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Schef33
My opinion is that it is Alfonso Soriano
(just kidding)
Who is the best player of all time?
August 15, 2003 at 06:27PM View BBCode
Just looking at the Albert Pujos topic I was wondering what you think.My opinion is that it is Alfonso Soriano
(just kidding)
Schef33
August 15, 2003 at 06:31PM View BBCode
Well you really cant say one player is the best but If I had to chose Id say Babe Ruth was one of them
skierdude44
1. ruth
2. willams or dimaggio (their interchangeable.)
4 mays
5 jackie robinson.
bonds could soon move in to this group.
August 15, 2003 at 07:31PM View BBCode
top five r:1. ruth
2. willams or dimaggio (their interchangeable.)
4 mays
5 jackie robinson.
bonds could soon move in to this group.
ME
jackie robinson was important for off the field stuff in integrating baseball but is not a top 10 player himself. Cal ripken belongs here as well, for the streak making people forget some about the strike and being popular but on the field wasnt a superstar, even though he was very good.
for on field only talent behind ruth its Bonds, Mays, Williams as the best.
August 15, 2003 at 08:12PM View BBCode
for on and off field stuff its still ruth for making baseball popular and being so good.jackie robinson was important for off the field stuff in integrating baseball but is not a top 10 player himself. Cal ripken belongs here as well, for the streak making people forget some about the strike and being popular but on the field wasnt a superstar, even though he was very good.
for on field only talent behind ruth its Bonds, Mays, Williams as the best.
jvo1
August 15, 2003 at 08:17PM View BBCode
Jim Brown. ;) Unless your going to narrow it down to just baseball, then I might go with Bonds.
Meathead44
That being said. I make a couple of distinctions. I believe the greatest players are probably the more modern players. Send Barry Bonds back to the 1920's and he'd be a baseball god (until he got strung up). Now, talk about the most dominating players and that brings up a bunch of different names. Babe Ruth was the most dominant baseball player of all time. No player stands out in baseball history like Babe Ruth did.
JVO brought up Jim Brown. Is he the best football player of all time? I don't think he was even the best running back of all time. I think if some of the more recent backs played in Cleveland with all those HoFers, they would have put up even better numbers. But, Jim Brown is probably the most dominant player of all time. My uncle worked as a film editor for NFL Films and he put together some tapes of players like Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Earl Campbell for me. Watching them was a real treat. Jim Brown probably gained 3,000 yards in his career on fear alone. Yes, I said fear. Defensive Backs actually ran away from him when he was coming their way. That is domination.
August 15, 2003 at 08:52PM View BBCode
"Best Player" is so hard to define. Comparing guys from different generations is impossible. If you took a time machine and picked up Ruth and brought him into today's game, would he still stand out? Well, he'd see some pitches that he hadn't seen before. He'd see some color in the game that he hadn't seen before. Guys are alot bigger and alot stronger than before. Parks are smaller. It's not the same game. This is true for every sport. I happen to think that the superstars of any era could probably play in any era.That being said. I make a couple of distinctions. I believe the greatest players are probably the more modern players. Send Barry Bonds back to the 1920's and he'd be a baseball god (until he got strung up). Now, talk about the most dominating players and that brings up a bunch of different names. Babe Ruth was the most dominant baseball player of all time. No player stands out in baseball history like Babe Ruth did.
JVO brought up Jim Brown. Is he the best football player of all time? I don't think he was even the best running back of all time. I think if some of the more recent backs played in Cleveland with all those HoFers, they would have put up even better numbers. But, Jim Brown is probably the most dominant player of all time. My uncle worked as a film editor for NFL Films and he put together some tapes of players like Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Earl Campbell for me. Watching them was a real treat. Jim Brown probably gained 3,000 yards in his career on fear alone. Yes, I said fear. Defensive Backs actually ran away from him when he was coming their way. That is domination.
jvo1
He once scored 55 points in a high school basketball game while at Manhasset High School in New York and Brown finished 5th in the national decathlon championship. At Syracuse University, Brown was an All-American in football and lacrosse, in addition to lettering in basketball. Not many people know that Jim Brown is the only athlete to be a member of more than one Hall of Fame as a player with his induction into both football and lacrosse.
Yes, I copied some of this, but I knew it anyway, and didnt want to type it. He's my fav athlete of all time.
