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happy
I hate the beatles
September 04, 2003 at 05:37PM View BBCode
go ahead, start the bashing, but it is the boy band of the 60s, the pre-backstreet boys, except they are better for making their own music, and actually being able to play instruments, but their music sounds like backstreet boys on drugs or something
FuriousGiorge
September 04, 2003 at 05:54PM View BBCode
I'm sorry happy but you come up with some of the dumbest topics. "Cats vs. Dogs"? Congratulations, you don't like the Beatles. No one said you have to. I think Gorillaz is vastly inferior to Blur, but I don't feel the need to make a topic about it.
happy
September 04, 2003 at 07:12PM View BBCode
blur is kinda slow for my tastes, and their songs arent interesting. I was afraid the other topic would be screwed up because everyone would talk about the beatles, so i just started this.
Duff77
September 04, 2003 at 09:59PM View BBCode
Eh, I never cared much for the Beatles, and back in the early years I think it's arguable they had boy band status. But besides the fact that they wrote their own songs, they wrote some of the most innovative and creative ones. That's not from me, of course--that's from brainy music types who understand that kind of stuff. Personally, I can take or leave them.
skierdude44
September 06, 2003 at 02:15AM View BBCode
i dont like em that much but i have to say that they r bettr than most of that rock crap today and gorrillaz crap.
andrew
Okay, that is just asking to start a debate. Sorry ;)
September 06, 2003 at 02:25AM View BBCode
And certainly better then 50 cent... yup...Okay, that is just asking to start a debate. Sorry ;)
skierdude44
September 06, 2003 at 02:44AM View BBCode
hey happys got his gorrillaz u got ur beatles i cant have my fitty. this is partly a generation gap i dont think that ppl like happy, ME, me, and bravesluver like the beatles bcuz we r either too young or not born so we dont remember them. look some eighty year old could come on here and bash the beatles and say frank sinatra wuz the best kinda wut u do u wit 50.
BravesLuver
September 06, 2003 at 02:50AM View BBCode
True, I am younger than most. I still have respect for the Beatles, but I must say that music nowadays is better, of course that's opinion. I don't want to start a whole thing, it is basically what decade were you born? Most of the time that, or the next decade is your favorite music decade. Mine makes it the '90s, and I have liked the 90s and 2000s+, if I got a choice, System of a Down, Korn and Metallica come before the Beatles. But I still like Styx and Queen :D
andrew
That was another joke before you get all offended.
September 06, 2003 at 02:50AM View BBCode
First off I was joking. Second off I can guarantee that there is a very small generation gap between you and I. It is mearly an intelligence gap. ;)That was another joke before you get all offended.
BravesLuver
[sarcasim] I am sooooo smarter [/sarcasim]
See? lol
September 06, 2003 at 02:52AM View BBCode
lol andrew. We all need sarcasim brackets so that we can all see when everyone else is joking :P[sarcasim] I am sooooo smarter [/sarcasim]
See? lol
happy
September 08, 2003 at 03:47AM View formatted
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actually i figured everyone likes the beatles because i think every one of my friends like the beatles
farfetched
By far, 'Get Back' and 'Nowhere Man' are about the best I can come up with regarding the Beatles.
That said, Chris Cornell should ditch Audioslave and reform Soundgarden, re-release 'Badmotorfinger' and start from there. If he doesn't, he can go jump in a lake. I only say this because Pearl Jam still owns, and neither Alice in Chains nor Nirvana can do this as parts of their lineup are dead at this point.
Maybe a Temple of the Dog reunion... maybe...
September 08, 2003 at 04:15AM View BBCode
Songs like 'Penny Lane' and 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds' own... The girly stuff they did to get popular causes me to gag.By far, 'Get Back' and 'Nowhere Man' are about the best I can come up with regarding the Beatles.
That said, Chris Cornell should ditch Audioslave and reform Soundgarden, re-release 'Badmotorfinger' and start from there. If he doesn't, he can go jump in a lake. I only say this because Pearl Jam still owns, and neither Alice in Chains nor Nirvana can do this as parts of their lineup are dead at this point.
Maybe a Temple of the Dog reunion... maybe...
FuriousGiorge
One of the things that makes me sad about my generation is the rosy glow of nostalgia with which they tend to view grunge music. I grew up on that music too, but then I grew up, and I realized that it all sounds like the same rehashed, heavy metal-through-a-flannel-funnel crap. 10 years from now on VH1's "I love the 90's", some young hip 20-something will wax poetic about their old Candlebox records. Give me "Revolver" or "Abbey Road" any day.
