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happy
March 19, 2004 at 06:59AM View formatted
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doesnt work. We probably have a different STL than you. the Standard Templated Library is neither Standard, nor a Library, so generally there is a discrepancy in how the STL works.
happy
March 19, 2004 at 07:00AM View BBCode
if my teacher had ever told me how to get information from inside the source, i could do it. I know how to do it in C++, just not here.
happy
March 19, 2004 at 07:17AM View BBCode
yeah, but obviously it is pulling from a STL. It is trying to get the graphic_7, and there isnt a graphic_7.
happy
March 19, 2004 at 07:18AM View BBCode
and ISML is probably internal send mail link or something...
Duff77
March 19, 2004 at 08:47AM View BBCode
Scrolling George will be in my sig for a few days, anyway...until it gets really old.
skierdude44
March 19, 2004 at 12:52PM View BBCode
i was gonna say something about all the whining about the yankees (its not yankee bashing its whining) but i realize that it is a sign of respect. i know happy is gonna come on here and say how he doesnt respect george and the yankees but the reason why u complain and boo is out of respect. if u didnt care u wouldnt bother talking about it. but think about it, when u boo a star player on another team it is out of respect for their ability. anyway, yankee fans shouldnt expect yankee whining bcuz their team does what everyone else wishes their team would do and tries to win, THAT IS THE POINT OF SPORTS, to win. this isnt little league where u are out there just to have fun, the purpose is to win and i dont see how u can begrudge them for that and for following the rules.
BleedRed
I do not sense this feeling toward the Yankees. I am sure that most fans and some of Yankee organization does not deserve it, but some of them do present a poor attitude and some moves have been less than sporting (involving $$$).
I don't think fans boo out of respect - most are at least silent, if not vocally supportive of true class and skill from visiting players.
March 19, 2004 at 01:06PM View BBCode
Respect is what you have for a guy who pitches a no-hitter or freezes you at the plate with his curve. Respect is what you have for the underdog player who comes back from injury or for the all-star who through hard work keeps coming back.I do not sense this feeling toward the Yankees. I am sure that most fans and some of Yankee organization does not deserve it, but some of them do present a poor attitude and some moves have been less than sporting (involving $$$).
I don't think fans boo out of respect - most are at least silent, if not vocally supportive of true class and skill from visiting players.
skierdude44
March 19, 2004 at 01:13PM View BBCode
to me the purpose of booing is to try and knock a guy off his game. if he isnt that good than why bother? so u have respect for his ability even if u dont personally like the guy(s). see what i dont get is everyone whines and complains about the yankees, but that is avoiding the real issue. the real issue is the salary structure, not the yankees. they just take advantage of the rule and use it to their advantage. u cant blame them for that, since by the rules they are entitled to put as much money as they want back into the team in order to win. if u waste ur time attacking the yankees than nothing will get done, u will have george all upset and probably complaining to bud selig which does the opposite of what u want to happen. if u want something to get done complain to bud selig about how unfair the salary structure is and site the yankees as an example, not as the problem.
BleedRed
March 19, 2004 at 01:18PM View BBCode
The Yankees aren't THE problem, but I think that fans sense a lack of sportsmanship. It isn't in the rules to play the game for the game's sake. And, you are welcome to play the game to make money or win. But, if you want the true respect of fans, or at least this fan, the goal is to have equal teams take the field and fight it out. I do not fault the Yankee's for winning, but, as you stated, that means people may not love them (the aren't the Cubs :rolleyes: ) - and that any unsporting conduct will probably be brought up quite often.
skierdude44
March 19, 2004 at 01:27PM View BBCode
i understand what u are saying. i just dont think that u can accuse the yankees of cheating or poor sportsmanship when all the owners agreed to the deal that is in place. now clearly something has to be done bcuz it isnt a level playing field. as a yankee fan though i have to admit that it is nice to see that the money u spend to watch the yankees on tv, buy their products, and go to their games is used to improve the product. i would rather see that than see george pocket the money.
Duff77
The thing is, and I'll admit this...a lot of times it's bashing for the pure joyful sake of bashing. Because it's just damn fun to do, that's all. And the Yankees, being as good/notorious as they are, are both an easy and rather enjoyable target.
But as far as booing/bashing=respect goes...I have to disagree with you skier. When I booed Albert Belle (at least, before he got to B-more), it wasn't because I had great respect for his game. Or put it this way...I have great respect for Normar Garciaparra's game, but I've never booed him. There are lots of players/teams I have tremendous repsect for and would never boo. I boo players/teams I don't like, don't think play the game the right way, think are jerks, or think got what they got illegitemately. And frankly, I don't actually boo the Yankees at the stadium, because as I've said half a dozen times here before, I don't think it's right to blame the team or the owner for what is a fundmental fault within the system. But I bash the Yankees because it's funny, and because they've become symbolic of that flawed system.
