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DeVeau31
THIS JUST IN!!!
February 07, 2005 at 09:23PM View BBCode
Tom Brady is 9-0 in his career in the playoffs.
FuriousGiorge
February 07, 2005 at 10:04PM View BBCode
That's nice. I believe I will eat a stick of butter tonight to celebrate.
hobos
[Edited on 2-7-2005 by hobos]
February 07, 2005 at 10:38PM View BBCode
And 5 of those were won by a field goal, including all 3 SBs. That doesn't prove he isn't good, but seriously, give it a break. No one outside of New England would have the balls to say Brady is a great QB ('cause he ain't :P )[Edited on 2-7-2005 by hobos]
Jedi_Pimp
February 07, 2005 at 10:51PM View BBCode
bill is 10-1. so is it brady or the coach? or maybe just maybe its a team sport and brady aint shit.
youngallstar
Brady aint sh!t? If he wins 4 superbowls in 5 years than will he be a decent QB? Or no?
February 07, 2005 at 11:00PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jedi_Pimp
bill is 10-1. so is it brady or the coach? or maybe just maybe its a team sport and brady aint <b>[Censored]</b> .
Brady aint sh!t? If he wins 4 superbowls in 5 years than will he be a decent QB? Or no?
arodtoo
February 07, 2005 at 11:04PM View BBCode
Brady is a greta Qb in the sense that he doesn't fold under pressure, he has a ccurate arm, he won't go throw for 5,000 yards or 40 TDs, he doesn't need to, he does what is needed to win, he guides his team to the superbowl and wins everytime. Manning has great stats, as does Mcnabb, as does Cullpepper, look at where it has gotten them, 0, yes ZERO, Superbowl Rings
1tim412
Or is it really the refs who are 9-0? Tuck rule anyone? Had that play been called correctly then Brady would only have 2 SBs and a 6-1 in the playoffs.
[Edited on 2-8-2005 by 1tim412]
February 08, 2005 at 12:28AM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
Tom Brady is 9-0 in his career in the playoffs.
Or is it really the refs who are 9-0? Tuck rule anyone? Had that play been called correctly then Brady would only have 2 SBs and a 6-1 in the playoffs.
[Edited on 2-8-2005 by 1tim412]
ABDREW
What is this years loser excuse btw? Last year we were too physical, in 2001 we paid off the officials??? come on, make this one a good one......
February 08, 2005 at 01:03AM View BBCode
for the love of god will you sore ass losers just give the team the repect they deserve. They have beat EVERYONE that they were asked to.What is this years loser excuse btw? Last year we were too physical, in 2001 we paid off the officials??? come on, make this one a good one......
youngallstar
February 08, 2005 at 01:21AM View BBCode
Donovan ate too much chunky soup. Thats the only reason the Pats won.
hobos
February 08, 2005 at 02:17AM View BBCode
It's unfortunate, but if a good player leads a great team to a dynasty, that player becomes great. Look at Derek Jeter, a pretty good SS but hardly great, but ask several fans and he's the best player in baseball
youngallstar
February 08, 2005 at 02:52AM View BBCode
Brady is a good QB and he does what he has to do to win games. Any team would be lucky to have him.
Smocko
Brady is a machine. Never shows emotion, barely ever misses a throw or throws an interception. I couldn't imagine rooting for him.
[Edited on 2-8-2005 by Smocko]
February 08, 2005 at 02:58AM View BBCode
Look, he's a great quarterback. Many of us just happen to hate him and his team.Brady is a machine. Never shows emotion, barely ever misses a throw or throws an interception. I couldn't imagine rooting for him.
[Edited on 2-8-2005 by Smocko]
youngallstar
Thats as close to a compliment for Brady/Boston that you will ever see from Smocko
February 08, 2005 at 03:03AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Smocko
Look, he's a great quarterback. Many of us just happen to hate him and his team.
Brady is a machine. Never shows emotion, barely ever misses a throw or throws an interception. I couldn't imagine rooting for him.
[Edited on 2-8-2005 by Smocko]
Thats as close to a compliment for Brady/Boston that you will ever see from Smocko
1tim412
February 08, 2005 at 03:39AM View BBCode
Are you saying the Colts would have won the SB with Brady the last 2 years?
youngallstar
I am saying that Brady knows what it takes to win.
February 08, 2005 at 03:41AM View BBCode
Originally posted by 1tim412
Are you saying the Colts would have won the SB with Brady the last 2 years?
