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DougB
Delehanty McGee... 5,048
Frank Bigelow........ 4,878
George Jones........ 4,867
Jeremy Siegel........ 4,678
Lenny McBride....... 4,622
Big Mike Smith....... 4,605
Jimmy Leinwand.... 4,572
Tom Macha............ 4,500
Ari Mantilla............. 4,466
Mark Pareve.......... 4,423
William Z. Foster.... 4,418
Martin Asher.......... 4,378
Jeriamiah Black...... 4,348
Hickory Whip......... 4,329
Bob Shannon........ 4,297
John "Jax" Morris... 4,256
P. "Rabitt" Coletta 4,157
Orlando Cooper..... 4,139
Max Santana Jr...... 4,020
Josh Gibson........... 3,816
Paul Jay Johnstone 3,731
Kid Esix................. 3,711
Maddox Downs..... 3,670
Luis Solorzano...... 3,566
Red Bindle............ 3,563
Tom Jimmy............ 3,556
L. "Lumpy" Nelson 3,543
Rocky Ruth........... 3,480
Jack Kemp............ 3,448
Toby Toby............ 3,433
Tucker Anthony.... 3,431
Freddie Fritsch..... 3,400
Raoul Duke.......... 3,386
Bobby Riggs......... 3,354
Tim Flynn.............. 3,350
Josh Pavano......... 3,350
Reese Seaver....... 3,348
Whiffle Head........ 3,278
Manny Clark........ 3,266
Brandon Stick...... 3,257
Charlie Torre...... 3,241
Tommy Pavlitch... 3,237
Momo McRae....... 3,188
Slick Rick Leonard 3,172
Frankie Roosevelt 3,156
Cole Shofar.......... 3,131
Monte Sinai.......... 3,127
Rupert Jones........ 3,117
Omar Davis.......... 3,105
Eddie Hughes...... 3,104
Sadaharo Leadfoot 3,087
King Archer........... 3,078
Phil McKay............ 3,024
Barry Lowe........... 3,017
Eliseo Lugo.......... 3,006
Rolla Jordan......... 3,002
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Roy Solorzano........ 5,361
Delehanty McGee... 5,048
Frank Bigelow........ 4,878
George Jones........ 4,867
Jeremy Siegel........ 4,678
Lenny McBride....... 4,622
Big Mike Smith....... 4,605
Jimmy Leinwand.... 4,572
Tom Macha............ 4,500
Ari Mantilla............. 4,466
Mark Pareve.......... 4,423
William Z. Foster.... 4,418
Martin Asher.......... 4,378
Jeriamiah Black...... 4,348
Hickory Whip......... 4,329
Bob Shannon........ 4,297
John "Jax" Morris... 4,256
P. "Rabitt" Coletta 4,157
Orlando Cooper..... 4,139
Max Santana Jr...... 4,020
Josh Gibson........... 3,816
Paul Jay Johnstone 3,731
Kid Esix................. 3,711
Maddox Downs..... 3,670
Luis Solorzano...... 3,566
Red Bindle............ 3,563
Tom Jimmy............ 3,556
L. "Lumpy" Nelson 3,543
Rocky Ruth........... 3,480
Jack Kemp............ 3,448
Toby Toby............ 3,433
Tucker Anthony.... 3,431
Freddie Fritsch..... 3,400
Raoul Duke.......... 3,386
Bobby Riggs......... 3,354
Tim Flynn.............. 3,350
Josh Pavano......... 3,350
Reese Seaver....... 3,348
Whiffle Head........ 3,278
Manny Clark........ 3,266
Brandon Stick...... 3,257
Charlie Torre...... 3,241
Tommy Pavlitch... 3,237
Momo McRae....... 3,188
Slick Rick Leonard 3,172
Frankie Roosevelt 3,156
Cole Shofar.......... 3,131
Monte Sinai.......... 3,127
Rupert Jones........ 3,117
Omar Davis.......... 3,105
Eddie Hughes...... 3,104
Sadaharo Leadfoot 3,087
King Archer........... 3,078
Phil McKay............ 3,024
Barry Lowe........... 3,017
Eliseo Lugo.......... 3,006
Rolla Jordan......... 3,002
DougB
Red Kush 2,955
Roy Hobbs 2,920
Jose Johnson 2,906
Marshal Schlesinger 2,873
Broadway James 2,870