March 19, 2004 at 11:41PM View BBCode
Have you given George a dollar yet? :DThe thing is, and I'll admit this...a lot of times it's bashing for the pure joyful sake of bashing. Because it's just damn fun to do, that's all. And the Yankees, being as good/notorious as they are, are both an easy and rather enjoyable target.
But as far as booing/bashing=respect goes...I have to disagree with you skier. When I booed Albert Belle (at least, before he got to B-more), it wasn't because I had great respect for his game. Or put it this way...I have great respect for Normar Garciaparra's game, but I've never booed him. There are lots of players/teams I have tremendous repsect for and would never boo. I boo players/teams I don't like, don't think play the game the right way, think are jerks, or think got what they got illegitemately. And frankly, I don't actually boo the Yankees at the stadium, because as I've said half a dozen times here before, I don't think it's right to blame the team or the owner for what is a fundmental fault within the system. But I bash the Yankees because it's funny, and because they've become symbolic of that flawed system.
skierdude44
March 19, 2004 at 11:48PM View BBCode
well, i know that alot of yankee fans booed giambi when he first came here bcuz he was underachieving and we knew how good he could be. but i see ur point.
dcluciano
That's how I feel about the Yankees.
[Edited on 3-20-2004 by dcluciano]
March 20, 2004 at 12:00AM View BBCode
I have a friend that is always bragging about how he and his wife will have sex with 2 or 3 other women at the same time. I say to him, "Yeah, but you have to pay to do it" I mean, if I had the desire (or the ability) to spend the money, I could to. It's not that he's any more attractive than me (he might say he was :lol: ) it's just that he has more money to spend.That's how I feel about the Yankees.
[Edited on 3-20-2004 by dcluciano]
skierdude44
March 21, 2004 at 03:01PM View BBCode
but can u blame them for spending the money that they have gotten from the fans. i cant. plus have u always felt that about them? i know most people had alot of respect for them in the tino martinez, paul o'neil years. the thing is those teams had solid players but very few stars, then the competition raised the bar and started signing more star players, so the yanks got in the game. now people are whining bcuz the yankees have loaded up on stars better than anyone else. its like dont dish it out if u cant take it. anyway im tired of hearing people blame the yankees for baseball's mistake. this country has a terrible problem of attacking the symptons instead of the root of the problem and im not just talking about baseball.
dcluciano
Do I wish my team could afford to do that? Hell yeah. They can't though... so I'm left crying about the system, because the system stinks. Do I blame the yankees for exploiting the system? No.... Through the winning years, the yankee players have been relatively humble, and I respect that. But, I blame yankee fans that brag about how great their team is.... any team that has those resources would be great.
March 21, 2004 at 09:26PM View BBCode
The problem is that signing star players is not the only way that a team with a lot of revenue has an advantage. Look at Minnesota a few years back.... they could've drafted Mark Prior, but they knew they couldn't sign him, so they didn't pick him. The yankees don't have to worry about that, they can sign anyone they want (Drew Henson... minor leaguer making 3mil) and that was how the yankees were able to build an incredible farm system. They can spend money on the organization as well as the star players.Do I wish my team could afford to do that? Hell yeah. They can't though... so I'm left crying about the system, because the system stinks. Do I blame the yankees for exploiting the system? No.... Through the winning years, the yankee players have been relatively humble, and I respect that. But, I blame yankee fans that brag about how great their team is.... any team that has those resources would be great.
skierdude44
March 22, 2004 at 01:36AM View BBCode
i beg to differ with u on that last point. look at the new york knicks, or the new york mets, or the new york rangers. besides the new york pattern, they all spent a ton of money and sucked. it isnt just signing stars, and minor leaguers its knowing how to develop them and making smart decisions. now i admit that scott layden and steve phillips were idiots but the rangers have probably the best talent in the nhl but cant win. the knicks have improved since isaah took over. but it proves that just spending money doesnt work. so as much as people hate george he isnt just some rich knuckle head with a short temper that throughs money at superstars and random people. he has some idea of what he is doing and has a great coaching staff.
happy
You gotta give it to the yankees, they make the playoffs every year, and they get to the world series almost every year. This proves they dont have a pile of bricks as their GM (unlike Texas and NY(NL)) and the havent had any really big star players get career ending injuries on them (orioles) Wow, good job yankees, you had some amount of luck, and Brian Cashman probably has an IQ higher than my Cat's IQ.
