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whiskybear
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Top receiver all-time
January 19, 2005 at 02:09AM View BBCode
Don Hutson. Did it all before anyone else did it. Practically invented the wide receiver position.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/HutsDo00.htm
Cubsfan13
January 19, 2005 at 02:35AM View BBCode
Can't argue with his stats. Got a lot of yardage in a time when they didn't throw a lot and in four less games a season.
lvnwrth
Unless, of course, you want to bring Renaldo Nehemiah into the discussion.
January 19, 2005 at 03:09AM View BBCode
Hutson, Elroy Hirsch, and then in the 50's-60's Raymond Berry were guys who kind of defined the split end in their day. But I think its really tough to argue against Jerry Rice as the best wide receiver ever.Unless, of course, you want to bring Renaldo Nehemiah into the discussion.
Railroad
January 19, 2005 at 03:29AM View BBCode
Let's not forget Ditka the first receiving tight end.
whiskybear
Because Don Hutson stood out among his peers far greater than even Rice, and because he revolutionized football in a similar way to how Babe Ruth influenced baseball. Just as Ruth dragged baseball out of the dark ages and into the live ball era, Hutson made the NFL into a much more vertical game, and helped to rescue it from the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" mentality that still prevails among 2A teams in Eastern Oregon.
But I wouldn't expect an irreverant stat-head to care about any of this, so you're free to love Jerry Rice, a pick which can be as easily justified as Hutson.
[Edited on 1-19-2005 by whiskybear]
January 19, 2005 at 09:26AM View BBCode
Originally posted by ME
Jerry Rice.
How is this even an argument?
Because Don Hutson stood out among his peers far greater than even Rice, and because he revolutionized football in a similar way to how Babe Ruth influenced baseball. Just as Ruth dragged baseball out of the dark ages and into the live ball era, Hutson made the NFL into a much more vertical game, and helped to rescue it from the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" mentality that still prevails among 2A teams in Eastern Oregon.
But I wouldn't expect an irreverant stat-head to care about any of this, so you're free to love Jerry Rice, a pick which can be as easily justified as Hutson.
[Edited on 1-19-2005 by whiskybear]
DougB
Question: What NFL player averaged the most TD catches per game in his career?
Answer: No it is not Jerry Rice, it's Don Hutson.
Consider in one season he had 17 TD catches. Then consider the leagues leading passer the previous season had 15 TD's. I don't think Randy Moss is going to have 54 TD catches next season.
A 2-time MVP Hutson once scored 29 points in a quarter. That's right in one quarter. There was nobody in his day who could do anything remotely like him. I can respect if people think Rice was the best all-time. But nobody ever dominated like Hutson.
January 19, 2005 at 09:29AM View BBCode
FYI - I believe Hutson also had something like 37 interceptions in his career.Question: What NFL player averaged the most TD catches per game in his career?
Answer: No it is not Jerry Rice, it's Don Hutson.
Consider in one season he had 17 TD catches. Then consider the leagues leading passer the previous season had 15 TD's. I don't think Randy Moss is going to have 54 TD catches next season.
A 2-time MVP Hutson once scored 29 points in a quarter. That's right in one quarter. There was nobody in his day who could do anything remotely like him. I can respect if people think Rice was the best all-time. But nobody ever dominated like Hutson.
whiskybear
Solid point. I forget to include his credentials and versality as a two-way player.
Hell, Troy Brown has more INTs than boring old Jerry Rice! :P ;)
January 19, 2005 at 09:46AM View BBCode
Originally posted by DougB
FYI - I believe Hutson also had something like 37 interceptions in his career.
Question: What NFL player averaged the most TD catches per game in his career?
Answer: No it is not Jerry Rice, it's Don Hutson.
Consider in one season he had 17 TD catches. Then consider the leagues leading passer the previous season had 15 TD's. I don't think Randy Moss is going to have 54 TD catches next season.