Joseph Cannon 2,868
Red Martinez 2,863
Mickey Ireland 2,862
Ripper Evers 2,855
Moose Jablonski 2,841
Steve Wasdell 2,838
Hank Smiley 2,780
Eugene Debs 2,759
Red Barron 2,727
Billy Bainu 2,697
Charles Sumner 2,654
Brandon Phillips 2,639
Jody Crawford 2,573
Bills Nady 2,518
Bill Ruhle 2,517
Jesse Spikes 2,509
Slim Jim Wilkins 2,495
Jason Adderly 2,488
Will Score 2,475
Billy Sabo 2,463
Charles Coulomb 2,457
John Nance Garner 2,439
Crumb Bumb 2,433
Mike Meyer 2,412
Victor Martinez 2,408
Grady Sizemore 2,399
Spencer Lee 2,378
Jeffrey Springer 2,370
Max Solorzano 2,345
Kevin Maas 2,328
Zeke Wilson 2,315
Clancy Shumpert 2,311
Flick Medwick 2,307
Shawn Ferguson 2,294
Roger Sugar 2,294
Barney LaRoche 2,283
A.Y. Miller 2,278
M.B. Crabtree 2,258
Felipe Anderson 2,249
Coco Crisp 2,243
Larry Willis 2,239
Mudcat Lance 2,238
Toney Bettera 2,227
Steve Pippen 2,219
Ken Kelly 2,216
Danny Monaco 2,208
March 02, 2006 at 11:08PM View BBCode
Honorable MentionRed Kush 2,955
Roy Hobbs 2,920
Jose Johnson 2,906
Marshal Schlesinger 2,873
Broadway James 2,870
Joseph Cannon 2,868
Red Martinez 2,863
Mickey Ireland 2,862
Ripper Evers 2,855
Moose Jablonski 2,841
Steve Wasdell 2,838
Hank Smiley 2,780
Eugene Debs 2,759
Red Barron 2,727
Billy Bainu 2,697
Charles Sumner 2,654
Brandon Phillips 2,639
Jody Crawford 2,573
Bills Nady 2,518
Bill Ruhle 2,517
Jesse Spikes 2,509
Slim Jim Wilkins 2,495
Jason Adderly 2,488
Will Score 2,475
Billy Sabo 2,463
Charles Coulomb 2,457
John Nance Garner 2,439
Crumb Bumb 2,433
Mike Meyer 2,412
Victor Martinez 2,408
Grady Sizemore 2,399
Spencer Lee 2,378
Jeffrey Springer 2,370
Max Solorzano 2,345
Kevin Maas 2,328
Zeke Wilson 2,315
Clancy Shumpert 2,311
Flick Medwick 2,307
Shawn Ferguson 2,294
Roger Sugar 2,294
Barney LaRoche 2,283
A.Y. Miller 2,278
M.B. Crabtree 2,258
Felipe Anderson 2,249
Coco Crisp 2,243
Larry Willis 2,239
Mudcat Lance 2,238
Toney Bettera 2,227
Steve Pippen 2,219
Ken Kelly 2,216
Danny Monaco 2,208
docstop
March 02, 2006 at 11:21PM View BBCode
Jesse Spikes - 2509. Golly, without injuries he'd have had 4,000 points. :D;):D
TimSchere
March 02, 2006 at 11:36PM View BBCode
Just curious, Doug - how did you decide which guys to score?
DougB
anyone in the top 80 in ERA, Whip
all-stars from '50-'54 I thought had a chance...
anyone else i could find. it's pretty simple. i doubt i missed more than a handful of candidates and maybe none. i re-set my history and any player not highlighted i knew i had not done yet. then it's just cut-paste into the sheet. if anyone wants the complete excel file let me know.
March 03, 2006 at 01:53AM View BBCode
anyone in the top 100 in HR, R, RBI, Avg, OBP, Slg, hits, ERAanyone in the top 80 in ERA, Whip
all-stars from '50-'54 I thought had a chance...
anyone else i could find. it's pretty simple. i doubt i missed more than a handful of candidates and maybe none. i re-set my history and any player not highlighted i knew i had not done yet. then it's just cut-paste into the sheet. if anyone wants the complete excel file let me know.
docstop
I'm am somewhat NOT surprised to find that Tom Macha and Mark Pareve finished so close to each other. Both came up to the big leagues at the same time and had a semi-rivalry going. Macha finished at #9 overall, while Pareve finished at #11 overall. Very close.