I am saying that Brady knows what it takes to win.
1tim412
Now did he learn that in high school biology or is it genetic?
February 08, 2005 at 03:44AM View BBCode
Originally posted by youngallstar
Originally posted by 1tim412
Are you saying the Colts would have won the SB with Brady the last 2 years?
I am saying that Brady knows what it takes to win.
Now did he learn that in high school biology or is it genetic?
skierdude44
Tom Brady is a very good quarterback. I don't think anybody can reasonably dispute that. He consistently throws for 3,000+ yards 20+ TDs and less than 15 INTs a year. But he isn't the best quarterback in the league. This year was the first year that he threw for over 7 yards per completions. And this year his YPC was just middle of the pack. Once again that doesn't mean that he is bad but it doesn't mean that he is the greatest QB of this era and deserves to go straight into the HOF as some writers are suggesting. And one very interesting stat about the Patriots during Brady's tenure, every time they have made the playoffs and gone on to win the Super Bowl their defense was ranked in the Top 10 in the league (in total defense) the one year that they missed the playoffs and went 9-7 (2002) their defense was ranked 17th. Does anyone else notice a trend here? And as far as Brady being able to do what it takes to win well, Trent Dilfer was able to do that and won a Super Bowl, Brad Johnson was able to do that and won a Super Bowl but neither of these guys will go down as great quarterbacks because doing what it takes to win for them meant throwing smart, safe passes and giving the defense (both had tremendous defenses) good field position and letting them get the job done.
Brady would not have 3 Super Bowl rings in 4 years if he played for Indy. That isn't because he isn't a good QB it's because Indy has no defense and unless Tom Brady doubles as a middle linebacker he won't help that cause. Football is a team game, more so than any other sport. In basketball one player can go on a hot streak and take over the game and almost single handedly win the game. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. In baseball one or two guys can carry a team to victory occassionally. In football that is not possible. Everything depends on the play of your teammates around you. It doesn't matter how accurate your arm is if your receivers can't shake the coverage or if your line can't give you time to throw. It doesn't matter how fast, powerful, or elusive a runningback is if his line can't open holes for him and his passing game can't atleast project some kind of threat so the defense doesn't just stack the box with everyone. On defense coverage depends on pressure and pressure depends on coverage. Everyone needs to be in their assigned zone or spot to stop the play. It's a team game. The Patriots are a great team full of great players with a great coaching staff and a great front office. THEY are 9-0 in the playoffs since 2001 and Tom Brady has been their starting quarterback during that time. That's it. Period. There is no Tom Brady is 9-0, no, the Patriots are 9-0.
February 08, 2005 at 12:28PM View BBCode
Ok first of all this stat is wrong. Tom Brady is not 9-0 in the playoffs. For Tom Brady to be 9-0 in the playoffs he would need to play every position on his team. The correct stat is that the Patriots are 9-0 in the playoffs during the time that Tom Brady has been their starting QB.Tom Brady is a very good quarterback. I don't think anybody can reasonably dispute that. He consistently throws for 3,000+ yards 20+ TDs and less than 15 INTs a year. But he isn't the best quarterback in the league. This year was the first year that he threw for over 7 yards per completions. And this year his YPC was just middle of the pack. Once again that doesn't mean that he is bad but it doesn't mean that he is the greatest QB of this era and deserves to go straight into the HOF as some writers are suggesting. And one very interesting stat about the Patriots during Brady's tenure, every time they have made the playoffs and gone on to win the Super Bowl their defense was ranked in the Top 10 in the league (in total defense) the one year that they missed the playoffs and went 9-7 (2002) their defense was ranked 17th. Does anyone else notice a trend here? And as far as Brady being able to do what it takes to win well, Trent Dilfer was able to do that and won a Super Bowl, Brad Johnson was able to do that and won a Super Bowl but neither of these guys will go down as great quarterbacks because doing what it takes to win for them meant throwing smart, safe passes and giving the defense (both had tremendous defenses) good field position and letting them get the job done.
