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ironhorse2ko
Is it really inconceiveable that Albert Pujols could break Bonds record of 73 homers in a season this year? I mean, look at his stats: 49 homers in 143 gms. Remember, earlier on in the season, he was pace until his injury cost him 19 gms. In 04, he had 46 in 151 gms. Pujols is durable, and has averaged at least 158 gms a season since he started playing. In many ways, he still has not had that "season" where he puts it all together like Mantle's 56 season for example. His production numbers in both runs and rbis cite this; he has shown a trend of rising and dropping in recent seasons while his homer total appears to keep rising. Therefore, we have not seen his "best" yet.
Pujols and 73
March 19, 2007 at 02:19PM View BBCode
[color=Black]After hitting 49 homers in 143 gms last season, could Pujols get close this yr?[/color]Is it really inconceiveable that Albert Pujols could break Bonds record of 73 homers in a season this year? I mean, look at his stats: 49 homers in 143 gms. Remember, earlier on in the season, he was pace until his injury cost him 19 gms. In 04, he had 46 in 151 gms. Pujols is durable, and has averaged at least 158 gms a season since he started playing. In many ways, he still has not had that "season" where he puts it all together like Mantle's 56 season for example. His production numbers in both runs and rbis cite this; he has shown a trend of rising and dropping in recent seasons while his homer total appears to keep rising. Therefore, we have not seen his "best" yet.
FuriousGiorge
March 19, 2007 at 03:01PM View BBCode
Doesn't it all sort of depend on how much HGH he decides to use this year?
tm4559
March 19, 2007 at 03:12PM View BBCode
help me out horse. are you saying he was going to hit 25 home runs in those 19 games he missed?
lvnwrth
No, he can't get close?
Or, No, it's not inconceivable?
March 19, 2007 at 03:18PM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
no.
No, he can't get close?
Or, No, it's not inconceivable?
lvnwrth
March 19, 2007 at 03:20PM View BBCode
With Edmonds deteriorating, Rolen aging, they'd better get some bats in the lineup to protect the guy, or the Bonds record he might challenge won't be HR, but IBB. I mean seriously, why would you pitch to Pujuls if they've got Juan Encarnacion or Scott Spiezio hitting behind him?
shutout1277
March 19, 2007 at 03:25PM View BBCode
No, he won't hit 73 or more this year. And no, he would not have hit 25 in 19 games. His totals are rising every year, but they're not gonna rise this much, this year. He is a hell of a player and there is no question he could hit 73, but I don't think this will be the year.
shutout1277
March 19, 2007 at 03:26PM View BBCode
I personally don't recognize Barry Bonds' 73 a record anyway. He is a fucking fraud, and a disgrace to the game!
DeVeau31
Obviously no, he won't beat 73.
March 19, 2007 at 03:37PM View BBCode
Originally posted by lvnwrth
Originally posted by DeVeau31
no.
No, he can't get close?
Or, No, it's not inconceivable?
Obviously no, he won't beat 73.
lvnwrth
Pujols HR totals the last three years:
24 - 46
25 - 41
26 - 49
Bond's HR totals the three seasons before he hit 73:
33 - 37
34 - 34
35 - 39
If Bonds can make that kind of power leap between ages 35 and 36, then why can't Pujols doit between ages 26 and 27? Oh, yeah....the steroids thing, right? Yeah, that might have something to do with it.
I agree with you. Neither Pujols nor anyone else, now that they're testing, is likely to break Bonds record.
March 19, 2007 at 03:39PM View BBCode
Posted by shutout: "His totals are rising every year, but they're not gonna rise this much, this year. "Pujols HR totals the last three years:
24 - 46
25 - 41
26 - 49
Bond's HR totals the three seasons before he hit 73:
33 - 37
34 - 34
35 - 39
If Bonds can make that kind of power leap between ages 35 and 36, then why can't Pujols doit between ages 26 and 27? Oh, yeah....the steroids thing, right? Yeah, that might have something to do with it.
I agree with you. Neither Pujols nor anyone else, now that they're testing, is likely to break Bonds record.
lvnwrth
Why is that obvious? Based on Bonds' career totals prior to 2001, you'd have said the same thing, no? But he did it. Why not someone else?
March 19, 2007 at 03:41PM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
Obviously no, he won't beat 73.
Why is that obvious? Based on Bonds' career totals prior to 2001, you'd have said the same thing, no? But he did it. Why not someone else?
ironhorse2ko
No, not 25... but somewhere in the neighborhood of 9-12 more homers to put him around 58 (Howard's total) and 61. At his pace before the injury, that was conceiveable. By the way, nice shirt.
March 19, 2007 at 03:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559[color=Black][/color]
help me out horse. are you saying he was going to hit 25 home runs in those 19 games he missed?
No, not 25... but somewhere in the neighborhood of 9-12 more homers to put him around 58 (Howard's total) and 61. At his pace before the injury, that was conceiveable. By the way, nice shirt.
shutout1277
Fact is, Barry Bonds' name should never even be thought of when talking about the great homerun hitters of the game: Aaron,Mays,Ruth,.....Bonds?- I don't fucking think so!