A little surprised to see Big Mike Smith so high in the rankings. Would've thought that Billy Z. would have outranked him.
Again, very nicely done.
Monumental job
March 03, 2006 at 02:04AM View BBCode
Very nicely done, Doug. Really.I'm am somewhat NOT surprised to find that Tom Macha and Mark Pareve finished so close to each other. Both came up to the big leagues at the same time and had a semi-rivalry going. Macha finished at #9 overall, while Pareve finished at #11 overall. Very close.
A little surprised to see Big Mike Smith so high in the rankings. Would've thought that Billy Z. would have outranked him.
Again, very nicely done.
TimSchere
Big Mike debuted with 100 RBI at age 22, first of 10 times he did that. 5 more times with at least 90. Higher OBP, higher SLG than Billy...Big Mike played until he was 40, and all the late years but the last year were "plus" seasons.....
[Edited on 3-3-2006 by TimSchere]
March 03, 2006 at 02:13AM View BBCode
A typical peak vs career debate...Billy Z had the best-ever season (I think) and several oustanding ones. But he started at age 22 and didn't have a good year until he turned 25. Three amazing seasons, three pretty good ones, a handful of good ones, and a swift decline...done at age 37.Big Mike debuted with 100 RBI at age 22, first of 10 times he did that. 5 more times with at least 90. Higher OBP, higher SLG than Billy...Big Mike played until he was 40, and all the late years but the last year were "plus" seasons.....
[Edited on 3-3-2006 by TimSchere]
zuka
By the same measure, I am disheartened to learn that Tom Solimine was, in fact, a bit better than Louisville Ash. Poor Louie couldn't get the wins he pitched so hard to earn, and that no good amateur actually came from behind to surpass him.
How about Nehi Haad the second most valuable pitcher ever? That's a shocker!
March 03, 2006 at 02:15AM View BBCode
I was very surprised, yet pleased, to see that McGee finished all the way up there. Despite, the one MVP, I always felt Abe had a bit of a blind spot when it came to Deli, favoring Orlando Cooper, his contemporary and evil twin, instead.By the same measure, I am disheartened to learn that Tom Solimine was, in fact, a bit better than Louisville Ash. Poor Louie couldn't get the wins he pitched so hard to earn, and that no good amateur actually came from behind to surpass him.
How about Nehi Haad the second most valuable pitcher ever? That's a shocker!
zuka
March 03, 2006 at 02:18AM View BBCode
Most anonymous hall of famers: Bob Shannon, Raoul Duke, and Rolla Jordan. I can't say those guys ring a bell at all.
TimSchere
Roaul Duke was cloistered on the Cubbies for years. Back when you and I had almost all the A players, he was one of the few we didn't have. I tried to trade for him about 50 times.
Rolla Jordan doesn't mean much to me, either.
The guy most anonymous to me is Charlie Torre. I still can't find him.
Funny about McGee - I thought he would be the best ever, when I saw him in the draft. I thought he was somewhat disappointing for a while, but damn his career from 1971 is spotless. 12 seasons, with the worst OBP of .388, second worst SLG .511. His decline phase better than most players' best seasons.
And, finally - Solimine. Boy, he had some great seasons late in his career, in the NL.
[Edited on 3-3-2006 by TimSchere]
March 03, 2006 at 02:28AM View BBCode
Bob "Elephant" Shannon?Roaul Duke was cloistered on the Cubbies for years. Back when you and I had almost all the A players, he was one of the few we didn't have. I tried to trade for him about 50 times.
Rolla Jordan doesn't mean much to me, either.
The guy most anonymous to me is Charlie Torre. I still can't find him.
Funny about McGee - I thought he would be the best ever, when I saw him in the draft. I thought he was somewhat disappointing for a while, but damn his career from 1971 is spotless. 12 seasons, with the worst OBP of .388, second worst SLG .511. His decline phase better than most players' best seasons.
And, finally - Solimine. Boy, he had some great seasons late in his career, in the NL.
[Edited on 3-3-2006 by TimSchere]
zuka
You may remember Torre better as Charlie Tumblebug Torre. Toiled in Pittsburgh for quite a while.
Another rivalry I thought to compare was Prokopec vs Mills, but Mills is not pictured. I think the pitching list might be a bit incomplete in the honorable mention section? Other Doilies I would look for include Puhl, Decatur and Finch, but maybe they weren't as good as I remember them.
