has 5 CPs they don't need (surplus) and the demand (trade offer) is strong enough, then a deal can be struck.
Originally posted by Roaddog What good does it do to make your team a little better, while making your competition a lot better? That is my point. So what if you get a lousy 2nd round pick, or some aging veteran that will be bad next year, while the team you are trying to beat gets to develop an extra player. That, makes no sense to me.
How would a 32 year old A- overall or B+ overall but with A+ power-hitting veteran be bad the following year? You're assuming I would only trade OS 34 guys, which is not the case.
bahstonwedsawks
So, you're arguing that I've taken advantage of every single trade I've ever made, yet only 2 of the 100+ trades I've made in this league even had 1 owner protest. Makes sense. :rolleyes:
March 06, 2015 at 03:16AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Roaddog
And when did you ever give equal or greater value for anything? I think we have already determined that it has never happened. Probably never will.
So, you're arguing that I've taken advantage of every single trade I've ever made, yet only 2 of the 100+ trades I've made in this league even had 1 owner protest. Makes sense. :rolleyes:
bahstonwedsawks
Let's put your theory into practice. I traded 2 first-round picks for reliever Wally Curveball. You claim that's not equal value. What is equal... 3 first-round picks? If you think that's equal value then make an offer sending me 3 first-round picks for him. Otherwise, you're admitting that 2 first-rounders for Curveball is either equal value or I overpaid, both of which would refute your claim.
March 06, 2015 at 03:21AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Roaddog
And when did you ever give equal or greater value for anything? I think we have already determined that it has never happened. Probably never will.
Let's put your theory into practice. I traded 2 first-round picks for reliever Wally Curveball. You claim that's not equal value. What is equal... 3 first-round picks? If you think that's equal value then make an offer sending me 3 first-round picks for him. Otherwise, you're admitting that 2 first-rounders for Curveball is either equal value or I overpaid, both of which would refute your claim.
Roaddog
Having 5 CP as surplus should not happen in this format. We have a minor league system that is really just 3-4 players, and you are talking surplus? Most of the owners trading away CP, at least in this league, need CP (and yes, prospects to put them on). No, I think what we are talking about here is you taking advantage of the clueless once again.
OK, granted you have traded younger players than OS 34. But, if you were a team trying to overtake a perennial champion, and one that looks to remain so for awhile, would you trade CP for a 32 yo? Is a 32 yo A- overall really going to matter? Or would developing a prospect that could help you when you have a realistic chance to compete a better choice?
March 06, 2015 at 03:27AM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by Roaddog
Mark,
Supply and demand? I know you come from a business background. This is not like real baseball, which is a business. This is just about winning.
Yes, supply and demand. If somebody has 5 CPs they don't need (surplus) and the demand (trade offer) is strong enough, then a deal can be struck.
Originally posted by Roaddog What good does it do to make your team a little better, while making your competition a lot better? That is my point. So what if you get a lousy 2nd round pick, or some aging veteran that will be bad next year, while the team you are trying to beat gets to develop an extra player. That, makes no sense to me.
How would a 32 year old A- overall or B+ overall but with A+ power-hitting veteran be bad the following year? You're assuming I would only trade OS 34 guys, which is not the case.
Having 5 CP as surplus should not happen in this format. We have a minor league system that is really just 3-4 players, and you are talking surplus? Most of the owners trading away CP, at least in this league, need CP (and yes, prospects to put them on). No, I think what we are talking about here is you taking advantage of the clueless once again.
OK, granted you have traded younger players than OS 34. But, if you were a team trying to overtake a perennial champion, and one that looks to remain so for awhile, would you trade CP for a 32 yo? Is a 32 yo A- overall really going to matter? Or would developing a prospect that could help you when you have a realistic chance to compete a better choice?
Roaddog
I would be ashamed of having one trade being overturned. You probably have the league all time record.
March 06, 2015 at 03:35AM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by Roaddog
And when did you ever give equal or greater value for anything? I think we have already determined that it has never happened. Probably never will.
So, you're arguing that I've taken advantage of every single trade I've ever made, yet only 2 of the 100+ trades I've made in this league even had 1 owner protest. Makes sense. :rolleyes:
I would be ashamed of having one trade being overturned. You probably have the league all time record.
bahstonwedsawks
Dave, how can you make a blanket statement that the other owners need their CPs (implying their CP management is poor) when YOU have a 5 CP surplus (Barney Long will never be more than an average player even if fully developed).
"taking advantage of the clueless" you say... that's not just mildly offensive to many veteran owners in this league, some of which have better owner cards than you yet you call them "clueless."
So I've only made CP trades with teams that aren't competing. That's what you're saying. Just as one example, I guess you think KC had no chance at competing the past few seasons (years in which we've made CP trades)? He was 4 games out of the playoffs last year and was in the World Series the year before.
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by bahstonwedsawks]
March 06, 2015 at 03:37AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Roaddog
Having 5 CP as surplus should not happen in this format. We have a minor league system that is really just 3-4 players, and you are talking surplus? Most of the owners trading away CP, at least in this league, need CP (and yes, prospects to put them on). No, I think what we are talking about here is you taking advantage of the clueless once again.