Brady would not have 3 Super Bowl rings in 4 years if he played for Indy. That isn't because he isn't a good QB it's because Indy has no defense and unless Tom Brady doubles as a middle linebacker he won't help that cause. Football is a team game, more so than any other sport. In basketball one player can go on a hot streak and take over the game and almost single handedly win the game. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. In baseball one or two guys can carry a team to victory occassionally. In football that is not possible. Everything depends on the play of your teammates around you. It doesn't matter how accurate your arm is if your receivers can't shake the coverage or if your line can't give you time to throw. It doesn't matter how fast, powerful, or elusive a runningback is if his line can't open holes for him and his passing game can't atleast project some kind of threat so the defense doesn't just stack the box with everyone. On defense coverage depends on pressure and pressure depends on coverage. Everyone needs to be in their assigned zone or spot to stop the play. It's a team game. The Patriots are a great team full of great players with a great coaching staff and a great front office. THEY are 9-0 in the playoffs since 2001 and Tom Brady has been their starting quarterback during that time. That's it. Period. There is no Tom Brady is 9-0, no, the Patriots are 9-0.
arodtoo
February 08, 2005 at 02:47PM View BBCode
Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer also had 2 of the top defenses ever. If i remember correctly Baltimore set the record fro fewest points allowed in a season, and Tampa was darn close to that. Yeah Brady isn't teh Best QB in the league, but when it comes to winning there isn't someone better, he doesn't fold under pressure(a la McNabb or Manning) and he is consistent, can't ask for more from a QB, and yeah they heave good defenses, but they weren't amazingly great, they have beaten better defenses such as Pitts.
skierdude44
The point is that Tom Brady is a good player that plays on a great team. The New England Patriots have done an unbelieveable job of scouting and developing talent, coaching, and coming up with a system that is very hard to stop. Put Brady on most other teams and he probably wouldn't have any rings. For example, Indy has an amazing offense. Great runningback, tremendous wide receivers, good tight ends and a pretty good line, as well as a terrific QB. Their defense is horrendous. Aside from Dwight Freeney who is a bit undersized and somewhat of a one dimensional player although he is a hell of a pass rusher they have absolutely NOTHING. It doesn't matter who the quarterback of that team is, until they improve the defense they will not win. I don't think any quarterback in the prime of their career in the history of the NFL could win with that defense.
If I gave you a choice between Tedy Bruschi and Ray Lewis to play middle linebacker for your team who would you pick? Bruschi has three rings and Lewis has one, but as good as Bruschi is (he is a hell of a player) Ray Lewis is better. Faster, stronger, etc. The same goes for Brady. He is a good player but in individual abilities he is not as good in most of them as some of the other top QB's.
Since this is a baseball site I'll use a baseball analogy. Derek Jeter has 4 World Series rings, a World Series MVP, an Allstar MVP, a gold glove, and has been named to the AL Allstar team numerous times. Despite all of those achievements most people think that he isn't even the best shortstop on his team. He and Brady are comparable in a lot of ways. Neither will put up superhuman numbers but they are very consistent and put up very nice numbers. They both became team leaders at a very young age and have enjoyed a lot of success. Both have been tagged as clutch players who come up in the biggest games and there is some evidence to back that up. However Derek Jeter is looked at by most of America as overrated and people do not believe that he is "clutch." Tom Brady on the other hand is looked at as the best quarterback in the league and underrated (if you can believe that) by most of America. Is there something that I'm missing? It just doesn't make sense. How can one be overrated and one be underrated when they are almost mirror images of eachother (except they play different sports)? The one major difference (besides the fact that they play different sports) is that Jeter plays both offense and defense and Brady only plays offense.
February 08, 2005 at 08:11PM View BBCode
My point about Johnson and Dilfer is that they too did "what they needed to do in order to win" as someone said before. The point is that statement means nothing. And Manning didn't choke against the Patriots this year, his defense couldn't stop Cory Dillon. Now I'm not saying that Manning played his best game but his numbers aside from touchdowns were not bad and you need to keep in mind how uneven the clock control was in that game. But that isn't the point.The point is that Tom Brady is a good player that plays on a great team. The New England Patriots have done an unbelieveable job of scouting and developing talent, coaching, and coming up with a system that is very hard to stop. Put Brady on most other teams and he probably wouldn't have any rings. For example, Indy has an amazing offense. Great runningback, tremendous wide receivers, good tight ends and a pretty good line, as well as a terrific QB. Their defense is horrendous. Aside from Dwight Freeney who is a bit undersized and somewhat of a one dimensional player although he is a hell of a pass rusher they have absolutely NOTHING. It doesn't matter who the quarterback of that team is, until they improve the defense they will not win. I don't think any quarterback in the prime of their career in the history of the NFL could win with that defense.