March 03, 2006 at 02:34AM View BBCode
Ah yes, Elephant Shannon, of course.You may remember Torre better as Charlie Tumblebug Torre. Toiled in Pittsburgh for quite a while.
Another rivalry I thought to compare was Prokopec vs Mills, but Mills is not pictured. I think the pitching list might be a bit incomplete in the honorable mention section? Other Doilies I would look for include Puhl, Decatur and Finch, but maybe they weren't as good as I remember them.
TimSchere
March 03, 2006 at 02:45AM View BBCode
Ah, yes. Funny I remembered one but not the other. Prokopek, at the end of the day, didn't pitch enough innings. But boy was he effective.
DougB
Dan Mecka 2,199
Trooper Dunn 2,197
Bernie Ellingsen 2,189
Buster Schlesinger 2,167
Mike Vosmik 2,164
Carl Shannon 2,163
Jose Quinn 2,147
Seams Kennedy 2,145
Huck Moore 2,113
Babe Boisclair 2,112
Glenn Goryl 2,110
Mac Abee 2,094
Fred Muhlenberg 2,089
Silk Schuyler 2,089
Bud Miller 2,055
McKay Vaughn 2,049
Judy Johnson 2,031
Howdy Brown 2,028
Don Rikkard 1,975
Bill Knowles 1,972
Babyface Bailor 1,969
Ben Ellzey 1,943
Tom Delay 1,940
Ed Brackenridge 1,937
Bud Weiser 1,923
Jerry Riske 1,911
Ray Friedrichs 1,886
Hank Blaylock 1,886
Mark Medwick 1,843
J.R. Solorzano 1,764
Taylor Hornung 1,751
March 03, 2006 at 02:29PM View BBCode
Also worthy of mention (though not as honorable)Dan Mecka 2,199
Trooper Dunn 2,197
Bernie Ellingsen 2,189
Buster Schlesinger 2,167
Mike Vosmik 2,164
Carl Shannon 2,163
Jose Quinn 2,147
Seams Kennedy 2,145
Huck Moore 2,113
Babe Boisclair 2,112
Glenn Goryl 2,110
Mac Abee 2,094
Fred Muhlenberg 2,089
Silk Schuyler 2,089
Bud Miller 2,055
McKay Vaughn 2,049
Judy Johnson 2,031
Howdy Brown 2,028
Don Rikkard 1,975
Bill Knowles 1,972
Babyface Bailor 1,969
Ben Ellzey 1,943
Tom Delay 1,940
Ed Brackenridge 1,937
Bud Weiser 1,923
Jerry Riske 1,911
Ray Friedrichs 1,886
Hank Blaylock 1,886
Mark Medwick 1,843
J.R. Solorzano 1,764
Taylor Hornung 1,751
TimSchere
Mike was a guy I hated trading away - he was traded twice more before he appeared in a game, and I eventually traded for him again. He was very steady - almost never great (see below), but never bad - and played 1B on all those good teams.
In 1982, though, he really stepped up. Ben Graham missed 26 games and Asher missed 18. Vosmik established career highs in just about every category - hits, runs, homers, RBI. He slugged .600 vs a career avg of .468. We won the WC by 7 games (the only year in that run we didn't take the division), snuck past WAS in the LCS in 7 games (it was the year Foster put up the best season in HAL history) and beat possibly the best team of all-time, the 1982 Doilies. Vosmik homered in the first inning of the first game, knocking Moody out of the box, and walked in the GW run in the 9th inning of game three.
March 03, 2006 at 05:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by DougB
Also worthy of mention (though not as honorable)
Mike Vosmik 2,164
Mike was a guy I hated trading away - he was traded twice more before he appeared in a game, and I eventually traded for him again. He was very steady - almost never great (see below), but never bad - and played 1B on all those good teams.
In 1982, though, he really stepped up. Ben Graham missed 26 games and Asher missed 18. Vosmik established career highs in just about every category - hits, runs, homers, RBI. He slugged .600 vs a career avg of .468. We won the WC by 7 games (the only year in that run we didn't take the division), snuck past WAS in the LCS in 7 games (it was the year Foster put up the best season in HAL history) and beat possibly the best team of all-time, the 1982 Doilies. Vosmik homered in the first inning of the first game, knocking Moody out of the box, and walked in the GW run in the 9th inning of game three.
TimSchere
March 03, 2006 at 05:13PM View BBCode
Doug - Did you maybe miss [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?playername=nobody&mode=stats&id=820528]Adam Smith[/url]?