September 08, 2003 at 04:32AM View BBCode
"Own"? Man, I'm definitely not down with the hip, hip lingo these days.One of the things that makes me sad about my generation is the rosy glow of nostalgia with which they tend to view grunge music. I grew up on that music too, but then I grew up, and I realized that it all sounds like the same rehashed, heavy metal-through-a-flannel-funnel crap. 10 years from now on VH1's "I love the 90's", some young hip 20-something will wax poetic about their old Candlebox records. Give me "Revolver" or "Abbey Road" any day.
farfetched
...So I use the word 'own' a little more than I should. I'm a possessive guy, and I like owning things myself. Sue me.
September 08, 2003 at 04:48AM View BBCode
I don't have a nostalgic view of grunge music. My taste is still growing, actually, seeing as I was locked in my room until I was about 17, didn't get my own cd player till I was 18, and didn't buy my first cd until I was 18 and a half... I hadn't even heard of Nirvana or Soundgarden until just recently, and seeing as I technically missed the majority of my teen years to boredom at home (no cable, no internet, no chance to get a job as i had no car, no friends to pick me up, and mom being scared to death to drive faster than 20 mph) I'm more or less reliving my teen years here in my 20s, however sad or pathetic that may be....So I use the word 'own' a little more than I should. I'm a possessive guy, and I like owning things myself. Sue me.
RSS
Of course a generation of Baby Boomers continue to embrace the Beatles as the defining band of our youth, but I think the Beatles will always do real well on the second scale, too. So will Sinatra. So will Miles Davis. So will the songs of Cole Porter and George Gershwin.
Will Nirvana? Will Fitty? Will Korn? I'm too old to make that call. I can tell why they appeal to their fans, but they don't particularly appeal to me. My guess is that, as FuriousGiorge said, grunge rock is eventually going to sound about as formulaic as most of the pop stuff I loved -- and still love -- from the '60s. But the Beatles were a serious cut about, and always ahead. That's why their music has lasted.
Maybe U2 will last. Maybe Springsteen. Maybe R.E.m. -- but maybe not. It usually comes down to the songs and the melodies. If you can hum it or sing it at a wedding, it's got a chance. "Wild Thing" was a hell of a lot of fun in 1966, when I was 14, but wasn't much of a song. Who's writing great songs today?
September 09, 2003 at 11:16PM View BBCode
There are two ways to look at music: what did you love when you were 14, and what will appeal to people who weren't even alive when you were 14, besides the music of their own era.Of course a generation of Baby Boomers continue to embrace the Beatles as the defining band of our youth, but I think the Beatles will always do real well on the second scale, too. So will Sinatra. So will Miles Davis. So will the songs of Cole Porter and George Gershwin.
Will Nirvana? Will Fitty? Will Korn? I'm too old to make that call. I can tell why they appeal to their fans, but they don't particularly appeal to me. My guess is that, as FuriousGiorge said, grunge rock is eventually going to sound about as formulaic as most of the pop stuff I loved -- and still love -- from the '60s. But the Beatles were a serious cut about, and always ahead. That's why their music has lasted.
Maybe U2 will last. Maybe Springsteen. Maybe R.E.m. -- but maybe not. It usually comes down to the songs and the melodies. If you can hum it or sing it at a wedding, it's got a chance. "Wild Thing" was a hell of a lot of fun in 1966, when I was 14, but wasn't much of a song. Who's writing great songs today?
skierdude44
September 09, 2003 at 11:32PM View BBCode
speaking of writing their own songs i kno that singer/ song writers ruled the 60s. i have respect for that bcuz i hate these ppl who sing the song but its not even their own work. thats one reason i have respect for rappers yea pac and biggie wrote their own songs. yea so do jay-z nas dmx eminem nelly 50 cent etc. i dont really kno about rock bcuz i dont listen to it or buy the cds. i kno groups like nsync and ppl like britney spears have no talent. some one else writes their songs and more than half the time they r singing through a synthesizer so u never really hear their own voice. i have a lot of respect for diddy bcuz he works really hard to make bad boy records wut it is and on his own music. i will never forget last year at the vmas when he had every one in the world on stage with him and ppl hanging from the ceiling he is really dedicated. so r guys like eminem and 50 cent but unfortunately that gets over shadowed by ems totally justified hatred for his mom and the 9 bullets 50 took. believe it or not they both work really hard and try to produce the best music they can and not just make money albums with crap on them like ja rule. in my opinion em 50 and diddy will last bcuz they have the work ethic. i think that pac and big will last bcuz of their work and their mystery. i kno that they mystery surrounding them is interesting to me and many others. and old school rap i think that run-dmc will last.
