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kingjames0405
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January 11, 2005 at 07:00PM View BBCode
Who are some of the best prospects for the 2005 NFL Draft?
prvev
January 11, 2005 at 07:02PM View BBCode
Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, Carnell Williams, Mike Williams, Mike Leinart (if he comes out), Derek Johnson, Aaron Rodgers, Ryan Moats, Braylon Edwards.
kingjames0405
January 11, 2005 at 07:04PM View BBCode
yea id like the browns to pick up leinart since they need a QB
kingjames0405
January 11, 2005 at 07:04PM View formatted
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theres no one great this year last year was the best draft ever though
prvev
January 11, 2005 at 07:08PM View BBCode
This year is great for runningbacks, not great for qb's probably. Williams and Edwards may be the only receivers in the first round.
whiskybear
January 11, 2005 at 07:11PM View BBCode
I think Alex Smith will be able to compete at the next level.
prvev
January 11, 2005 at 07:12PM View BBCode
Yea, he could be this year's Roethlisberger, but he'll have to get on a good team, which is possible because he won't be picked that high.
youngallstar
2 Derrick Johnson Outside Linebacker Senior Texas
3 Braylon Edwards Wide Receiver Senior Michigan
4 Mike Williams Wide Receiver Junior Southern Cal
5 Matt Leinart Quarterback Junior Southern Cal
6 Mathias Kiwanuka Defensive End Junior Boston College
7 Carnell Williams Running Back Senior Auburn
8 Aaron Rodgers Quarterback Junior California
9 Thomas Davis Free Safety Junior Georgia
10 Ronnie Brown Running Back Senior Auburn
11 Alex Barron Offensive Tackle Senior Florida State
12 Alex Smith Quarterback Junior Utah
13 Justin Miller Cornerback Junior Clemson
14 Anttaj Hawthorne Defensive Tackle Senior Wisconsin
15 Shaun Cody Defensive Tackle Senior Southern Cal
16 Mark Clayton Wide Receiver Senior Oklahoma
17 Cedric Benson Running Back Senior Texas
18 Jammal Brown Offensive Tackle Senior Oklahoma
19 Ben Wilkerson Center Senior Louisiana State
20 David Pollack Defensive End Senior Georgia
21 Marlin Jackson Cornerback Senior Michigan
22 Rodrique Wright Defensive Tackle Junior Texas
23 Heath Miller Tight End Junior Virginia
24 Elton Brown Guard Senior Virginia
25 Marcus Spears Defensive End Senior Louisiana State
January 11, 2005 at 07:14PM View BBCode
1 Antrel Rolle Cornerback Senior Miami2 Derrick Johnson Outside Linebacker Senior Texas
3 Braylon Edwards Wide Receiver Senior Michigan
4 Mike Williams Wide Receiver Junior Southern Cal
5 Matt Leinart Quarterback Junior Southern Cal
6 Mathias Kiwanuka Defensive End Junior Boston College
7 Carnell Williams Running Back Senior Auburn
8 Aaron Rodgers Quarterback Junior California
9 Thomas Davis Free Safety Junior Georgia
10 Ronnie Brown Running Back Senior Auburn
11 Alex Barron Offensive Tackle Senior Florida State
12 Alex Smith Quarterback Junior Utah
13 Justin Miller Cornerback Junior Clemson
14 Anttaj Hawthorne Defensive Tackle Senior Wisconsin
15 Shaun Cody Defensive Tackle Senior Southern Cal
16 Mark Clayton Wide Receiver Senior Oklahoma
17 Cedric Benson Running Back Senior Texas
18 Jammal Brown Offensive Tackle Senior Oklahoma
19 Ben Wilkerson Center Senior Louisiana State
20 David Pollack Defensive End Senior Georgia
21 Marlin Jackson Cornerback Senior Michigan
22 Rodrique Wright Defensive Tackle Junior Texas
23 Heath Miller Tight End Junior Virginia
24 Elton Brown Guard Senior Virginia
25 Marcus Spears Defensive End Senior Louisiana State
abarkov
[Edited on 1-11-2005 by abarkov]
January 11, 2005 at 07:20PM View BBCode
Hmmm, only two offensive lineman in your 25?? Well I'd heard it's a bad year for linemen.. Crow - hold feathers.[Edited on 1-11-2005 by abarkov]
FuriousGiorge
Best draft ever? Based on what exactly?
