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Maze
[b]ROY = Rookie of the Year, LY = Last Year, TY = This Year, (r) = (Ranked in the WBL), Teams with * = Involved in CPs trades [/b]
Here is a current assessment of the current minor league evaluation for the WBL 2031 season (rating system has been updated TY)... Each team is somewhat analyzed by way of a rating number which was determine by prospects with options available only - not veterans. The rating reflects prospects who have no mentoring value, therefore, teams such as Montreal who only have two qualifying players, their numbers are less valued than those who carry all non-mentoring players. The number in parenthesis represents the number of qualifying players.
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ATLANTA (13)
Respectable Minor league system with solid talent inside the organization.
Top Pitching Prospect:
19 yrs old LHP Clay Lowery, Excellent fastball and a rough rider on the mound, Needs work on control - HTP
Top Position Player:
20 yr old LF Jumbo Munger, Possible five-tool player who can hit LHP really well. Top flight speed
Rating 2.85 - Grade B-
LY = 2.90, B-
CINCINNATI (18)
More than half of the system is under age 21.
Top Pitching Prospect:
18 yrs old RHP Cal Bush - As the #3 overall pick in the 2031 draft, will carry some pressure to live up to the hype - TP
Top Position Player:
19 yrs old CF Frank McLaughlin - Superb hitter, possible future batting champ. Defense needs work, injury prone - TP
Rating 2.37, Grade c+
LY = 2.72, B-
FLORIDA (17)
Talented group continues to grow.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old RHP Sid Landis, Selected 6th overall in the 2013 draft. Nice attributes, but not a whole lot of velocity - TP
Top Position Player:
18 yrs old CF Jim Fitzgerald, Power to all fields, good base runner, terrible defender right now. #9 Overall in 2030 draft
Rating 2.63, Grade C+
LY = 2.63, C+
LOS ANGELES-n (14)
Minor league system has more youth, but a couple of TPs to balance out.
Top Pitching Prospect:
23 yrs old RHP Rob Haford, WBL velocity and endurance, a bulldog on the mound, needs to improve control - TP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old 3B Cliff Burton, Above average contact hitter, good power vs. LHP. WBL throwing arm, could be an All-Star - TP
Rating 2.76, Grade B-
LY = 2.83, B-
MILWAUKEE (18)
Pitching is exceptional, it's the hitting where there are questions.
Top Pitching Prospect:
19 yrs old RHP Al Reichle - Flame throwing RHP who severely lacks control. But throws REAL hard - TP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old CF Don Posada - Power to all fields, strikeout prone vs. RHP, sub-par on defense, arm is weak
Rating 2.98, Grade B
LY = 2.97, B
MONTREAL (4)*
Mainly oversees pitching and catchers carrying mostly veterans.
Top Pitching Prospect:
22 yrs old RHP Beau Calzini - excellent control, already has WBL ring, system strives in high quality pitching - HTP
Top Position Player:
none
Rating 3.50, Grade B+
LY = 3.41, B+
SAN DIEGO (18)
Two future superstars, but the rest may never see a full two seasons in the show.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old LHP Todd Heath - has proven to be better than scouts predicted. Better suited as a closer - TP
Top Position Player:
18 yrs old LF Bob Williams - The #5 overall pick could have gone #1. Well rounded player can hit to all fields, great speed - HTP
Rating 2.21, Grade C
LY = 2.42, C+
ST. LOUIS (8)
Experience owner has well mixture of vets and high quality youth.
Top Pitching Prospect:
19 yrs old RHP Andy Purtell - Closer or set up? Gifted to get batters out - TP
Top Position Player:
20 yrs old C Mel Gaston, Will be a great hitter and is ready now. But is transitioning to Catcher - Projected All-Star
Rating 3.07, Grade B
LY = 3.07, B
BALTIMORE (13)
Major change over from LY. Carries plenty of depth and mix of vets.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old LHP Ytterbium Jenkins - Saw some WBL action, but won't listen and could not live up to potential - TP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old C Miguel Luciano - Should be great defensively, has improve offensively, especially vs. LHP
Rating 2.85, Grade B-
LY = 2.88, B-
BOSTON (15)
A continuation of keeping a plethora of under 23 yr olds who are good, but only a couple of possible greats.
Top Pitching Prospect:
23 yrs old RHP Buddy MacKenzie, solid future starter, still needs to get better at control - TP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old 2B Tony Manzanillo - Nice hitter with some power, can snag on defense but throwing is very suspect - HTP
Rating 2.50, Grade C+
LY = 2.50, C+
CHICAGO-a (13)
Numbers are underrated as the system has a few role players to create balance. Also has solid vets to add depth.