Dave, how can you make a blanket statement that the other owners need their CPs (implying their CP management is poor) when YOU have a 5 CP surplus (Barney Long will never be more than an average player even if fully developed).
"taking advantage of the clueless" you say... that's not just mildly offensive to many veteran owners in this league, some of which have better owner cards than you yet you call them "clueless."
Originally posted by Roaddog
OK, granted you have traded younger players than OS 34. But, if you were a team trying to overtake a perennial champion, and one that looks to remain so for awhile, would you trade CP for a 32 yo? Is a 32 yo A- overall really going to matter? Or would developing a prospect that could help you when you have a realistic chance to compete a better choice?
So I've only made CP trades with teams that aren't competing. That's what you're saying. Just as one example, I guess you think KC had no chance at competing the past few seasons (years in which we've made CP trades)? He was 4 games out of the playoffs last year and was in the World Series the year before.
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by bahstonwedsawks]
bahstonwedsawks
There's no doubt I have the all time record. When your trade volume is probably 10-fold of anybody else that'll happen.
March 06, 2015 at 03:41AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Roaddog
I would be ashamed of having one trade being overturned. You probably have the league all time record.
There's no doubt I have the all time record. When your trade volume is probably 10-fold of anybody else that'll happen.
Roaddog
Yeah, Barney will just be average, I admit that. Should be a good SS, but he will never hit. But at least I am using my CP on players I will use, and not developing someone else's players. Actually, I have done pretty well developing average players. And, I know I could improve my owner card by getting other owners to develop my players, but to me that just would not be fun (or realistic). Yeah, the point of the game is winning, but I won't do it at any cost.
March 06, 2015 at 03:51AM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by Roaddog
Having 5 CP as surplus should not happen in this format. We have a minor league system that is really just 3-4 players, and you are talking surplus? Most of the owners trading away CP, at least in this league, need CP (and yes, prospects to put them on). No, I think what we are talking about here is you taking advantage of the clueless once again.
Dave, how can you make a blanket statement that the other owners need their CPs (implying their CP management is poor) when YOU have a 5 CP surplus (Barney Long will never be more than an average player even if fully developed).
"taking advantage of the clueless" you say... that's not just mildly offensive to many veteran owners in this league, some of which have better owner cards than you yet you call them "clueless."
Originally posted by Roaddog
OK, granted you have traded younger players than OS 34. But, if you were a team trying to overtake a perennial champion, and one that looks to remain so for awhile, would you trade CP for a 32 yo? Is a 32 yo A- overall really going to matter? Or would developing a prospect that could help you when you have a realistic chance to compete a better choice?
So I've only made CP trades with teams that aren't competing. That's what you're saying. Just as one example, I guess you think KC had no chance at competing the past few seasons (years in which we've made CP trades)? He was 4 games out of the playoffs last year and was in the World Series the year before.
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by bahstonwedsawks]
Yeah, Barney will just be average, I admit that. Should be a good SS, but he will never hit. But at least I am using my CP on players I will use, and not developing someone else's players. Actually, I have done pretty well developing average players. And, I know I could improve my owner card by getting other owners to develop my players, but to me that just would not be fun (or realistic). Yeah, the point of the game is winning, but I won't do it at any cost.
Roaddog
I am done with this thread. Enough is enough.
Draft a Barney!
March 06, 2015 at 04:12AM View formatted
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Back to my original point. Keep your CP. Draft a Barney if you have to, but keep your CP. Don't do anything to make this guy's team any better. You will never beat him unless you stop helping him get younger and better.
I am done with this thread. Enough is enough.
bahstonwedsawks
Dave, it's funny how you completely ignored this post (how did I know you would?). And now you're "done with this thread"... a thread that you trolled in the first place.
March 06, 2015 at 04:16AM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by Roaddog
And when did you ever give equal or greater value for anything? I think we have already determined that it has never happened. Probably never will.
Let's put your theory into practice. I traded 2 first-round picks for reliever Wally Curveball. You claim that's not equal value. What is equal... 3 first-round picks? If you think that's equal value then make an offer sending me 3 first-round picks for him. Otherwise, you're admitting that 2 first-rounders for Curveball is either equal value or I overpaid, both of which would refute your claim.
Dave, it's funny how you completely ignored this post (how did I know you would?). And now you're "done with this thread"... a thread that you trolled in the first place.
Roaddog
OK, that's one out of about 12,000. You really got taken on that one!
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by Roaddog]
Now that's trolling.
March 06, 2015 at 04:35AM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
Originally posted by Roaddog
And when did you ever give equal or greater value for anything? I think we have already determined that it has never happened. Probably never will.
Let's put your theory into practice. I traded 2 first-round picks for reliever Wally Curveball. You claim that's not equal value. What is equal... 3 first-round picks? If you think that's equal value then make an offer sending me 3 first-round picks for him. Otherwise, you're admitting that 2 first-rounders for Curveball is either equal value or I overpaid, both of which would refute your claim.