A 2-time MVP Hutson once scored 29 points in a quarter. That's right in one quarter. There was nobody in his day who could do anything remotely like him. I can respect if people think Rice was the best all-time. But nobody ever dominated like Hutson.
Solid point. I forget to include his credentials and versality as a two-way player.
Hell, Troy Brown has more INTs than boring old Jerry Rice! :P ;)
ME
Hutson may have invented the position, but Rice perfected it.
January 19, 2005 at 04:53PM View BBCode
Babe Ruth didn't bring Baseball out of the dead era, a rule change (pitchers no longer being able to alter the ball) did. Ruth was just the best player of the new era.Hutson may have invented the position, but Rice perfected it.
drunkengoat
Five.
Super.
Bowls.
And let us not forget... He's an alumnus from a distinguished... Right... Mississippi institution of higher learning. We gotta feel proud of something down here.
Without that athlete to look up to... Aside from football... we're left with what... Rafael Palmeiro? :P
January 19, 2005 at 05:38PM View formatted
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Indeed.
Five.
Super.
Bowls.
And let us not forget... He's an alumnus from a distinguished... Right... Mississippi institution of higher learning. We gotta feel proud of something down here.
Without that athlete to look up to... Aside from football... we're left with what... Rafael Palmeiro? :P
ME
January 19, 2005 at 06:41PM View BBCode
Hutson played in the 30s and 40s, before anyone cared about football, and when pretty much all good athletes played baseball. He also played during WW2 instead of fighting (lousy coward), and had his best season during the war.
lvnwrth
I believe most people would say you're simply wrong in your assessment of Babe Ruth.
While I agree with you on Rice being the best (not the "perfecting" part), Whiskybear makes strong, valid arguments for Hutson.
January 19, 2005 at 07:21PM View BBCode
Originally posted by ME
Babe Ruth didn't bring Baseball out of the dead era, a rule change (pitchers no longer being able to alter the ball) did. Ruth was just the best player of the new era.
Hutson may have invented the position, but Rice perfected it.
I believe most people would say you're simply wrong in your assessment of Babe Ruth.
While I agree with you on Rice being the best (not the "perfecting" part), Whiskybear makes strong, valid arguments for Hutson.
FuriousGiorge
January 19, 2005 at 07:28PM View BBCode
ME's version of events is simplified, but it's safe to say that baseball changed in the 20's due to a lot of different factors and not simply the force of will of one jolly fat man from Baltimore.
Meathead44
Rice is the best receiver in NFL history.
January 19, 2005 at 07:56PM View BBCode
Hutson is the most dominant receiver in NFL history.Rice is the best receiver in NFL history.
farfetched
I'm just glad no one's even come close to uttering the words Randy Moose, or Bum Leg Eagle Guy.
January 19, 2005 at 08:03PM View BBCode
Always easily resolved by a Meathead. :DI'm just glad no one's even come close to uttering the words Randy Moose, or Bum Leg Eagle Guy.
whiskybear
And the invention of the forward pass is how Don Hutson became such a dominant receiver.
Ruth was hitting home runs before the rule change; he hit even more afterward. He brought the sport, and the home run, to the attention of fans, and got managers thinking about playing the long ball.
Hutson showcased how the NFL can be a vertical game, and got more people looking to throw downfield.
January 19, 2005 at 08:30PM View BBCode
Originally posted by ME
Babe Ruth didn't bring Baseball out of the dead era, a rule change (pitchers no longer being able to alter the ball) did. Ruth was just the best player of the new era.
Hutson may have invented the position, but Rice perfected it.
And the invention of the forward pass is how Don Hutson became such a dominant receiver.
Ruth was hitting home runs before the rule change; he hit even more afterward. He brought the sport, and the home run, to the attention of fans, and got managers thinking about playing the long ball.
Hutson showcased how the NFL can be a vertical game, and got more people looking to throw downfield.
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