DougB
Tumble Bug was an odd case. He's 13th all-time in OPS despite playing in a relative pitching or at least nuetral era. I realize there is more to life than OPS but that 13th all-time OPS is hard to ignore. There are no real major leaguers like Torre (maybe Dick Allen or Gavy Cravath?) so I can't say it is realistic but I have to have some allowance for giving the D or F health player at chance at glory.
March 03, 2006 at 05:47PM View BBCode
Adam scores 1,666. That .790 OPS kinda dooms him. A score of 1,666 is still very good. But not even close to HOF. I saw some good players get 1,000 to 1,500 like Grover Lemon from my teams. Those are the career "good player" types. Smith is a little higher... close to the Taylor Hornung/JR Solorzano guys in the 1,700's.Tumble Bug was an odd case. He's 13th all-time in OPS despite playing in a relative pitching or at least nuetral era. I realize there is more to life than OPS but that 13th all-time OPS is hard to ignore. There are no real major leaguers like Torre (maybe Dick Allen or Gavy Cravath?) so I can't say it is realistic but I have to have some allowance for giving the D or F health player at chance at glory.
TimSchere
re: Adam Smith, I was thinking a .365 career OBP was more impressive than it really is (71st all-time). Never mind!
Tim
March 03, 2006 at 07:12PM View BBCode
Not surprised to see Tumble Bug on there, I just couldn't remember him without his nickname.re: Adam Smith, I was thinking a .365 career OBP was more impressive than it really is (71st all-time). Never mind!
Tim
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As for Rolla Jordan, he was in the heart of the 89s lineup -- such as it was -- for a dozen years, driving in 100 for, I think, 9 straight years. He was like Tony Perez, except we never won the title. As I recall, we got him in a trade with Pittsburgh for a second baseman we had acquired from Detroit, but his name escapes me now. I liked the trade.
But I didn't think Rolla would make the hall. Well, somebody has to be the last guy in.
March 05, 2006 at 03:03AM View BBCode
Always great to see any list that includes Crumb Bumb.As for Rolla Jordan, he was in the heart of the 89s lineup -- such as it was -- for a dozen years, driving in 100 for, I think, 9 straight years. He was like Tony Perez, except we never won the title. As I recall, we got him in a trade with Pittsburgh for a second baseman we had acquired from Detroit, but his name escapes me now. I liked the trade.
But I didn't think Rolla would make the hall. Well, somebody has to be the last guy in.
INDIANSFORLIFE
September 05, 2006 at 05:10PM View BBCode
Kid Esix is still the pride and joy of my life.
INDIANSFORLIFE
Doin well. Moved into college and things are good, but I have more time than I foresaw I would.
September 06, 2006 at 12:44AM View BBCode
Yeah a little. I got the urge to get back in the game.Doin well. Moved into college and things are good, but I have more time than I foresaw I would.
bschuyle
I might need that long to see 500 again after this season. I mapped out my likely staff next year, and friend, it is not purrty :)
But hey we won 4 of last 6 World Series so no whining!
September 06, 2006 at 02:09AM View BBCode
We're up in Dec I think if we can talk Doug into continuing the 2nd oldest league :)I might need that long to see 500 again after this season. I mapped out my likely staff next year, and friend, it is not purrty :)
But hey we won 4 of last 6 World Series so no whining!
INDIANSFORLIFE
If this league disbands, let me know if you guys join a new league or something. Ill be on that real quick.
September 06, 2006 at 02:37AM View BBCode
Ill keep an eye on it. I may not have the patience to wait...or Ill just get two leagues. :DIf this league disbands, let me know if you guys join a new league or something. Ill be on that real quick.
lvnwrth
Two leagues, huh? Well, I don't think Cleveland is going to be available anytime soon, but I'm sure DVL would welcome you back in a heartbeat, too.
October 25, 2006 at 05:29PM View BBCode
Originally posted by INDIANSFORLIFE
Ill keep an eye on it. I may not have the patience to wait...or Ill just get two leagues. :D
If this league disbands, let me know if you guys join a new league or something. Ill be on that real quick.
Two leagues, huh? Well, I don't think Cleveland is going to be available anytime soon, but I'm sure DVL would welcome you back in a heartbeat, too.
ltuair87ha
November 09, 2006 at 07:16PM View BBCode
Nice to see Roy still at the top of the HAL list of All Time Hitters.........Pages: 1