andrew
"so strange I remember you in protest of a prayer
and falling back from seas we fear to sail
I swear I saw the shooter, gold deep and double dare
post modern warnings seem inclined to fail
feigning an apology
those words they never left your lips
those 5 years in Bermuda slide by like the lights of passing ships
so strange that I remember you
kneeling deep in Nietzscheâ??s lies
my throat was an open grave I drank your stained glass eyes
and they taste like dead cathedrals
that are crumbling beneath a weight ten thousand jaded tourists
whoâ??ve traded in their hearts and hands for
disposable cameras, set to document decay
set to capture just enough of life to catalogue the things we throw away
breathing the fumes of our machines
weâ??ve lost our way
breathing through television dreams
if we could only see us now.
the words of the dead ring in our ears
but its only a lie
the voice in your head brings you to tears
but you donâ??t know why.
but it's only a lie,
yes, its only a lie...isn't it?"
plus 10 cool points if you know whos lyrics those are.
September 09, 2003 at 11:43PM View BBCode
Honestly I think as people grow up many of them will outgrow rap or at least 50 cent style rap (sorry skier) guys like eminem will probably stick around but that is mostly because he writes meaningfull lyrics. That is really what makes music stick IMO (and I have not been around nearly long enough to have a great opinion ;) )"so strange I remember you in protest of a prayer
and falling back from seas we fear to sail
I swear I saw the shooter, gold deep and double dare
post modern warnings seem inclined to fail
feigning an apology
those words they never left your lips
those 5 years in Bermuda slide by like the lights of passing ships
so strange that I remember you
kneeling deep in Nietzscheâ??s lies
my throat was an open grave I drank your stained glass eyes
and they taste like dead cathedrals
that are crumbling beneath a weight ten thousand jaded tourists
whoâ??ve traded in their hearts and hands for
disposable cameras, set to document decay
set to capture just enough of life to catalogue the things we throw away
breathing the fumes of our machines
weâ??ve lost our way
breathing through television dreams
if we could only see us now.
the words of the dead ring in our ears
but its only a lie
the voice in your head brings you to tears
but you donâ??t know why.
but it's only a lie,
yes, its only a lie...isn't it?"
plus 10 cool points if you know whos lyrics those are.
Anonymous
Anyway most of Tupacs lyrics are aimed toward the innercity mothers and children and trying to support the end of violence in the ghetto...of course there are other songs that dont fall under that category and Im sure one of you would have pointed them out...But to start on one that does is a song called "Changes." Also, another song is "Keepin' Your Head Up." Im going to look up some good lyrics and will probably post them...unless of course I am wrong.
September 10, 2003 at 12:14AM View BBCode
I actually think some of the most meaningful lyrics came from Tupac Shakur...I actually believe more from him then 50 Cent or Eminem...well maybe not Eminem but its close...Eminem is just pretty funny and does produce meaningful lyrics...50 cent is more appealing because of his style which I like for a rapper...the way his puts his rhymes together.Anyway most of Tupacs lyrics are aimed toward the innercity mothers and children and trying to support the end of violence in the ghetto...of course there are other songs that dont fall under that category and Im sure one of you would have pointed them out...But to start on one that does is a song called "Changes." Also, another song is "Keepin' Your Head Up." Im going to look up some good lyrics and will probably post them...unless of course I am wrong.
Cubsfan13
September 10, 2003 at 12:18AM View BBCode
I think pac, jay z, biggie, naz, and eminem's rap will be remembered for a while but I doubt people will really remember 50 Cent as much. All of those rappers actually gave/give a message.
Cubsfan13
September 10, 2003 at 12:21AM View BBCode
Sorry was apparently typing at same time as anonymous and pointed out a lot of same things. FYI Saturday is the anniversary of Tupac's death.
Schef33
Actually these aren't really the most meaningful ones but the ones without uses of profanity.