That so called "record" could indeed be broken within the rules of the game regarding steriods and HGH. Pujols could indeed do it. Will he? I don't believe so, but it is not out of the question.
March 19, 2007 at 03:47PM View BBCode
Yeah, the steriods thing, has EVERYTHING to do with it.Fact is, Barry Bonds' name should never even be thought of when talking about the great homerun hitters of the game: Aaron,Mays,Ruth,.....Bonds?- I don't fucking think so!
That so called "record" could indeed be broken within the rules of the game regarding steriods and HGH. Pujols could indeed do it. Will he? I don't believe so, but it is not out of the question.
FuriousGiorge
cause Pujols is not a cheater or a roid-head. [/quote]
Really? You sure about that? I mean, considering the climate in the game today, and the fact that HGH isn't tested for, AND the fact that Pujols is a really big guy who hits a lot of home runs, isn't it at least conceivable that he uses?
March 19, 2007 at 03:54PM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by DeVeau31[/i]
cause Pujols is not a cheater or a roid-head. [/quote]
Really? You sure about that? I mean, considering the climate in the game today, and the fact that HGH isn't tested for, AND the fact that Pujols is a really big guy who hits a lot of home runs, isn't it at least conceivable that he uses?
DeVeau31
March 19, 2007 at 04:08PM View BBCode
he just seems to nice of a guy that has a true passion for the game and the history of the game.
FuriousGiorge
The entire Pujols saga has shades of the Sosa affair. There's just as much proof that Pujols is dirty as there is that Sosa was - in other words, not much except body shape and the propensity for the long ball. But as time goes by fans will find a new flavor of the month, and then they'll start asking questions that they are afraid to ask now - about how a person who is in his early-20's (as he was when he was a rookie) has thighs the size of tree trunks, and McGwire-esque forearms. And we'll go around again. Nothing changes but the names.
March 19, 2007 at 04:15PM View BBCode
Actually, most of the stories about him that aren't fawning puff pieces say that he's sullen, moody and a bit of a dick.The entire Pujols saga has shades of the Sosa affair. There's just as much proof that Pujols is dirty as there is that Sosa was - in other words, not much except body shape and the propensity for the long ball. But as time goes by fans will find a new flavor of the month, and then they'll start asking questions that they are afraid to ask now - about how a person who is in his early-20's (as he was when he was a rookie) has thighs the size of tree trunks, and McGwire-esque forearms. And we'll go around again. Nothing changes but the names.
shutout1277
March 19, 2007 at 05:22PM View BBCode
I might be bias, and I realize this will be only his 2nd full season, but this could be the future Homerun king. True story.
bobcat73
March 19, 2007 at 05:58PM View BBCode
OH my god? Albert is way to nice to do roids....I mean HGH..but for enough money to make sure my grandkids don't ever have to be janitors I guess no matter how nice you are cheating is a great idea just ask Gary Mathews jr.
tm4559
FG, i don't know what puljos did or didn't do. but this does occasionally happen as a result of genetic good luck and hard work, no?
March 19, 2007 at 06:09PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
But as time goes by fans will find a new flavor of the month, and then they'll start asking questions that they are afraid to ask now - about how a person who is in his early-20's (as he was when he was a rookie) has thighs the size of tree trunks, and McGwire-esque forearms. And we'll go around again. Nothing changes but the names.
FG, i don't know what puljos did or didn't do. but this does occasionally happen as a result of genetic good luck and hard work, no?
tm4559
[Edited on 3-19-2007 by tm4559]
kind of like this maybe?
March 19, 2007 at 06:17PM View BBCode
[Edited on 3-19-2007 by tm4559]
FuriousGiorge
The Chuck Klosterman article on Page 2 today is highly recommended.
March 19, 2007 at 06:24PM View BBCode
Honestly, I'm about 85% convinced that Pujols uses something unnatural. But I guess it's possible that he doesn't - my point was simply to say that Pujols gets a pass for reasons that are completely unclear to me. Sosa has been crucified after the fact for pretty much the same evidence that people are using to laud Pujols. It just goes to show that this whole steroids mess isn't so much about the negative effects on kids so much as it's about 1) home run records and all the transcendent numerology bullshit and 2) what goes up, must come down. Fans and media people haven't really changed their perspective on performance enhancing drugs, they've simply decided to pick a few convenient scapegoats and pretend that everyone else is clean.The Chuck Klosterman article on Page 2 today is highly recommended.
tm4559
March 19, 2007 at 06:32PM View BBCode
i always kind of liked sammy myself. i even had fun watching him play over here for the orioles. i went to the games to see him in person, sure.
shutout1277
March 19, 2007 at 06:38PM View BBCode
Sammy was a bystander of the whole Mark Mcguire scandal, made worse by "Big headed" Barry Bonds.