August 15, 2003 at 09:29PM View BBCode
wow, Meathead agreed with me on Jim Brown. (kinda) To see him play is a real treat. The man would use his forearms as weapons. Not only is he the best RB in my opinion, he's one of the best runners, and not to narrow it down there, but maybe the best athlete of all time. He only played football for 9 years, if he had played 15 or so like Emmitt, he might've had 18000 yards. Not to mention his 5.2 yards per carry in his career. He won the NFL rushing title 8 of the 9 seasons he played, played in 9 straight Pro Bowl games during his career, was the first player to win rookie of the year and league MVP in the same season, won the league MVP award twice, in addition to winning the Hickok Award as the top pro athlete. And he never missed a game! What made him so great was the passing game was nothing compared to what it is today; it wasnt developed. 9 guys would key on Brown (some would run, as Meathead said) and he would still dominate.He once scored 55 points in a high school basketball game while at Manhasset High School in New York and Brown finished 5th in the national decathlon championship. At Syracuse University, Brown was an All-American in football and lacrosse, in addition to lettering in basketball. Not many people know that Jim Brown is the only athlete to be a member of more than one Hall of Fame as a player with his induction into both football and lacrosse.
Yes, I copied some of this, but I knew it anyway, and didnt want to type it. He's my fav athlete of all time.
Meathead44
He is considered the greatest LaCrosse player of all time.
August 15, 2003 at 09:50PM View BBCode
Last add on Jim Brown:He is considered the greatest LaCrosse player of all time.
HollywoodOz
Bo Jackson.
August 15, 2003 at 10:14PM View formatted
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Place this one in the 'would have been the best if not for..." category.
Bo Jackson.
jvo1
August 15, 2003 at 10:34PM View BBCode
"When asked to compare himself to Bo Jackson, Brown was insulted. He said not to ask him to compare himself with a half a season guy who didnâ??t have to play in snow and with blood in his nose or every third and one situation. Bo Jackson is a very fortunate person to play for a coach who allows him to be a designated hitter and to have Marcus Allen, whoâ??s very accommodating. "
HollywoodOz
August 15, 2003 at 11:44PM View BBCode
Different times, my friend. But I dare say if Bo had to, he'd have played in such conditions in a second.
Lastchance
August 15, 2003 at 11:52PM View BBCode
Bo should not even be considered in this topic! The only thing he was best at was...the best player to ever come out of Auburn! Oh by the way, best ever player...the Splendid Splinter, Ted Williams!!:cool:
Keth
August 16, 2003 at 12:25AM View BBCode
If you add "would have been the best if not for" category , I would have to mention Mickey Mantle. If not for terrible leg problems and a love of the grape, how many home runs would he have hit? How many bases could he have stolen? how high would his lifetime BA have been? I think a healthy, sober Mantle could have finished his career with a .320 BA, made a run at the all-time HR record, and stolen as many bases as his manager would allow. Even in an era when SB were in a down cycle, I think he could have finished with 400 or more. --- Still, my vote goes to Ruth. Big reason is his dominance as a hitter coupled with his record as a pitcher. Talk about an "all-round" player. ;)
skierdude44
August 16, 2003 at 12:36AM View BBCode
the amazing thing about ruth is is that he did all that in the twenties and thirties in huge ballparks off dominant pitchers with worse equipment and shorter seasons. i think that if u transport ruth to this era with the smaller stadiums the better equipment and medicine and every thing else he would of hit atleast 800 homers prollly closer to 900. and he wuz a great pitcher too.
farfetched
8 more strikeouts than homeruns for his career... I doubt that'd have changed if he'd had 4 or 5 more seasons to his name.
And let's not forget that magnificent streak.
Granted, I do believe his being a Yankee cheated Ted Williams out of a couple MVPs, but I mean to take none away from either. DiMaggio gets my nod.
August 16, 2003 at 01:00AM View BBCode
Joe DiMaggio. A great defensive player and a right handed hitter who was able to hit homeruns in a much-larger-than-now Yankee Stadium. Shipping him home from the war for him to play in his prime years would have left no dispute, imo...8 more strikeouts than homeruns for his career... I doubt that'd have changed if he'd had 4 or 5 more seasons to his name.
And let's not forget that magnificent streak.
Granted, I do believe his being a Yankee cheated Ted Williams out of a couple MVPs, but I mean to take none away from either. DiMaggio gets my nod.
luv2bunt
Sluggers: Ruth, Aaron,McGuire, Sousa,and Bonds.
Hitters: Cobb, Gehrig, Williams, Musial and Rose.
The best fielder on the infield I have ever seen play I have to say is Omar Visquel.
The best fielding outfielder I've ever seen play was Ritchie Ashburn.
The Best catcher I ever saw play is Johnny
Bench.
The best pitchers I ever saw in person are Bob Feller, Whitey Ford, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson , Gaylord Perry, Nolen Ryan and Kurt Schilling.
My favorite mgrs: Stengal, Berra, Weaver,Anderson, La Russa, Lasorda, and Joe Tore.
Greatest competitors:Billy Martin and Pete Rose.
:D
Greatest Baseball Players of All time.
August 16, 2003 at 01:38AM View BBCode
Thats a loaded questiom.Iam 65 and have been going to major league games since 1954. I've seen some great ones but it would'nt be fair to rate them against each other because of different circumstances:Sluggers: Ruth, Aaron,McGuire, Sousa,and Bonds.
Hitters: Cobb, Gehrig, Williams, Musial and Rose.