March 22, 2004 at 04:40AM View BBCode
Skierdude, basketball and hockey references really wont work. Mets references wont work either. Having money DOES give you an advantage. Oakland is very good despite not having much money, but how good would they be if they had as much money as the yankees? Take Oakland right now, and then give them back Tejada, Sign Ivan Rodriguez as their catcher, and Vladimir Guererro as their OF. they win the WS, no problem, and their payroll is still tens of millions below the Yankees.You gotta give it to the yankees, they make the playoffs every year, and they get to the world series almost every year. This proves they dont have a pile of bricks as their GM (unlike Texas and NY(NL)) and the havent had any really big star players get career ending injuries on them (orioles) Wow, good job yankees, you had some amount of luck, and Brian Cashman probably has an IQ higher than my Cat's IQ.
dcluciano
March 22, 2004 at 06:11AM View BBCode
you're right, skierdude... there is more to it than just money. The examples you've mentioned are good ones. I'd also add the yankees of the 80's. If it were just a case of the yankees having a good organization, I'd bow down in awe to the yankees winning year in and year out. However, that's not why the yankees win.... the yankees win because they have a ton of money, and if they make a mistake with a contract (ie. Drew Henson) they can absorb it... other teams can't. They can through a ton of money at a bunch of players and hope that a few of them work out. Other teams can't take those risks.
skierdude44
dluciano, u made some good points, but i dont totally agree. look at the '96-'01 yankees. there were no superstars their, and some years they struggled to have a guy hit over 25 homers but they played decent d, pitched well and got on base and moved runners over and played small ball to manufacture runs. they had guys who went out and wanted to win and werent just playing for the pay check.
March 22, 2004 at 08:44PM View BBCode
umm... happy, why cant i use those examples? some of those are different sports but it doesnt matter. its the same general idea. plus all those teams are in new york so it means that just bcuz u are in a good market u wont run into money problems or make bad decisions. plus the mets are a great example bcuz they tried to compete with the yankees and got burned, not by making totally bad decisions (signing mo vaughn wasnt smart but...) but getting guys like robby alomar looked like a great move at the time but some guys just cant stand the pressure of playing in nyc (jeff weaver and jeromy burnitz are other good examples). so their job isnt that easy bcuz u need to find guys that are compatable with the environment. i think that is the reason they went after sheffield instead of guerrero. vlad doesnt speak any english, spent his time up in montreal where baseball is dead and even there he was like a phantom. he could easily be rattled by the nyc playing environment, especially if he went through and early slump and got booed and hounded by the press. then the yanks would be the butt of ur jokes for signing a guy who is afraid of the press. sheffield is a guy who doesnt have a great reputation but goes out and plays no matter what and doesnt care what u say about him. and what superstars did the orioles have that had career ending injuries that de-railed their powerhouse (not that they were one) albert belle? scott erickson? belle was on the down side of his career and was more trouble than he was worth and erickson was a mediocre pitcher at best so what are u talking about?dluciano, u made some good points, but i dont totally agree. look at the '96-'01 yankees. there were no superstars their, and some years they struggled to have a guy hit over 25 homers but they played decent d, pitched well and got on base and moved runners over and played small ball to manufacture runs. they had guys who went out and wanted to win and werent just playing for the pay check.
sycophantman
Look, I know you have to defend the Yankees Skierdude, they are your
'heroes' in baseball and all, quite understandable.
But you really don't have a leg to stand on...
George spends his money wisely, but having millions upon millions can tend to
make anyone seem smarter than they are.
Of course the Yankees are a symbol of how the financial structure is wrong.
But there's no point to bitching about it now, not when change is coming soon, so enjoy the hegemony while you can Skierdude.
March 22, 2004 at 09:07PM View BBCode
*sigh*Look, I know you have to defend the Yankees Skierdude, they are your
'heroes' in baseball and all, quite understandable.
But you really don't have a leg to stand on...
George spends his money wisely, but having millions upon millions can tend to
make anyone seem smarter than they are.
Of course the Yankees are a symbol of how the financial structure is wrong.
But there's no point to bitching about it now, not when change is coming soon, so enjoy the hegemony while you can Skierdude.
happy
Why hockey doesnt work: no one cares about hockey, so the owners are obviously out there offering the most amount of money to the players with the coolest names, so they can sell Jerseys. That is why Gretsky and Lemouix or whatever are the 2 best hockey players, they have the best names.
anyway, obviously a lot of thought went into their recent acquisitions, "hmmm... well Vladimir WONT SIGN HERE, so i guess ill get the second best guy" "hmmm... our 3bman is injured, and alex rodriguez might be able to play 3B, and he is the best SS in baseball..."
March 22, 2004 at 10:20PM View BBCode
here is why basketball is a bad example: They HAVE a luxary tax kind of thing that is much harsher than the one in baseball, there is a maximum salary, so you cant buy up the best players, they have to want to be on your team, AND basketball talent is harder to read, because baseball teams have A, AA, AAA, and Majors, whereas Basketball gives big contracts to young players.Why hockey doesnt work: no one cares about hockey, so the owners are obviously out there offering the most amount of money to the players with the coolest names, so they can sell Jerseys. That is why Gretsky and Lemouix or whatever are the 2 best hockey players, they have the best names.
anyway, obviously a lot of thought went into their recent acquisitions, "hmmm... well Vladimir WONT SIGN HERE, so i guess ill get the second best guy" "hmmm... our 3bman is injured, and alex rodriguez might be able to play 3B, and he is the best SS in baseball..."
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