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farfetched
[url=www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html]I Post URL, You Read[/url]
No, I'm not knocking FOXNEWS (aka satan... er... wait) because this has nothing to do with them. I wanted to see if anyone else read this thesis-length article and I really would like to see what you think if you make it all the way through.
I'm not sure if I'm ever shopping there again... Good God.
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Oh, who am I kidding... If the system allows for me to eat 3 meals a day, who am I to say it's wrong to buy?
I'm a freakin whore in the consumer industry...
Imperialism, Extortion...
August 31, 2004 at 12:29AM View BBCode
I'm not sure if this article has been covered here in OT, and I frankly don't want to put forth the effort of finding out.[url=www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html]I Post URL, You Read[/url]
No, I'm not knocking FOXNEWS (aka satan... er... wait) because this has nothing to do with them. I wanted to see if anyone else read this thesis-length article and I really would like to see what you think if you make it all the way through.
I'm not sure if I'm ever shopping there again... Good God.
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Oh, who am I kidding... If the system allows for me to eat 3 meals a day, who am I to say it's wrong to buy?
I'm a freakin whore in the consumer industry...
FuriousGiorge
August 31, 2004 at 12:33AM View BBCode
I asked my wife if I could buy the gallon jar of pickles but she said no. Man, all those pickles would be pretty sweet right now.
Target
August 31, 2004 at 12:53AM View BBCode
SIMPLY MORE REASONS WHY WAL*MART IS A CRAPPY STORE YOU SHOULD NEVER BUY THINGS FROM.
happy
August 31, 2004 at 05:36AM View BBCode
point being: why are these people losing their jobs? because people in china are willing to work for so much less, that it costs less to make it there, and ship it here, than to make it here. minimum wage.
Woolworths
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August 31, 2004 at 06:18AM View BBCode
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Duff77
Right, so what do we do about it? Get rid of minimum wage. Fine. Then what do you think is going to happen? People here will make exactly what they make in China. You think they're living in our kind of luxury over there? I don't think so. If you really want to live like that, fine--move there and make 50 cents a day...and work 100 hours a week. At least then you won't feel like you're screwing those poor, poor corporations that can't make their way otherwise.
August 31, 2004 at 06:22AM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
point being: why are these people losing their jobs? because people in china are willing to work for so much less, that it costs less to make it there, and ship it here, than to make it here. minimum wage.
Right, so what do we do about it? Get rid of minimum wage. Fine. Then what do you think is going to happen? People here will make exactly what they make in China. You think they're living in our kind of luxury over there? I don't think so. If you really want to live like that, fine--move there and make 50 cents a day...and work 100 hours a week. At least then you won't feel like you're screwing those poor, poor corporations that can't make their way otherwise.
Windward
At 50 cents an hour, people in other nations are prospering, they benefit.
The pressure American consumers can put on suppliers will be put on foriegn nations. If those nations want to continue to supply the U.S., they will have to cooperate with us. Wal-mart is a good example how it works.
Sometimes you can get things done through trade that you couldn't do with military force. The trick is to develop the trade to the point they don't want to do without it.
August 31, 2004 at 07:48PM View BBCode
Enjoy the low prices at Walmart. That benefits Americans.At 50 cents an hour, people in other nations are prospering, they benefit.
The pressure American consumers can put on suppliers will be put on foriegn nations. If those nations want to continue to supply the U.S., they will have to cooperate with us. Wal-mart is a good example how it works.
Sometimes you can get things done through trade that you couldn't do with military force. The trick is to develop the trade to the point they don't want to do without it.
happy
August 31, 2004 at 08:39PM View BBCode
we dont need to get rid of minimum wages because i dont care if people lose their shitty factory jobs, but you cant have it both ways. you cant keep the crappy jobs here, and keep minimum wage. in China, everyone works for less than minimum wage because the only jobs available are shitty jobs. the only people whose salaries will change by getting rid of minimum wage is people who have minimum wage jobs's wage will go down a some (probably max 50 cents per hour) and then a whole bunch of jobs will open up for appx 3 dollars an hour. right now these jobs are strangled out.