Top Pitching Prospect:
20 yrs old RHP Ole Everett- Future front line starter capable of being a #1 in the rotation - TP
Top Position Player:
19 yrs old CF Otto Kittridge, Five-tool player with all the elements to be great - Projected All-Star
Rating 2.56, Grade C+
LY = 2.73, B-
DETROIT (14)
Solid core system as the numbers do tell the amount of youth still developing.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old RHP Dave Suarez- Can eat up innings, average velocity, so needs to be smart. But control needs a whole lot of work
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old LF Dave Dwyer- Offensive powerhouse. Can do it all ... defense is a wreck waiting to happen - HTP
Rating 2.67, Grade B-
LY = 2.73, B-
NEW YORK-a (13)
Added youth dropped the system in numbers, but team still has a couple of great players a short time from teh show.
Top Pitching Prospect:
17 yrs old LHP Eddie Couch - Selected #1 overall in 2031, only time will tell if can be great - HTP
Top Position Player:
22 yrs old CF Swift Kennedy - Fantastic player who should be an All-Star by age 27 - HTP
Rating 2.52, Grade C+
LY = 2.74, B-
OAKLAND (16)*
System has mostly pitching prospects and catchers to train.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old LHP Dave Castle - excellent velocity, below average control
Top Position Player:
19 yrs old RF Dwayne Cregan - Could be a five-tool player, continues to get better all the same
Rating 2.59, Grade C+
LY = 2.67, B-
SEATTLE (19)
The wizardry from new owner could make this system top notch in two seasons.
Top Pitching Prospect:
22 yrs old RHP Ron Gardella - Superstar tagged at 22, Selected #2 overall in 2031 draft ROY favorite - Projected All-Star
Top Position Player:
18 yrs old RF Harvey Shelton - Superb player already, needs improvement vs RHP and not strikeout so much - projected All-Star
Rating 2.59, Grade C+
LY = 2.75, B-
WASHINGTON (14)
Plethora of pitching talent with a couple of superstars in waiting.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old LHP Augie Murakami - Future closer with excellent velocity - HTP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old OF Chizel Francois - Solid all around hitter, with decent power, Defense need work, lacks strong arm - TP
Rating 2.71, Grade B-
LY = 2.59, C+
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MILWAUKEE HAS NUMBER ONE RATED MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM (Repeat fr LY)
Maze
[Edited on 3-15-2017 by Maze]
(WBL) - Minor League Report Card 2031
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[b]HTP = Highly Top Prospect, TP = Top Prospect[/b]
[b]ROY = Rookie of the Year, LY = Last Year, TY = This Year, (r) = (Ranked in the WBL), Teams with * = Involved in CPs trades [/b]
Here is a current assessment of the current minor league evaluation for the WBL 2031 season (rating system has been updated TY)... Each team is somewhat analyzed by way of a rating number which was determine by prospects with options available only - not veterans. The rating reflects prospects who have no mentoring value, therefore, teams such as Montreal who only have two qualifying players, their numbers are less valued than those who carry all non-mentoring players. The number in parenthesis represents the number of qualifying players.
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ATLANTA (13)
Respectable Minor league system with solid talent inside the organization.
Top Pitching Prospect:
19 yrs old LHP Clay Lowery, Excellent fastball and a rough rider on the mound, Needs work on control - HTP
Top Position Player:
20 yr old LF Jumbo Munger, Possible five-tool player who can hit LHP really well. Top flight speed
Rating 2.85 - Grade B-
LY = 2.90, B-
CINCINNATI (18)
More than half of the system is under age 21.
Top Pitching Prospect:
18 yrs old RHP Cal Bush - As the #3 overall pick in the 2031 draft, will carry some pressure to live up to the hype - TP
Top Position Player:
19 yrs old CF Frank McLaughlin - Superb hitter, possible future batting champ. Defense needs work, injury prone - TP
Rating 2.37, Grade c+
LY = 2.72, B-
FLORIDA (17)
Talented group continues to grow.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old RHP Sid Landis, Selected 6th overall in the 2013 draft. Nice attributes, but not a whole lot of velocity - TP
Top Position Player:
18 yrs old CF Jim Fitzgerald, Power to all fields, good base runner, terrible defender right now. #9 Overall in 2030 draft
Rating 2.63, Grade C+
LY = 2.63, C+
LOS ANGELES-n (14)
Minor league system has more youth, but a couple of TPs to balance out.