If I gave you a choice between Tedy Bruschi and Ray Lewis to play middle linebacker for your team who would you pick? Bruschi has three rings and Lewis has one, but as good as Bruschi is (he is a hell of a player) Ray Lewis is better. Faster, stronger, etc. The same goes for Brady. He is a good player but in individual abilities he is not as good in most of them as some of the other top QB's.
Since this is a baseball site I'll use a baseball analogy. Derek Jeter has 4 World Series rings, a World Series MVP, an Allstar MVP, a gold glove, and has been named to the AL Allstar team numerous times. Despite all of those achievements most people think that he isn't even the best shortstop on his team. He and Brady are comparable in a lot of ways. Neither will put up superhuman numbers but they are very consistent and put up very nice numbers. They both became team leaders at a very young age and have enjoyed a lot of success. Both have been tagged as clutch players who come up in the biggest games and there is some evidence to back that up. However Derek Jeter is looked at by most of America as overrated and people do not believe that he is "clutch." Tom Brady on the other hand is looked at as the best quarterback in the league and underrated (if you can believe that) by most of America. Is there something that I'm missing? It just doesn't make sense. How can one be overrated and one be underrated when they are almost mirror images of eachother (except they play different sports)? The one major difference (besides the fact that they play different sports) is that Jeter plays both offense and defense and Brady only plays offense.
Jedi_Pimp
February 08, 2005 at 09:20PM View formatted
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brady is just a average QB. nothing more. You put manning with the pats and they destroy every team by 20-40 points. The pats were top 10 in every defensive catogory. maybe not as good as the BUCs or ravens but still very productive. brady gets way to much credit. It doesnt hurt that dillon was 60 yards away from the rushing title and he shared a fair amount of time with faulk. brady doesnt even call his own plays for crying out loud. Marino, manning they run the offense and call the plays. brady just waits for the plays.
andrew
I know, that lazy-ass.
I doubt many people (aside from whisky) will argue that Brady is better then Manning, but Brady is certainly better then an average QB.
A lot have people have pointed out the fact that the Pats win a lot of close games. Maybe Brady doesn't have many Elway type drives, but I don't think it is a coincidence that they pull out so many close games.
February 08, 2005 at 09:31PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jedi_Pimp
brady doesnt even call his own plays for crying out loud. Marino, manning they run the offense and call the plays. brady just waits for the plays.
I know, that lazy-ass.
Originally posted by Jedi_Pimp
brady is just a average QB. nothing more. You put manning with the pats and they destroy every team by 20-40 points. The pats were top 10 in every defensive catogory. maybe not as good as the BUCs or ravens but still very productive. brady gets way to much credit. It doesnt hurt that dillon was 60 yards away from the rushing title and he shared a fair amount of time with faulk.
I doubt many people (aside from whisky) will argue that Brady is better then Manning, but Brady is certainly better then an average QB.
A lot have people have pointed out the fact that the Pats win a lot of close games. Maybe Brady doesn't have many Elway type drives, but I don't think it is a coincidence that they pull out so many close games.
Jedi_Pimp
I am not saying he is lazy genius. I simply saying manning calls his own plays, he is a good enough QB to know what plays to call. Marino had the same thing. Brady has someone feeding him the plays cuz he doesnt know what to call.
" Maybe Brady doesn't have many Elway type drives, but I don't think it is a coincidence that they pull out so many close games. "
THEY is the keyword in that sentence. just cause brady drives a whole 20 yards and adam kicks a field goal. that more adam than brady. Can you show me brady working the no huddle with great results? I cant think of a time probably cuz he cant call his own plays.
February 09, 2005 at 12:09AM View BBCode
Brady is an average QB. you put almost any other starting QB in his spot and they excel just as well if not better. If brady was so great how come he didnt do anything at michigan? If you remember back in 98 i believe syracuse beat michigan and guess who was the starting QB at syracuse? donovan was.I am not saying he is lazy genius. I simply saying manning calls his own plays, he is a good enough QB to know what plays to call. Marino had the same thing. Brady has someone feeding him the plays cuz he doesnt know what to call.
" Maybe Brady doesn't have many Elway type drives, but I don't think it is a coincidence that they pull out so many close games. "
THEY is the keyword in that sentence. just cause brady drives a whole 20 yards and adam kicks a field goal. that more adam than brady. Can you show me brady working the no huddle with great results? I cant think of a time probably cuz he cant call his own plays.
ABDREW
I don't know why I felt the need to repond to this post because it is probably the least well informed of all in this thread. Maybe I'm just hoping to help you out a little.
