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vurbil
September 09, 2010 at 03:03PM View BBCode
Yeah, but the All Stars are based on half a year in real MLB, so it's not an apt comparison.
khazim
1. he's on a playoff team
2. plays SS
September 09, 2010 at 08:58PM View BBCode
true but I could see an MVP not make the All-Star team if:1. he's on a playoff team
2. plays SS
Hamilton2
September 09, 2010 at 10:43PM View BBCode
Khaz, he isn't interested in a real conversation, he's just trolling the board complaining about the MVP formula everywhere he possibly can.
vurbil
Stop trolling. We're trying to have a conversation here. Do you think Marino is a top QB or not?
September 09, 2010 at 11:57PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Hamilton2
Khaz, he isn't interested in a real conversation, he's just trolling the board complaining about the MVP formula everywhere he possibly can.
Stop trolling. We're trying to have a conversation here. Do you think Marino is a top QB or not?
dirtdevil
that's funny, because i don't see the words "marino" or "quarterback" in here anywhere.
September 10, 2010 at 03:34PM View BBCode
Originally posted by vurbil
Originally posted by Hamilton2
Khaz, he isn't interested in a real conversation, he's just trolling the board complaining about the MVP formula everywhere he possibly can.
Stop trolling. We're trying to have a conversation here. Do you think Marino is a top QB or not?
that's funny, because i don't see the words "marino" or "quarterback" in here anywhere.
Originally posted by vurbil
Yeah, like how your player can win the MVP but not make the All Star game in SimD?
Hamilton2
I think that Marino was a very good QB and that he could have been a lot better on a better team.
My top 10:
1) Brett Favre - this won't be a popular view and I won't really argue it for long, but he is the only QB in NFL history who could have played and been very good in any era. He was a top 5 QB contemporary of Manning/Brady, Aikman/Elway/Marino, and I don't think that anyone has trouble imagining him playing in a Unitas/Namath or Bradshaw/Tarkenton/Staubach league either. For his longevity, versatility and two decades of above average leadership and effective play at the position, I rate him first.
2) Peyton Manning/Johnny Unitas - Manning and Unitas are, in my opinion, similar QB's from different time periods. They both completely dominated their peers and were unquestionably the best QB's during their respective careers. They both have SB wins and they both have a long history of regular season success. The thing about these 2 QB's that elevates them to 2nd all-time is that they were on the field coaches for their teams. Unitas revolutionized the game when he played. Manning is revolutionizing it today. Both of these QB's, like no others, had the responsibility of play-calling in addition to just playing the position.
4) Joe Montana/Tom Brady - Montana benefited from having the best WR of all-time for most of his prime (Jerry Rice), but it is hard to argue with postseason success. Whether you think that the Patriots cheated or not, it is hard to deny that Brady elevates his game during the playoffs. These two QB's demonstrate that it takes a special mindset to be a winner on the world's biggest sporting stage - the Super Bowl. I would take a great playoff QB over a great regular season QB anytime.
6) Steve Young - he was more mobile than any of the aforementioned QB's, and has a higher QB rating than any of them as well. Quite frankly, I think that Young gets underrated in these sorts of discussions, because he replaced a legend (Montana) and was overshadowed for much of his career by players like Elway, Marino, Aikman and Favre (as far as media attention is concerned).
7) Fran Tarkenton - from what I have heard, Tarkenton was a complete jerk, but as far as QBing in the NFL is concerned, he got the job done for a long time with a franchise that appeared in 4 super bowls, but never won one. Tarkenton is also a more mobile QB than the top 5 on my list and he was capable of making something happen by scrambling. He and Young represent what a true scrambling QB should do, IMO, which is to prolong the play and give their receiver's some more time to get open; not just take off running with the ball as Vince Young and Michael Vick do.
8) Kurt Warner - he is, in a way, the anti-Favre. Warner's career was short and stellar. He won Super Bowls. He took two franchises that were a mess and turned them into winners. He set single game and single season records. He has a great QB rating.
9/10) take your pick, really, I think that compelling arguments could be made for John Elway, Roger Staubach, or Dan Marino. I'm sure that I'm missing someone too. Players like Joe Namath or Terry Bradshaw, whose names are more impressive than their careers were; or modern QB's like Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers who could eventually merit consideration; or even Jim Kelly and Troy Aikman who are HOF's but I don't consider to be in this same elite class as the top 8.
September 10, 2010 at 05:59PM View BBCode
Define "top QB?" How many are we doing, 10? 25? 100?I think that Marino was a very good QB and that he could have been a lot better on a better team.
My top 10:
1) Brett Favre - this won't be a popular view and I won't really argue it for long, but he is the only QB in NFL history who could have played and been very good in any era. He was a top 5 QB contemporary of Manning/Brady, Aikman/Elway/Marino, and I don't think that anyone has trouble imagining him playing in a Unitas/Namath or Bradshaw/Tarkenton/Staubach league either. For his longevity, versatility and two decades of above average leadership and effective play at the position, I rate him first.
2) Peyton Manning/Johnny Unitas - Manning and Unitas are, in my opinion, similar QB's from different time periods. They both completely dominated their peers and were unquestionably the best QB's during their respective careers. They both have SB wins and they both have a long history of regular season success. The thing about these 2 QB's that elevates them to 2nd all-time is that they were on the field coaches for their teams. Unitas revolutionized the game when he played. Manning is revolutionizing it today. Both of these QB's, like no others, had the responsibility of play-calling in addition to just playing the position.
4) Joe Montana/Tom Brady - Montana benefited from having the best WR of all-time for most of his prime (Jerry Rice), but it is hard to argue with postseason success. Whether you think that the Patriots cheated or not, it is hard to deny that Brady elevates his game during the playoffs. These two QB's demonstrate that it takes a special mindset to be a winner on the world's biggest sporting stage - the Super Bowl. I would take a great playoff QB over a great regular season QB anytime.
6) Steve Young - he was more mobile than any of the aforementioned QB's, and has a higher QB rating than any of them as well. Quite frankly, I think that Young gets underrated in these sorts of discussions, because he replaced a legend (Montana) and was overshadowed for much of his career by players like Elway, Marino, Aikman and Favre (as far as media attention is concerned).
7) Fran Tarkenton - from what I have heard, Tarkenton was a complete jerk, but as far as QBing in the NFL is concerned, he got the job done for a long time with a franchise that appeared in 4 super bowls, but never won one. Tarkenton is also a more mobile QB than the top 5 on my list and he was capable of making something happen by scrambling. He and Young represent what a true scrambling QB should do, IMO, which is to prolong the play and give their receiver's some more time to get open; not just take off running with the ball as Vince Young and Michael Vick do.
8) Kurt Warner - he is, in a way, the anti-Favre. Warner's career was short and stellar. He won Super Bowls. He took two franchises that were a mess and turned them into winners. He set single game and single season records. He has a great QB rating.
9/10) take your pick, really, I think that compelling arguments could be made for John Elway, Roger Staubach, or Dan Marino. I'm sure that I'm missing someone too. Players like Joe Namath or Terry Bradshaw, whose names are more impressive than their careers were; or modern QB's like Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers who could eventually merit consideration; or even Jim Kelly and Troy Aikman who are HOF's but I don't consider to be in this same elite class as the top 8.