ME
September 01, 2004 at 12:31AM View BBCode
Most people in the US who are on minimum wage are those in middle-class families, usually teenagers and college students trying to get extra money, but who are mainly supported by their parents. They're aren't many who try to support a family on mimimum wage - although there are many who have to support a family on low wages in low-level jobs - they make more than minimum wage. Bringing down the minimum wage wouldn't be all that bad.
Duff77
Of course the main control is the strength of the economy. When it's going well, and workers are scarse, wages go up. But when things are bad, wages go down drastically. If there are 100 people who want one job, SOMEONE will work it for one dollar an hour. Unless someone else will work it for fifty cents an hour. This is what happened to migrant workers during the depression, and it's part of the reason we need the minimum wage.
[Edited on 9-1-2004 by Duff77]
September 01, 2004 at 04:49AM View BBCode
Minimum wage is still the bottom-level salary you can pay someone. You pay people in factory jobs and whatever more than that because those jobs require more skills and more training. So if you make $5.15 at Wal Mart, you make $8.15 at the factory. But if supply and demand determines wages, then you'll make $2.15 at Wal Mart, and then (gasp!) only $5.15 at the factory. That's how it'll happen.Of course the main control is the strength of the economy. When it's going well, and workers are scarse, wages go up. But when things are bad, wages go down drastically. If there are 100 people who want one job, SOMEONE will work it for one dollar an hour. Unless someone else will work it for fifty cents an hour. This is what happened to migrant workers during the depression, and it's part of the reason we need the minimum wage.
[Edited on 9-1-2004 by Duff77]
happy
September 01, 2004 at 05:54AM View BBCode
i know. that is a good thing. 1 in 100 gets a job. who should it be? the one asking for 2 dollars an hour, or the guy asking for 5 who can work twice as fast? according to minimum wage, the guy asking for 5. bad math people.
whiskybear
September 01, 2004 at 06:00AM View BBCode
I don't know if this was mentioned up above, but minimum wage actually raises unemployment, and the higher the minimum gets, the higher unemployment gets. The more you have to pay your employees, the fewer you're going to hire.
Duff77
September 01, 2004 at 06:01AM View BBCode
You don't ask Food Lion for more money because you can check people out faster. If you do, they fire you and hire someone who will work for less. That's how the real world operates. If it didn't, service wouldn't suck so freaking hard. In skilled jobs, yeah--it works that way sometimes. At Target, the guy who busted his butt made the same amount as the guy who didn't give a rats ass.
happy
September 01, 2004 at 06:03AM View formatted
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not true. I got a raise every 6 months, and the poeple who were fast got extra raises, and the people who were suck ups got extra raises. I never got raises because my average ring thing was always below average because i was a lazy ass, and i pissed off all the managers because i knew they were too lazy to fire me.
Duff77
But I guess Food Lion must be better than Target, because that guy who'd been there a year and a half, and who ran the backroom, and who busted butt every second he was there... He'd gotten the same raises as everybody else.
September 01, 2004 at 06:19AM View BBCode
There's still some point where you bump against the cost of labor. Supermarket chains have incredibly thin profit margins, and when you have to undersell Wal-Mart you've got to cut every corner you can. Every business is trying to do it cheaper than the next guy, and ultimately that comes back to hurt wages.But I guess Food Lion must be better than Target, because that guy who'd been there a year and a half, and who ran the backroom, and who busted butt every second he was there... He'd gotten the same raises as everybody else.
BleedRed
Yeah, on that one, I share your pain. I may have put way too much effort into my short summer-long stay at Target.
It's nice to agree with Duff for once :):saint:
September 01, 2004 at 06:36AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Duff77
But I guess Food Lion must be better than Target, because that guy who'd been there a year and a half, and who ran the backroom, and who busted butt every second he was there... He'd gotten the same raises as everybody else.
Yeah, on that one, I share your pain. I may have put way too much effort into my short summer-long stay at Target.
It's nice to agree with Duff for once :):saint:
Duff77
September 01, 2004 at 06:41AM View BBCode
They had me pulling batches in the backroom from 12 to 4. There were like 13 different categories or whatever, and I never got through more than 5 or 6. Nobody ever said a word to me. And I backstocked at about half the speed of the rest of the people. But that guy...poor SOB...he should've been making $10/hr for the work he was doing. He was worth three times what I was.Pages: 1