January 11, 2005 at 07:20PM View BBCode
Originally posted by kingjames0405
theres no one great this year last year was the best draft ever though
Best draft ever? Based on what exactly?
whiskybear
DUH. Eli Manning?
January 11, 2005 at 07:23PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Best draft ever? Based on what exactly?
DUH. Eli Manning?
FuriousGiorge
Do you have some more insight you'd like to share on this? That's a pretty bold statement you made and your defense of it so far is pretty vague.
January 11, 2005 at 07:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by kingjames0405
the overall players selected
Do you have some more insight you'd like to share on this? That's a pretty bold statement you made and your defense of it so far is pretty vague.
sfgiants4
January 11, 2005 at 08:20PM View BBCode
Antrel Rolle is very good but not the best in the draft. Since referees have implemented less contact for conerbacks, shutdown cornerbacks in the draft are valued less.
skierdude44
I would think that that would only increase the value of a quality shut down corner who doesn't need to put his hands on a receiver to shut him down. Before some inferior corners played better because they were allowed to jam the receivers more, now since they can't a great cover corner is even more valuble.
January 11, 2005 at 08:28PM View BBCode
Originally posted by sfgiants4
Antrel Rolle is very good but not the best in the draft. Since referees have implemented less contact for conerbacks, shutdown cornerbacks in the draft are valued less.
I would think that that would only increase the value of a quality shut down corner who doesn't need to put his hands on a receiver to shut him down. Before some inferior corners played better because they were allowed to jam the receivers more, now since they can't a great cover corner is even more valuble.
youngallstar
Well done Skier. I was about to post something to that effect. Last year Rolle wouldnt have been as coveted as he will be this year.
January 11, 2005 at 08:29PM View BBCode
Originally posted by skierdude44
Originally posted by sfgiants4
Antrel Rolle is very good but not the best in the draft. Since referees have implemented less contact for conerbacks, shutdown cornerbacks in the draft are valued less.
I would think that that would only increase the value of a quality shut down corner who doesn't need to put his hands on a receiver to shut him down. Before some inferior corners played better because they were allowed to jam the receivers more, now since they can't a great cover corner is even more valuble.
Well done Skier. I was about to post something to that effect. Last year Rolle wouldnt have been as coveted as he will be this year.
sfgiants4
January 11, 2005 at 08:30PM View BBCode
well ya i see your point , but according to mel kiper jr. conerbacks stock are down, he doesn't have him in his top ten.
skierdude44
That is a hard statement to defend because these guys have only had one year to showcase their skills and still have a lot of time to improve. Last year was possibly one of the deepest receiving drafts ever (Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Reggie Williams, etc.) but you really need to wait more than a year to claim it was the best ever.
January 11, 2005 at 08:30PM View BBCode
Originally posted by kingjames0405
theres no one great this year last year was the best draft ever though
That is a hard statement to defend because these guys have only had one year to showcase their skills and still have a lot of time to improve. Last year was possibly one of the deepest receiving drafts ever (Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Reggie Williams, etc.) but you really need to wait more than a year to claim it was the best ever.
whiskybear
Unless the guy is the Jesus F-ING Christ of the secondary, there's no way a cornerback can really excel. Consider that the receiver has every advantage in every matchup. He knows the play. He knows the route. He knows the timing. The cornerback has to rely on instinct. Now, he can't even rely on a little contact.
It's pathetic how hard the league has come down on DBs.
January 11, 2005 at 08:31PM View BBCode
Originally posted by skierdude44
I would think that that would only increase the value of a quality shut down corner who doesn't need to put his hands on a receiver to shut him down. Before some inferior corners played better because they were allowed to jam the receivers more, now since they can't a great cover corner is even more valuble.
Unless the guy is the Jesus F-ING Christ of the secondary, there's no way a cornerback can really excel. Consider that the receiver has every advantage in every matchup. He knows the play. He knows the route. He knows the timing. The cornerback has to rely on instinct. Now, he can't even rely on a little contact.