Top Pitching Prospect:
23 yrs old RHP Rob Haford, WBL velocity and endurance, a bulldog on the mound, needs to improve control - TP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old 3B Cliff Burton, Above average contact hitter, good power vs. LHP. WBL throwing arm, could be an All-Star - TP
Rating 2.76, Grade B-
LY = 2.83, B-
MILWAUKEE (18)
Pitching is exceptional, it's the hitting where there are questions.
Top Pitching Prospect:
19 yrs old RHP Al Reichle - Flame throwing RHP who severely lacks control. But throws REAL hard - TP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old CF Don Posada - Power to all fields, strikeout prone vs. RHP, sub-par on defense, arm is weak
Rating 2.98, Grade B
LY = 2.97, B
MONTREAL (4)*
Mainly oversees pitching and catchers carrying mostly veterans.
Top Pitching Prospect:
22 yrs old RHP Beau Calzini - excellent control, already has WBL ring, system strives in high quality pitching - HTP
Top Position Player:
none
Rating 3.50, Grade B+
LY = 3.41, B+
SAN DIEGO (18)
Two future superstars, but the rest may never see a full two seasons in the show.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old LHP Todd Heath - has proven to be better than scouts predicted. Better suited as a closer - TP
Top Position Player:
18 yrs old LF Bob Williams - The #5 overall pick could have gone #1. Well rounded player can hit to all fields, great speed - HTP
Rating 2.21, Grade C
LY = 2.42, C+
ST. LOUIS (8)
Experience owner has well mixture of vets and high quality youth.
Top Pitching Prospect:
19 yrs old RHP Andy Purtell - Closer or set up? Gifted to get batters out - TP
Top Position Player:
20 yrs old C Mel Gaston, Will be a great hitter and is ready now. But is transitioning to Catcher - Projected All-Star
Rating 3.07, Grade B
LY = 3.07, B
BALTIMORE (13)
Major change over from LY. Carries plenty of depth and mix of vets.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old LHP Ytterbium Jenkins - Saw some WBL action, but won't listen and could not live up to potential - TP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old C Miguel Luciano - Should be great defensively, has improve offensively, especially vs. LHP
Rating 2.85, Grade B-
LY = 2.88, B-
BOSTON (15)
A continuation of keeping a plethora of under 23 yr olds who are good, but only a couple of possible greats.
Top Pitching Prospect:
23 yrs old RHP Buddy MacKenzie, solid future starter, still needs to get better at control - TP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old 2B Tony Manzanillo - Nice hitter with some power, can snag on defense but throwing is very suspect - HTP
Rating 2.50, Grade C+
LY = 2.50, C+
CHICAGO-a (13)
Numbers are underrated as the system has a few role players to create balance. Also has solid vets to add depth.
Top Pitching Prospect:
20 yrs old RHP Ole Everett- Future front line starter capable of being a #1 in the rotation - TP
Top Position Player:
19 yrs old CF Otto Kittridge, Five-tool player with all the elements to be great - Projected All-Star
Rating 2.56, Grade C+
LY = 2.73, B-
DETROIT (14)
Solid core system as the numbers do tell the amount of youth still developing.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old RHP Dave Suarez- Can eat up innings, average velocity, so needs to be smart. But control needs a whole lot of work
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old LF Dave Dwyer- Offensive powerhouse. Can do it all ... defense is a wreck waiting to happen - HTP
Rating 2.67, Grade B-
LY = 2.73, B-
NEW YORK-a (13)
Added youth dropped the system in numbers, but team still has a couple of great players a short time from teh show.
Top Pitching Prospect:
17 yrs old LHP Eddie Couch - Selected #1 overall in 2031, only time will tell if can be great - HTP
Top Position Player:
22 yrs old CF Swift Kennedy - Fantastic player who should be an All-Star by age 27 - HTP
Rating 2.52, Grade C+
LY = 2.74, B-
OAKLAND (16)*
System has mostly pitching prospects and catchers to train.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old LHP Dave Castle - excellent velocity, below average control
Top Position Player:
19 yrs old RF Dwayne Cregan - Could be a five-tool player, continues to get better all the same
Rating 2.59, Grade C+
LY = 2.67, B-
SEATTLE (19)
The wizardry from new owner could make this system top notch in two seasons.
