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skierdude44
January 13, 2004 at 09:19PM View BBCode
please if u arent here to respect tupac than dont post. u r the one who accused him of faking his death even though that is highly illogical and also if u knew anything about him u would know that that is not wut he is about.
andrew
January 13, 2004 at 09:24PM View BBCode
Actually I would say happy got you there skier, but yes tupac= great musican.
happy
stuttererdude44.
January 13, 2004 at 09:36PM View BBCode
I have not aimed any negativity toward Tupac during this post, just towards you.stuttererdude44.
skierdude44
January 13, 2004 at 09:39PM View BBCode
wut just cuz i said tupac and than tupoc. wutever. like me and others have said on this thread before this is dedicated to tupac so if u arent gonna talk about him than dont post here.
sycophantman
"I was f##king white girls," he recalled years later of his teen years at the Baltimore School for the Arts, a Fame-like performing arts high school. Once, he promised sex to a gay male student named Eskiah if he'd help Tupac land a hard-to-get girl named Kelly. Eskiah made it happen, but Tupac reneged: "After I bust my nut, Eskiah was like, 'When's my turn?...' I told him, 'You must be out of your f##kin' mind.' "
Who knew?:o
Strange yet true story about Tupac...
January 14, 2004 at 01:51PM View BBCode
He was a playa early on."I was f##king white girls," he recalled years later of his teen years at the Baltimore School for the Arts, a Fame-like performing arts high school. Once, he promised sex to a gay male student named Eskiah if he'd help Tupac land a hard-to-get girl named Kelly. Eskiah made it happen, but Tupac reneged: "After I bust my nut, Eskiah was like, 'When's my turn?...' I told him, 'You must be out of your f##kin' mind.' "
Who knew?:o
sycophantman
January 14, 2004 at 01:52PM View BBCode
He got his start as a backup rapper and dancer for Digital Underground.
happy
half his CD is about gettin the bitches and hos.
hipocricy at its finest
January 14, 2004 at 08:00PM View BBCode
half his CD is something like the song changeshalf his CD is about gettin the bitches and hos.
hipocricy at its finest
skierdude44
January 14, 2004 at 10:33PM View formatted
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not exactly. tupac is real. he tells u how it is. i cant believe someone who has never listened to him is telling me wut tupac's music is like. he was not a perfect person, he was a good person, but he wuz also a product of his environment. i suggest u go download kazaa lite and listen to a few tupac songs. u probably wouldnt like it though cuz he is real and is unafraid of who he is and where he comes from not like GIRL-RILLAZ who hide behind that dumb cartoon. tupac was a story teller, he tells stories about where he came from and things he has done which im sure he wasnt proud of some of them. everyone makes bad decisions at times too. i suggest u go rent tupac resurrection when it comes out on video so u can find out wut u r talking about and who u r talking about. and who r u to correct my grammar mr. clements and maddox!?
sycophantman
January 15, 2004 at 04:17AM View BBCode
I sense that you two aren't going to be resolving this with a hug...
nextyearcubs
There was none. Rap wasn't always about drugs, sex, and violence, however true to the lives of its listeners. That's not the roots of the genre... Ever hear of the Sugar Hill Gang? However lame they sound now, they are a better representation of the roots of the genre. Tupac was good, but not great. If he was great he would have been able to transcend the drugs, sex, and violence that laid the foundation for modern rap... Instead, he represented himself with sensational lyrics designed for shock value and shelf appeal... What I'm saying is, he did have a lot of good in him, but he still put out stuff that was contrary to that. How much respect can you give to the good kid acting like a bad boy so the punks will like him?
January 15, 2004 at 04:39PM View BBCode
Hey, I have a rap related question.... I was playing Vice City the other day and hit on a realization... Since all the songs on the radio in the game were really hits in the mid 80s, where is all the violence, drug use, and sex in rap songs on the rap station in the game?There was none. Rap wasn't always about drugs, sex, and violence, however true to the lives of its listeners. That's not the roots of the genre... Ever hear of the Sugar Hill Gang? However lame they sound now, they are a better representation of the roots of the genre. Tupac was good, but not great. If he was great he would have been able to transcend the drugs, sex, and violence that laid the foundation for modern rap... Instead, he represented himself with sensational lyrics designed for shock value and shelf appeal... What I'm saying is, he did have a lot of good in him, but he still put out stuff that was contrary to that. How much respect can you give to the good kid acting like a bad boy so the punks will like him?
skierdude44
January 15, 2004 at 04:52PM View BBCode
sure i know sugarhillgang. they were one of the many people to do rappers delight. i think that most people misunderstand him. he wuz a storyteller and told stories about where he came from. people sometimes here the words bitches and hoes and misunderstand why the person is sayin that. im not sayin that he is perfect, he made a lot of mistakes, but who is perfect. the thing that impressed me though is that he used his status as a celebrity to send good messages which some people are afraid to do.
nextyearcubs
But hey who's gonna buy a rap album that doesn't have the "parental advisory, explicit lyrics" sticker on it anyways, right?
