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Clemens gets $18M!
January 21, 2005 at 07:58PM View BBCode
One year, $18M. At first glance it is too much for anyone, especially a 42 year old, but Houston sells out every home game that Clemens pitches, so they are going to make considerably more money with him pitching. I doubt he will be as good as last year when he had a 2.98 ERA and was the NL's 2nd best pitcher but he should still be a good pitcher.
anjo25
January 21, 2005 at 08:08PM View BBCode
he wont be such a great pitcher, but if he fills the house, it should be great for the astros.
disciple
"His decision to stay is one of the few bright spots in an otherwise miserable offseason for the Astros. All-Star second baseman Jeff Kent left to sign with Los Angeles, All-Star center fielder Carlos Beltran departed to sign with the New York Mets, center fielder Lance Berkman tore up a knee playing flag football at a church function and promising but injured pitcher Wade Miller was let go."
-ESPN
January 21, 2005 at 08:20PM View BBCode
Last season he wasn't required to even show up unless it was his day to pitch."His decision to stay is one of the few bright spots in an otherwise miserable offseason for the Astros. All-Star second baseman Jeff Kent left to sign with Los Angeles, All-Star center fielder Carlos Beltran departed to sign with the New York Mets, center fielder Lance Berkman tore up a knee playing flag football at a church function and promising but injured pitcher Wade Miller was let go."
-ESPN
Meathead44
January 21, 2005 at 09:23PM View BBCode
He's worth it. Also keep in mind, this is about the 5th time in his career that he's been done and won't be a very good pitcher anymore.
youngallstar
Good point.
Anjo: the Astros arent a complete wreck. They could still cause some waves in the NL central with that pitching staff.
January 21, 2005 at 09:26PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Meathead44
He's worth it. Also keep in mind, this is about the 5th time in his career that he's been done and won't be a very good pitcher anymore.
Good point.
Anjo: the Astros arent a complete wreck. They could still cause some waves in the NL central with that pitching staff.
lvnwrth
He also doesn't travel with the team on road trips. He flies in the night before he's scheduled to pitch and flies home after the game. This was part of the agreement last year in getting him to "un-retire".
January 21, 2005 at 10:01PM View BBCode
Originally posted by disciple
Last season he wasn't required to even show up unless it was his day to pitch.
He also doesn't travel with the team on road trips. He flies in the night before he's scheduled to pitch and flies home after the game. This was part of the agreement last year in getting him to "un-retire".
Smocko
Roger Clemens: $18 million
Carlos Beltran: $10 million
January 22, 2005 at 12:12AM View BBCode
'05 Salaries:Roger Clemens: $18 million
Carlos Beltran: $10 million
Railroad
January 22, 2005 at 07:21AM View BBCode
Clemens brings much to the table with the young staff behind him and Andy. He fills the house as well when he is on the mound. Takes care of himself and puts his family first. This was the reason for the different flying rules and being allowed to go back home. My understanding was that he pays his own way in that not the team. He is like Nolan Ryan was at the end of his career. . .solid. He has a chance everytime he takes the mound to dominate the game. He shows no fear to the hitters that have been slamming other pitchers out of the park. So in the short of it. . .is he worth it? Depends on who it is facing him.
anjo25
That may be, but there hitting isnt what it used to be.
January 22, 2005 at 02:04PM View BBCode
Originally posted by youngallstar
Originally posted by Meathead44
He's worth it. Also keep in mind, this is about the 5th time in his career that he's been done and won't be a very good pitcher anymore.
Good point.
Anjo: the Astros arent a complete wreck. They could still cause some waves in the NL central with that pitching staff.
That may be, but there hitting isnt what it used to be.
abarkov
January 22, 2005 at 04:01PM View formatted
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Hmm, 18 wins last year, that's a cool million a win. Not bad.
skierdude44
January 22, 2005 at 09:52PM View BBCode
18-4 and a 2.98 era last year are very very good numbers no matter how old you are but they are even more impressive coming from a 41 year old. 18 mill is a lot for a guy who doesn't pitch very deep into the game anymore though, but with those numbers and the added revenue he brings in he is well worth it.
Jedi_Pimp
January 24, 2005 at 06:57AM View BBCode
pitching wise, clemens aint worth it. He shouldnt have even won the damn cy young last year. he was clearly not the best pitcher. but astros will pack the house and get their money back and some. so they will get their money back and have a good pitcher. it looks to be a winning situation for the astros.
FuriousGiorge
January 24, 2005 at 06:04PM View BBCode
If Roger Clemens didn't actually deserve the Cy Young last year (and I'm not saying he didn't), he was at the very least one of the 3 best pitchers in the National League. So maybe 18 million is a bit of a stretch for any player, but Clemens earned that money as much with his arm as with his drawing power. And as I said before, it's a 1-year deal, so if Clemens does age badly this year the Astros will be off the hook for the money after the season's up.