It's pathetic how hard the league has come down on DBs.
skierdude44
That probably just reflects the overall talent pool at the corner position in the upcoming draft. And thanks Young :D
January 11, 2005 at 08:32PM View BBCode
Originally posted by sfgiants4
well ya i see your point , but according to mel kiper jr. conerbacks stock are down, he doesn't have him in his top ten.
That probably just reflects the overall talent pool at the corner position in the upcoming draft. And thanks Young :D
sfgiants4
Player Class Pos. School Stock
1. Cedric Benson Sr. RB Texas
Four straight years with over 1,000 yards.
2. Dan Cody Sr. DT Oklahoma
A fiery, intense end who came on strong
3. Aaron Rodgers Jr. QB California
A smart, accurate, athletic passer.
4. Alex Smith Jr. QB Utah
Intelligent QB with good athletic ability
5. Ronnie Brown Sr. RB Auburn
A complete, explosive back who does it all.
6. Braylon Edwards Sr. WR Michigan
Has the size, speed and athleticism to dominate.
7. Carnell Williams Sr. RB Auburn
Very creative and deceptively strong runner.
8. Mike Williams Jr. WR USC
Terrific combo of size and strength.
9. Travis Johnson Sr. DT Fla. St.
Vastly improved and a dominant performer.
10. Derrick Johnson Sr. LB Texas
Strength, speed and a nose for the ball.
January 11, 2005 at 08:33PM View BBCode
Mel kiper's boardPlayer Class Pos. School Stock
1. Cedric Benson Sr. RB Texas
Four straight years with over 1,000 yards.
2. Dan Cody Sr. DT Oklahoma
A fiery, intense end who came on strong
3. Aaron Rodgers Jr. QB California
A smart, accurate, athletic passer.
4. Alex Smith Jr. QB Utah
Intelligent QB with good athletic ability
5. Ronnie Brown Sr. RB Auburn
A complete, explosive back who does it all.
6. Braylon Edwards Sr. WR Michigan
Has the size, speed and athleticism to dominate.
7. Carnell Williams Sr. RB Auburn
Very creative and deceptively strong runner.
8. Mike Williams Jr. WR USC
Terrific combo of size and strength.
9. Travis Johnson Sr. DT Fla. St.
Vastly improved and a dominant performer.
10. Derrick Johnson Sr. LB Texas
Strength, speed and a nose for the ball.
whiskybear
No you don't. Eli Manning. He's the Football Jesus. He's better than Touchdown Jesus. He's better than Ed "Too Tall" Jones. He's like floss, toothpaste, and other utensils: He's proven.
January 11, 2005 at 08:33PM View BBCode
Originally posted by skierdude44
You really need to wait more than a year to claim it was the best ever.
No you don't. Eli Manning. He's the Football Jesus. He's better than Touchdown Jesus. He's better than Ed "Too Tall" Jones. He's like floss, toothpaste, and other utensils: He's proven.
youngallstar
Kiper is an idiot. Im a devout Longhorn fan and even I wouldnt rank Cedric Benson over Ronnie Brown.
January 11, 2005 at 08:37PM View BBCode
Originally posted by sfgiants4
Mel kiper's board
Player Class Pos. School Stock
1. Cedric Benson Sr. RB Texas
Four straight years with over 1,000 yards.
2. Dan Cody Sr. DT Oklahoma
A fiery, intense end who came on strong
3. Aaron Rodgers Jr. QB California
A smart, accurate, athletic passer.
4. Alex Smith Jr. QB Utah
Intelligent QB with good athletic ability
5. Ronnie Brown Sr. RB Auburn
A complete, explosive back who does it all.
6. Braylon Edwards Sr. WR Michigan
Has the size, speed and athleticism to dominate.
7. Carnell Williams Sr. RB Auburn
Very creative and deceptively strong runner.
8. Mike Williams Jr. WR USC
Terrific combo of size and strength.
9. Travis Johnson Sr. DT Fla. St.
Vastly improved and a dominant performer.
10. Derrick Johnson Sr. LB Texas
Strength, speed and a nose for the ball.
Kiper is an idiot. Im a devout Longhorn fan and even I wouldnt rank Cedric Benson over Ronnie Brown.