"Dear Mama"--Tupac Shakur--3rd verse
"I remenise cause through tha drama, I can always depend on my mama
and when it seems that i'm hopeless
you say tha words that can get me back in focus
when I wuz sick as a little kid
ta keep me happy theres no limit to tha things ya did
and all my childhood memories
are full of all tha sweet things ya did for me
and even though I act craaaazy
I got ta thank tha Lord that ya maaaade me
There are no words that can express how I feel, Ya never kept a secret, always stayed real
and I appreciate how ya raised me
and all tha extra love that ya gave me
I wish I could take tha pain away
If you can make it through tha night, there's a brighter day
everything'll be alright if ya hold on it's a strugle everyday gotta roll on
and there's no way I can pay ya back
but my plan is ta show ya that I understand
you are appreciated......."
September 10, 2003 at 12:23AM View BBCode
That last post was mine and these are lyrics to a song I left out...Called "Dear Mama" He wrote this song to his mother.Actually these aren't really the most meaningful ones but the ones without uses of profanity.
"Dear Mama"--Tupac Shakur--3rd verse
"I remenise cause through tha drama, I can always depend on my mama
and when it seems that i'm hopeless
you say tha words that can get me back in focus
when I wuz sick as a little kid
ta keep me happy theres no limit to tha things ya did
and all my childhood memories
are full of all tha sweet things ya did for me
and even though I act craaaazy
I got ta thank tha Lord that ya maaaade me
There are no words that can express how I feel, Ya never kept a secret, always stayed real
and I appreciate how ya raised me
and all tha extra love that ya gave me
I wish I could take tha pain away
If you can make it through tha night, there's a brighter day
everything'll be alright if ya hold on it's a strugle everyday gotta roll on
and there's no way I can pay ya back
but my plan is ta show ya that I understand
you are appreciated......."
Cubsfan13
September 10, 2003 at 01:18AM View BBCode
Wow a Beatles conversation has turned into Tupac, not a bad thing IMO though.
skierdude44
September 13, 2003 at 04:31AM View BBCode
also thugz mansion wuz pacs work. nas put together the video. if u have ever seen the video u can see the message that he wuz trying to display. there are many other songs by pac with good messages. in dear momma he also gives alittle insight into the life of most kids growing up in the ghetto without their fathers. "aint nobody tell us it wuz fair. no luv for my daddy cuz the coward wuznt there. he passed away and i didnt cry. cuz my anger wouldnt let me feel for a stranger. they say im wrong and im heartless but all along i wuz lookin for a father -- he wuz gone. i hung around wit tha thugz and even though they sold drugs they showed a young brotha luv. i moved out and started really hangin. needed money of my own so i started slangin. i aint guilty cuz i sell rocks. it feels good puttin money in ur mailbox. i luv payin rent when tha rents due. i hope ya got the diamond necklace that i sent to u cause when i wuz low u wuz there for me. ya never left me alone cuz i cared for me. and i see u comin home from work late. ya in the kitchen tryin to fix us a hot plate. just workin wit tha scraps u wuz given and mama made miracles every thanksgiving. but the road got rough, youre alone tryin to raise two bad kids on ur own and theres no way i can pay ya back but my plan is to show u that i understand. you r appreciated..." now no1 can say that that aint great music. eminem is funny and yea his lyrics do have some meaning but they are mainly about how his mother mistreated him his problems with his wife or his love for his daughter. yea the ones schef and i quoted from pac were about his mother but he has songs like changes and thugz mansion that r about every1 and equality. "I see no changes. all i see is racist faces. misplaced hate makes disgrace to races. we under i wonder what it takes to make this one better place. take the evil out the people theyll be actin rite. cuz both black and white is smokin crack tonite. the only time we chill is when we kill each other. it takes skill to be real, try to heal eachother. and although it seems heaven sent... we aint ready to see a black president, uhh. the penitentiary's packed and its filled with blacks. but some things will never change. try to show another way but u stayin in the dope game. now tell me wuts a motha to do bein real dont appeal to tha brotha in u. u gotta operate the easy way 'i made a g today' but u made it in a sleazy way sellin crack to tha kid. 'i gotta get paid' well hey, well thats just the way it is..." perfect example of pacs feelings on equality. its a true tragedy that such a great persons life wuz cut short like that. and people say biggie did it or suge knight did it but it wuznt them. it wuz some racist bastard.