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JeffryX
ten seaons from now
December 21, 2003 at 11:07PM View formatted
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I know that most of the teams either lived or died with the first expansion draft. How many people are concerned that with weak drafts, they in four to five seaons we'll have big drop off in talent as the superstars from the first expansion draft retire or fade?
natehoyt83
as i understand it the lower a players rating in a specific category the greater his chance is to improve when given the opportunity. i think these players have each improved 2 or 3 times all season. i understand them not improving in endurance or velocity which is very good for both of them, but the repeated not improve in control seems to go against the formula as i understand it. esp since they are each 20 yr old. if pitchers dont improve much than how can you explain that the only top of the rotation type who has been drafted in 2 years is schilling my first pick in this years draft. i dont mean this as an insult to anyone who has gotten good pitchers from the draft. im just not sure how many of our b- sp will ever see the ball park of a rated at the rate improvements are incurred. offensively i have less complaints as i have seen several players develop from c+ to b- and c to c+ over the course of these past two seasons.
i have read posts in other leagues and looked over other leagues rosters and see where they are at after a few seasons, and see that they are way ahead of where are league would be projecting to be. i have read that there is an issue with slowing down player development because at some point every team will be filled with stars. i just think there should be a difference between next to no development and poor talent within the draft and the threat of every rotation having 3 a rated pitchers.
i have also read in some of these posts that some players have a ceiling as far as how far they will develop, but i do wonder if it could possibly occur at the age of 20.
nate
i had a good initial draft...
December 21, 2003 at 11:28PM View BBCode
but after deciding to look to the future i have been less than impressed with the sort of improvement i have seen. the new players on the whole seem to be much less talented than the initial draft, and the rate at which players improve is not particularly heartening for future success. for example i have two sp on my roster who i have or had 5 cp on all season. the only thing keeping them from top prospect status is their d- rating in control.as i understand it the lower a players rating in a specific category the greater his chance is to improve when given the opportunity. i think these players have each improved 2 or 3 times all season. i understand them not improving in endurance or velocity which is very good for both of them, but the repeated not improve in control seems to go against the formula as i understand it. esp since they are each 20 yr old. if pitchers dont improve much than how can you explain that the only top of the rotation type who has been drafted in 2 years is schilling my first pick in this years draft. i dont mean this as an insult to anyone who has gotten good pitchers from the draft. im just not sure how many of our b- sp will ever see the ball park of a rated at the rate improvements are incurred. offensively i have less complaints as i have seen several players develop from c+ to b- and c to c+ over the course of these past two seasons.
i have read posts in other leagues and looked over other leagues rosters and see where they are at after a few seasons, and see that they are way ahead of where are league would be projecting to be. i have read that there is an issue with slowing down player development because at some point every team will be filled with stars. i just think there should be a difference between next to no development and poor talent within the draft and the threat of every rotation having 3 a rated pitchers.
i have also read in some of these posts that some players have a ceiling as far as how far they will develop, but i do wonder if it could possibly occur at the age of 20.
nate
postal99
My numbers;
63 chances
9 control improvements
7 velocity improvements
3 endurance improvements
44 NON-IMPROVEMENTS
Anybody else notice this??
December 23, 2003 at 05:13AM View BBCode
I'm not that concerned about the talent available---as long as we all have the same crap to draft from. But I'm with you NATE, about the improvement (or lack thereof) chances, especially with the pitchers. I track my players improvements. I was wondering if everybody else is experiencing similar numbers with their minor league pitchers???My numbers;
63 chances
9 control improvements
7 velocity improvements
3 endurance improvements
44 NON-IMPROVEMENTS
Anybody else notice this??
DaRoosta
I tossed all my younger pitchers into the starting rotation a few weeks ago to get them some innings. The problem is they won't even stay in games long enough to get any improvement chances there, either. The pen takes over after I get rocked for 7 runs in the first 3 innings every game. Bottom line is it seems much more difficult to improve pitching than anything else.
Then we go to the draft and everyone tries to draft pitching. If you have any pick below about the fifth overall, you might as well forget about getting an impact pitcher and go for a position guy. The talent just seems to drop way off after those first few players are picked. Not to say that it's unrealistic, though, because I think the draft is actually in line with what happens in MLB, which is what a good SIM should do. But, now some of us know what it feels like to be the Pirates. No chance for success in the upcoming years, but just playing it out because we like the game.
Jeremy
Definitely
December 23, 2003 at 04:22PM View BBCode
I've pretty much given up hope in improving any pitching via CP's. After getting off to a decent start this season, the Clamdiggers absolutely tanked. I know I don't have the talent that most clubs do, but I thought I might be able to make up for some of it with a little managing. Needless to say, it hasn't worked.I tossed all my younger pitchers into the starting rotation a few weeks ago to get them some innings. The problem is they won't even stay in games long enough to get any improvement chances there, either. The pen takes over after I get rocked for 7 runs in the first 3 innings every game. Bottom line is it seems much more difficult to improve pitching than anything else.
Then we go to the draft and everyone tries to draft pitching. If you have any pick below about the fifth overall, you might as well forget about getting an impact pitcher and go for a position guy. The talent just seems to drop way off after those first few players are picked. Not to say that it's unrealistic, though, because I think the draft is actually in line with what happens in MLB, which is what a good SIM should do. But, now some of us know what it feels like to be the Pirates. No chance for success in the upcoming years, but just playing it out because we like the game.
Jeremy
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