Read any article by any well know NFL writer and they will tell you Brady is one of the most intelligent QBs in the league. How many Patriot games have you seen? Do you watch what Brady does at the line? He makes constant calls and adjustments there once he sees the D. Your boy Manning was so good at making his own calls that he scored a whopping 3 points in this years AFC championship and 5 picks in the previous years. Wonderful Job.
As far as succesful 2 minute drills he has run, I can think of quite a few. The Superbowl in 2001 and 2003 come to mind.
BTW if you have to reach back to 1998 to pick a point where your guy played better you really should put that point in your argument
February 09, 2005 at 02:11AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jedi_Pimp
Brady is an average QB. you put almost any other starting QB in his spot and they excel just as well if not better. If brady was so great how come he didnt do anything at michigan? If you remember back in 98 i believe syracuse beat michigan and guess who was the starting QB at syracuse? donovan was.
I am not saying he is lazy genius. I simply saying manning calls his own plays, he is a good enough QB to know what plays to call. Marino had the same thing. Brady has someone feeding him the plays cuz he doesnt know what to call.
" Maybe Brady doesn't have many Elway type drives, but I don't think it is a coincidence that they pull out so many close games. "
THEY is the keyword in that sentence. just cause brady drives a whole 20 yards and adam kicks a field goal. that more adam than brady. Can you show me brady working the no huddle with great results? I cant think of a time probably cuz he cant call his own plays.
I don't know why I felt the need to repond to this post because it is probably the least well informed of all in this thread. Maybe I'm just hoping to help you out a little.
Read any article by any well know NFL writer and they will tell you Brady is one of the most intelligent QBs in the league. How many Patriot games have you seen? Do you watch what Brady does at the line? He makes constant calls and adjustments there once he sees the D. Your boy Manning was so good at making his own calls that he scored a whopping 3 points in this years AFC championship and 5 picks in the previous years. Wonderful Job.
As far as succesful 2 minute drills he has run, I can think of quite a few. The Superbowl in 2001 and 2003 come to mind.
BTW if you have to reach back to 1998 to pick a point where your guy played better you really should put that point in your argument
Jedi_Pimp
As far as succesful 2 minute drills he has run, I can think of quite a few. The Superbowl in 2001 and 2003 come to mind.
i dont remember the exacts but didnt adam kick a 43 yarder? That aint exactly a chip shot. like i said, i couldnt think of a time but that doenst mean it doesnt happen. it escaped me. brady intelligent? thats deabatable but i will give him credit for not making a lot of bone head plays. Mostly because he doesnt have to carry the team on his back. he doesnt have to force throws. he knows he is surrounded by high quality players who will pick up the slack for him. He calls audibles? every QB calls audibles when they feel the pressure. thats a gimme.
Yea peyton isnt my boi but he is hell of a QB. He might not have played the greatest but thats in part to the defense he played against. Give the Defense some credit. But at the same time you have to realize if peyton doesnt make things happen the colts they are royally screwed. So he has to make iffy calls and try to fit the ball in tight spots. Peyton knows the only way his team is gonna win is if he racks up a lot of points cuz the defense isnt gonna stop anybody. You pointed out 2 bad games by manning, how about the season? yea what he do again? oh just that lil thing, breaking marino's single season touchdown record.
February 09, 2005 at 05:43AM View BBCode
As far as succesful 2 minute drills he has run, I can think of quite a few. The Superbowl in 2001 and 2003 come to mind.
i dont remember the exacts but didnt adam kick a 43 yarder? That aint exactly a chip shot. like i said, i couldnt think of a time but that doenst mean it doesnt happen. it escaped me. brady intelligent? thats deabatable but i will give him credit for not making a lot of bone head plays. Mostly because he doesnt have to carry the team on his back. he doesnt have to force throws. he knows he is surrounded by high quality players who will pick up the slack for him. He calls audibles? every QB calls audibles when they feel the pressure. thats a gimme.
Yea peyton isnt my boi but he is hell of a QB. He might not have played the greatest but thats in part to the defense he played against. Give the Defense some credit. But at the same time you have to realize if peyton doesnt make things happen the colts they are royally screwed. So he has to make iffy calls and try to fit the ball in tight spots. Peyton knows the only way his team is gonna win is if he racks up a lot of points cuz the defense isnt gonna stop anybody. You pointed out 2 bad games by manning, how about the season? yea what he do again? oh just that lil thing, breaking marino's single season touchdown record.
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