Top Pitching Prospect:
22 yrs old RHP Ron Gardella - Superstar tagged at 22, Selected #2 overall in 2031 draft ROY favorite - Projected All-Star
Top Position Player:
18 yrs old RF Harvey Shelton - Superb player already, needs improvement vs RHP and not strikeout so much - projected All-Star
Rating 2.59, Grade C+
LY = 2.75, B-
WASHINGTON (14)
Plethora of pitching talent with a couple of superstars in waiting.
Top Pitching Prospect:
21 yrs old LHP Augie Murakami - Future closer with excellent velocity - HTP
Top Position Player:
21 yrs old OF Chizel Francois - Solid all around hitter, with decent power, Defense need work, lacks strong arm - TP
Rating 2.71, Grade B-
LY = 2.59, C+
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MILWAUKEE HAS NUMBER ONE RATED MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM (Repeat fr LY)
Maze
[Edited on 3-15-2017 by Maze]
bahstonwedsawks
March 15, 2017 at 08:53PM View BBCode
Is the "top rated system" based on the "rating" for each team or something else?
bahstonwedsawks
I know, but how did you get MIL as top rated? In other words, based on what number in your data or is it based on your subjective opinion? If one goes by the number next to "rating" for each team then it's not MIL.
March 16, 2017 at 12:21AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Maze
Minor League System ...
I know, but how did you get MIL as top rated? In other words, based on what number in your data or is it based on your subjective opinion? If one goes by the number next to "rating" for each team then it's not MIL.
pecker247
With Milwaukee he doesn't have any pitching prospects. Not one prospect that will be good enough to be anything(no offense)
He also doesn't have any hitting prospects either so I am a little perplexed by that.
Not to compare, but when I look at my minor league system. I have 2 really good pitching prospects and 2 more that would be decent if developed. For hitting I have Mel Gaston which we know will be a stud. Pelty if I can develop him will be decent. Phil Henshaw will be A- A vs right and possible A+ A+ vs lefty again if I can develop him. You gave me a good grade on the minor system which I do appreciate, but I don't understand it I guess.
Seattle has a pretty good minor league system going on over there and so does Cincinatti. I would think they would be highly rated. Montreal has the best pitching prospects by far....
I think what Montreal is asking is how do you get these rankings? If I loaded up with a bunch of 24 to 25 year old B overall players then would that make your minors better in your formula?
March 16, 2017 at 01:42AM View BBCode
Yeah I don't understand that either and maybe you could clarify. Here is why I ask.With Milwaukee he doesn't have any pitching prospects. Not one prospect that will be good enough to be anything(no offense)
He also doesn't have any hitting prospects either so I am a little perplexed by that.
Not to compare, but when I look at my minor league system. I have 2 really good pitching prospects and 2 more that would be decent if developed. For hitting I have Mel Gaston which we know will be a stud. Pelty if I can develop him will be decent. Phil Henshaw will be A- A vs right and possible A+ A+ vs lefty again if I can develop him. You gave me a good grade on the minor system which I do appreciate, but I don't understand it I guess.
Seattle has a pretty good minor league system going on over there and so does Cincinatti. I would think they would be highly rated. Montreal has the best pitching prospects by far....
I think what Montreal is asking is how do you get these rankings? If I loaded up with a bunch of 24 to 25 year old B overall players then would that make your minors better in your formula?
Maze
Therefore, I agree St. Louis has the better system, but due to having only 8 qualified players ... compared to another team that has 15 ... or 18 ... a team who carries many, the rating will be lower than a team that carries 8.
By using the letter grades as a rep of the rating for the player - for ex) A- rating = 3.85, an A rating = 4.21, an A+ rating = 4.97 .... this allows the number to speak and Milwaukee has a mass number of B rated players who are not mentors yet
March 16, 2017 at 06:58AM View BBCode
Al.ight ... much of the criteria is based on eligibility. For example, a player carries a mentor score, they are now longer eligible to be counted for or against the system. Futhermore, a team than carries less than 10 players who qualify, I thought about the number and ten seem to be a good number. For example, yes - Montreal has studs, but only 4 players total out of 13 (two players belong to Oakland ... where is the completeness in rating a team who rather carry vets and make CP trades than rebuild?Therefore, I agree St. Louis has the better system, but due to having only 8 qualified players ... compared to another team that has 15 ... or 18 ... a team who carries many, the rating will be lower than a team that carries 8.
By using the letter grades as a rep of the rating for the player - for ex) A- rating = 3.85, an A rating = 4.21, an A+ rating = 4.97 .... this allows the number to speak and Milwaukee has a mass number of B rated players who are not mentors yet
pecker247
For example in my minors I have 2 pitchers that will get to A- or A overall. More than likely A- overall. If the B+D+ guy was developed fully he would also get to A- overall.