Dave, it's funny how you completely ignored this post (how did I know you would?). And now you're "done with this thread"... a thread that you trolled in the first place.
OK, that's one out of about 12,000. You really got taken on that one!
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by Roaddog]
bahstonwedsawks
Another point that Roaddog didn't acknowledge. It's been proven I've made fair trades (so the "never offer equal value" claim is invalidated). It's been proven I've made CP trades with owners that are competing (so the "only trading with clueless owners" is invalidated). Any other baseless claims you want to make, Roaddog? Look, I'm aggressive in my trading and that upsets some owners. I get that. But don't make up false claims to try to add fuel to the fire of whatever point you're trying to make.
March 06, 2015 at 03:17PM View BBCode
Originally posted by bahstonwedsawks
So I've only made CP trades with teams that aren't competing? That's what you're saying. Just as one example, I guess you think KC had no chance at competing the past few seasons (years in which we've made CP trades)? He was 4 games out of the playoffs last year and was in the World Series the year before.
[Edited on 3-6-2015 by bahstonwedsawks]
Another point that Roaddog didn't acknowledge. It's been proven I've made fair trades (so the "never offer equal value" claim is invalidated). It's been proven I've made CP trades with owners that are competing (so the "only trading with clueless owners" is invalidated). Any other baseless claims you want to make, Roaddog? Look, I'm aggressive in my trading and that upsets some owners. I get that. But don't make up false claims to try to add fuel to the fire of whatever point you're trying to make.
pittstlrs
Anyways, my 2 cents, not that anybody asked...haha! He didn't get taken on the Wally Curveball trade. He gave up a playoff first and mid round first for a 26 OS red letter pitcher. Who has a chance to get to red letter control. Now a lot of us probably wouldn't of done that because we see him as a reliever. He doesn't, he sees him as a pitcher. From what I understand from posts by bahston, is that he doesn't care about the designation of starting pitchers or relievers. He doesn't use pitchers the way that the majority of us do, so he needs to pay what we perceive as more for what we also perceive as a relief pitcher. Does that make any sense? It does in my head but I may not be explaining it correctly. Ha!
I'm sure if I misunderstood his posts from before he will let me know. :lol:
March 06, 2015 at 03:56PM View BBCode
I don't know why I keep checking this league. I need that little emoticon where the guy is slamming his head against the computer. God help me.Anyways, my 2 cents, not that anybody asked...haha! He didn't get taken on the Wally Curveball trade. He gave up a playoff first and mid round first for a 26 OS red letter pitcher. Who has a chance to get to red letter control. Now a lot of us probably wouldn't of done that because we see him as a reliever. He doesn't, he sees him as a pitcher. From what I understand from posts by bahston, is that he doesn't care about the designation of starting pitchers or relievers. He doesn't use pitchers the way that the majority of us do, so he needs to pay what we perceive as more for what we also perceive as a relief pitcher. Does that make any sense? It does in my head but I may not be explaining it correctly. Ha!
I'm sure if I misunderstood his posts from before he will let me know. :lol:
Roaddog
No, I don't think anyone got taken on that trade. I was just joking.
March 06, 2015 at 04:01PM View BBCode
Originally posted by pittstlrs
I don't know why I keep checking this league. I need that little emoticon where the guy is slamming his head against the computer. God help me.
Anyways, my 2 cents, not that anybody asked...haha! He didn't get taken on the Wally Curveball trade. He gave up a playoff first and mid round first for a 26 OS red letter pitcher. Who has a chance to get to red letter control. Now a lot of us probably wouldn't of done that because we see him as a reliever. He doesn't, he sees him as a pitcher. From what I understand from posts by bahston, is that he doesn't care about the designation of starting pitchers or relievers. He doesn't use pitchers the way that the majority of us do, so he needs to pay what we perceive as more for what we also perceive as a relief pitcher. Does that make any sense? It does in my head but I may not be explaining it correctly. Ha!
I'm sure if I misunderstood his posts from before he will let me know. :lol:
No, I don't think anyone got taken on that trade. I was just joking.
machoking
This needs to stop. We are all capable of making our own decisions. Getting on the message board and telling everyone what to trade or how to trade is borderline collusion against Montreal. I understand his domination in this league has angered most of you, but it is our fault as a collection of 16 owners not his. It always takes 2 to make a trade.
March 07, 2015 at 11:48AM View BBCode
Guys,This needs to stop. We are all capable of making our own decisions. Getting on the message board and telling everyone what to trade or how to trade is borderline collusion against Montreal. I understand his domination in this league has angered most of you, but it is our fault as a collection of 16 owners not his. It always takes 2 to make a trade.
bahstonwedsawks
Thanks, machoking.
March 07, 2015 at 02:11PM View BBCode
Originally posted by machoking
Guys,
This needs to stop. We are all capable of making our own decisions. Getting on the message board and telling everyone what to trade or how to trade is borderline collusion against Montreal. I understand his domination in this league has angered most of you, but it is our fault as a collection of 16 owners not his. It always takes 2 to make a trade.
Thanks, machoking.
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