The best fielder on the infield I have ever seen play I have to say is Omar Visquel.
The best fielding outfielder I've ever seen play was Ritchie Ashburn.
The Best catcher I ever saw play is Johnny
Bench.
The best pitchers I ever saw in person are Bob Feller, Whitey Ford, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson , Gaylord Perry, Nolen Ryan and Kurt Schilling.
My favorite mgrs: Stengal, Berra, Weaver,Anderson, La Russa, Lasorda, and Joe Tore.
Greatest competitors:Billy Martin and Pete Rose.
:D
ME
August 16, 2003 at 04:27AM View BBCode
babe ruth was so dominant, one year he hit 44 home runs and the second place guy hit 21.
FuriousGiorge
August 16, 2003 at 05:07AM View BBCode
I think you got your story a bit confused: in 1920, Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs, and no other TEAM hit more than 50 combined
ME
1926:
Ruth 47HR
H Wilson 21HR
1921:
Ruth 59HR
B Meusel 24HR
K Williams 24HR
he went .378-59-171 that year, no one else has gone .350-50-150
1920:
Ruth 54HR
G Sisler 19HR
in 1927 when he hit 60HR Gehrig hit 47.
August 16, 2003 at 05:31AM View BBCode
i didnt know he did that in 1920, that just adds on to accomplishments, but what i mixed up the numbers a little since he actually hit 47 not 46 in the year i was referring to (1926) but i went back and checked HR leaders from 1920-1927 and found this, so he actually did what i said 3 times, and did what you said that is amazing and is why he is no doubt the best ever.1926:
Ruth 47HR
H Wilson 21HR
1921:
Ruth 59HR
B Meusel 24HR
K Williams 24HR
he went .378-59-171 that year, no one else has gone .350-50-150
1920:
Ruth 54HR
G Sisler 19HR
in 1927 when he hit 60HR Gehrig hit 47.
ME
Hack Wilson went .356-56-191 in 1930 for the Cubs.
August 16, 2003 at 05:41AM View BBCode
i meant .360-50-160Hack Wilson went .356-56-191 in 1930 for the Cubs.
Bob
The rest of my top 10 is difficult to rank in order, but includes Ted Williams, Cobb, Mays, Mantle, Honus Wagner, Barry Bonds, Musial, Gehrig and DiMaggio. Some of the Negro League players would be in this class as well, but it's hard to judge since they didn't get to play these guys (what a shame). Of course I'm also excluding pitchers from this list.
In my lifetime (I'm 36), the top 5 players I've seen play, in no particular order, are Bonds, Henderson, Schmidt, McGwire and Bench.
The top 10 in total win shares according to Bill James: Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Aaron, Mays, Cy Young, Tris Speaker, Musial, Eddie Collins and Mantle. Some other interesting players: Williams is 12th, Rose is 13th, Rickey Henderson is 14th, Bonds is 16th, Gehrig is 21st and DiMaggio is 56th.
August 16, 2003 at 12:18PM View BBCode
To me, it is an easy call -- Ruth is the greatest player of all time. He dominated and changed the game like nobody ever had -- or ever will again.The rest of my top 10 is difficult to rank in order, but includes Ted Williams, Cobb, Mays, Mantle, Honus Wagner, Barry Bonds, Musial, Gehrig and DiMaggio. Some of the Negro League players would be in this class as well, but it's hard to judge since they didn't get to play these guys (what a shame). Of course I'm also excluding pitchers from this list.
In my lifetime (I'm 36), the top 5 players I've seen play, in no particular order, are Bonds, Henderson, Schmidt, McGwire and Bench.
The top 10 in total win shares according to Bill James: Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Aaron, Mays, Cy Young, Tris Speaker, Musial, Eddie Collins and Mantle. Some other interesting players: Williams is 12th, Rose is 13th, Rickey Henderson is 14th, Bonds is 16th, Gehrig is 21st and DiMaggio is 56th.
happy
1 Ruth, who can really argue with him
2 Bonds, record holder for OBP and Slugging in a season, and is always intentionally walked, because everyone is scared of him
3 Walter Johnson, won over 400 games with a horrible team behind him. Yes, they did win the world series behind him, but he was old by then
4 Ted Williams he is awesome, and could have broken the Homers record if he hadnt served in the Air Force
and i dont know who else, but walter Johnson should definately be in the top 5.
August 16, 2003 at 05:32PM View BBCode
Hey, does anyone remember pitching here? no one named a pitcher in their top 51 Ruth, who can really argue with him
2 Bonds, record holder for OBP and Slugging in a season, and is always intentionally walked, because everyone is scared of him
3 Walter Johnson, won over 400 games with a horrible team behind him. Yes, they did win the world series behind him, but he was old by then
4 Ted Williams he is awesome, and could have broken the Homers record if he hadnt served in the Air Force
and i dont know who else, but walter Johnson should definately be in the top 5.