January 15, 2004 at 09:12PM View BBCode
I used to not think anything of it when a song had a lot of swear words in it... I mean, who really cares, right? But after a while, I realized that it kinda bothered me because it cheapens the message in the song. Everyone hears the expletives and turns off, all they know is that the song had some bad words in it. So you can really get into a song, but there's always some moron who only hears the swearing, and thats why they like the song. But its shock value, something that gets attention, but at the same time draws attention away from whatever good was there. So I don't care for all the swearing, not because it offends me, but I think if the song is serious and has deep meaning, whatever meaning it had is lost when it refers to women as bitches, or whatever else it has...But hey who's gonna buy a rap album that doesn't have the "parental advisory, explicit lyrics" sticker on it anyways, right?
skierdude44
January 15, 2004 at 09:17PM View BBCode
ok but look at this for example. in changes he talks about cops and he says "pull the trigga kill a n!gga hes a hero."
sycophantman
Most people respect him now because of his potential more than the actual songs, which were good but never fantastic, except for a couple...
January 16, 2004 at 02:31PM View BBCode
Tupac had undeniable talent, and I think if he lived a longer life he would have transended all the dead-end messages he constantly had in his songs.Most people respect him now because of his potential more than the actual songs, which were good but never fantastic, except for a couple...
skierdude44
January 20, 2004 at 12:18AM View BBCode
yea he wuz very young when he died. i think he wuz like 26 and i think that he would be about 33 if he was still alive. i think that if u wanna get the truest sense of wut he wuz like u should read some of his quotes, see some of his interviews, and probably see Tupac Resurrection which i have not seen yet. ill probably get it when it comes out on video.
sycophantman
January 27, 2004 at 10:39AM View BBCode
Tupac is significant even if you don't like his music, just the fact that he means so much to so many people gives him a sort of posthumous life...
skierdude44
January 27, 2004 at 06:02PM View BBCode
and i think that if he wuz still alive there would be no debate over wut a great figure he wuz but since he died so young (26, i believe) not many people got to see the whole story behind him unless u r a fan.
sycophantman
January 30, 2004 at 07:59PM View BBCode
He was hailed as just good when alive, guess it's rare to have someone who's revolutionary be acknowledged while alive.
skierdude44
January 30, 2004 at 08:02PM View BBCode
i think that songs such as changes and thugz mansion came out after he died people didnt get a chance to fully hear the message he wuz trying to send. its kinda sad that his greatness wuznt recognized while he wuz alive.
sycophantman
Maybe his life will be the wake-up call to a lot of young black men out there to reach for something more out of life than thug life.
I hate all this thug rap out there nowadays, but I hate it more when they say that Tupac made that kind of music. No, if you listen to the music close, you can hear sadness in almost every song he wrote...
January 30, 2004 at 08:48PM View BBCode
At least he had a chance...Maybe his life will be the wake-up call to a lot of young black men out there to reach for something more out of life than thug life.
I hate all this thug rap out there nowadays, but I hate it more when they say that Tupac made that kind of music. No, if you listen to the music close, you can hear sadness in almost every song he wrote...
skierdude44
January 30, 2004 at 09:06PM View BBCode
yea thats true. and people say well he would say things like thug life and stuff. the thing is people dont understand wut he means. i saw in a preview for tupac resurrection he said "i wanna speak to the kid thats really livin a thug life." then he clarified that and said, "that really feels like its hopeless. and i wanna tell them that its not and to keep ur faith and work hard." now tell me how can u not respect that.
skierdude44
February 06, 2004 at 12:50AM View BBCode
more songs of tupac's that sent a good message are "smile" feat. scarface, and "my block." both we redone by scarface in his memory. he inspired so many other rappers, such as scarface and nas who now try to send good messages. and songs like the two i listed carry the message to people in the ghetto and basically say "work hard and dont give up hope." he also says that he is proud of where he comes from even though it isnt a great place, something happy wouldnt understand.