For the bats Mel Gaston will get to A overall. Pelty will probably stall out at B+ overall. Henshaw if developed will get to A- overall and could get to A with some luck.
I guess when I look at a minor league system I look at future potential all stars.
Not knocking your system. Just trying to understand the calculation.
March 16, 2017 at 02:16PM View BBCode
I gotcha. When I look at a minor league system I look at future major league players. If someone has a B overall 27 year old then that's usually just someone to fill a minor league roster so they can get to 15 players. I agree you aren't going to have 15 good minor league players. Not only is that impossible, but it's a waste of talent since you can't develop all of them. If someone can have 5 future major league players in their minors then that's considered really good. I am not talking about 5 future B overall players or really even 5 B+ overall players. I am talking about 5 future A- or A overall type players.For example in my minors I have 2 pitchers that will get to A- or A overall. More than likely A- overall. If the B+D+ guy was developed fully he would also get to A- overall.
For the bats Mel Gaston will get to A overall. Pelty will probably stall out at B+ overall. Henshaw if developed will get to A- overall and could get to A with some luck.
I guess when I look at a minor league system I look at future potential all stars.
Not knocking your system. Just trying to understand the calculation.
jmckeean
March 16, 2017 at 03:09PM View BBCode
This must take a lot of work. Thank you so much for doing it every year! I always look forward to reading you analysis.
bahstonwedsawks
Me too! Looking forward to the 2031 predictions of who will win AL, NL, and WS!
March 16, 2017 at 03:12PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jmckeean
This must take a lot of work. Thank you so much for doing it every year! I always look forward to reading you analysis.
Me too! Looking forward to the 2031 predictions of who will win AL, NL, and WS!
pecker247
Oakland vs Chicago..... Oakland wins.
Oakland beats Montreal
Title returns to AL.
Unless Chicago rebuilds then Detroit plays Oakland.
It's a long shot but you never know.
March 16, 2017 at 04:56PM View BBCode
Montreal vs St. Louis, Montreal winsOakland vs Chicago..... Oakland wins.
Oakland beats Montreal
Title returns to AL.
Unless Chicago rebuilds then Detroit plays Oakland.
It's a long shot but you never know.
Michael1
Also it may be in fun you refer to St. Louis and Montreal as Goliaths but they got there because people will trade for there playoff draft picks and get little useful in return from the pick. A more objective ranking would be to use a 12 point scale and average the grades of all 16-23's in the minors and go from there. Some years a team needs to pick up a WW 23 to put his 5 on pitching it will hurt his grade but in System 2 it has to be done. in 5 in July that crap stops and you develop what you draft. I await your September diagnosis after a season of System 5 improves.
March 17, 2017 at 01:34PM View BBCode
I like your take on the minors. That being said you mentioned Cincinnati has too many older guys, we do, I also would like to remind you Mr. Maze that the previous owner either A) had poor choices to pick from due to keeping around players he should have traded and have been traded for 3 very decent picks. Or B) gave up and just let ABE autodraft for him and he got plenty of nothing. While my minors is full of C+ players that are too old to train System 2 doesn't really train outside of the top 3 players listed at 4 or 5. Your 3 and 2 guys get scraps. It is really best to have that 23 YO who has reached B+ or better to be 3 or 2 so you can train the teen you just drafted.Also it may be in fun you refer to St. Louis and Montreal as Goliaths but they got there because people will trade for there playoff draft picks and get little useful in return from the pick. A more objective ranking would be to use a 12 point scale and average the grades of all 16-23's in the minors and go from there. Some years a team needs to pick up a WW 23 to put his 5 on pitching it will hurt his grade but in System 2 it has to be done. in 5 in July that crap stops and you develop what you draft. I await your September diagnosis after a season of System 5 improves.
Maze
It is all in fun ... I wish someone would refer to me team as a Goliath.
I came up with a simple rating system, due to the amount of time it already takes to complete.
And much thanks and for this St. Patrick's Day, wish all the teams "Good Luck" for the upcoming season.
March 17, 2017 at 03:09PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Michael1
refer to St. Louis and Montreal as Goliaths ... A more objective ranking would be to use a 12 point scale and average the grades of all 16-23's in the minors ... I await your September diagnosis after a season of System 5 improves.
It is all in fun ... I wish someone would refer to me team as a Goliath.
I came up with a simple rating system, due to the amount of time it already takes to complete.
And much thanks and for this St. Patrick's Day, wish all the teams "Good Luck" for the upcoming season.
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