Jedi_Pimp
January 24, 2005 at 07:34PM View BBCode
top 3 aint the best. Cy young is suppose to go to the best not one of the best. He got the cy young cuz it was a feel good story and all the bullshit.
FuriousGiorge
January 24, 2005 at 07:41PM View BBCode
No, he got it because he had 18 wins, and voters like wins. Don't get your panties all in a bunch over it - it was a defensible choice. Not the choice I would have made, but not a terrible choice either. I'll never understand why people get so upset about award voting. Get upset about wins and losses, about postseason triumphs and failures, not about silly awards which really don't mean much in the end.
drunkengoat
Clemens could've been a GOD in Boston, but no... Had to chase the money.
Curt Schilling walks in for ONE season and negates every single year Clemens spent in Boston building a fanbase and then some by immortalizing himself as a member of the 2004 Boston Red Sox... I love it.
January 24, 2005 at 08:03PM View BBCode
RED SOX NATION, BABY, YEAH!!!Clemens could've been a GOD in Boston, but no... Had to chase the money.
Curt Schilling walks in for ONE season and negates every single year Clemens spent in Boston building a fanbase and then some by immortalizing himself as a member of the 2004 Boston Red Sox... I love it.
FuriousGiorge
Roger Clemens couldn't care less what the people in Boston think. He got his rings, he's got his awards, he's got his numbers and he will have his HOF plaque. Do you think he spends one second thinking about how beloved he could have been in Boston?
January 24, 2005 at 08:07PM View BBCode
Boston people are so cute. They think everyone cares about being a well-remembered player in Boston.Roger Clemens couldn't care less what the people in Boston think. He got his rings, he's got his awards, he's got his numbers and he will have his HOF plaque. Do you think he spends one second thinking about how beloved he could have been in Boston?
drunkengoat
January 24, 2005 at 08:09PM View BBCode
I think so. You never forget your first love. :D
drunkengoat
January 24, 2005 at 08:10PM View BBCode
I know that if I were a player drafted by the Devil Rays, got traded to the Yankees 8 years into my career and then somewhere down the road got to see the Devil Rays actually win the World Series, I'd be wondering what it would have been like had I not signed the big contract.
FuriousGiorge
January 24, 2005 at 08:19PM View BBCode
Well yeah, if you had never been part of a winner anywhere else. But Clemens won in New York, twice, so why would he spend any time thinking about the single title he could have been a part of in Boston?
Jedi_Pimp
I dont care the clemens won the cy young, its just a shame that the idiots voting didnt look at stats. they just saw some bullshit feel good story about him coming out for 1 last go of it. and it obviously wasnt his last go of it cuz here he is again. It just sad when the best pitcher doesnt get the pitching award for being the best pitcher cuz the voters voted with their hearts instead their heads.
January 24, 2005 at 10:08PM View BBCode
clemens made the right choice leaving boston. he got the best of both worlds. a fat check and his ring. Boston was no where near a world series contender when he left. who wants to play for a loser?I dont care the clemens won the cy young, its just a shame that the idiots voting didnt look at stats. they just saw some bullshit feel good story about him coming out for 1 last go of it. and it obviously wasnt his last go of it cuz here he is again. It just sad when the best pitcher doesnt get the pitching award for being the best pitcher cuz the voters voted with their hearts instead their heads.
FuriousGiorge
January 24, 2005 at 10:22PM View BBCode
You're wrong - the voters do vote with their heads, and they vote for the stats. It's just that they value wins and winning percentage over everything else. They didn't vote for him because it made them feel good; no one feels good about Roger Clemens winning yet another Cy Young Award. Seriously, the vote was all about wins triumphing over ERA in terms of valuing a pitcher. I guess it's a shame the voters can't use more advanced metrics but in the end I think I'm glad that they don't. The Cy Young and MVP are fun because they ARE subjective and because sometimes they go to undeserving or less-deserving players, but if they just went to the player with the highest VORP or the most Win Shares then what would be the fun in that?
jetpac
January 25, 2005 at 12:06AM View BBCode
I can't help wondering if he'll be nearly as good this year. If he has an ERA of 5.89 they won't be selling out every time he pitches.
Jedi_Pimp
January 25, 2005 at 01:55AM View BBCode
yeah but its just sad that when the best pitcher doesnt get the award for being the best pitcher. And they most not look that hard at wins and winning percentage. pavano and schmidt had better winning percentages with the same amount of wins. even oswalt had 20 wins over clemens 18. they voted for that feel good story of clemens coming back for one more season. johnson had beaten clemens in every aspect but wins. give johnson the astros line up and he wins 20 games easily instead of 16. but thats here nor there.Pages: 1 2