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Ok, go ahead and explain this one to me deke:
What are the odds of getting a walk if you hit the ball fair on the first pitch?
June 23, 2010 at 06:12PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
yeah, i don't have the stats in front of me, but you're exponentially more likely to make an out after taking the first pitch for a strike than you are to earn a walk. at 0-1 the advantage to the pitcher is larger than you seem to think.
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Ok, go ahead and explain this one to me deke:
What are the odds of getting a walk if you hit the ball fair on the first pitch?
tm4559
(it is kind of ironic the two examples you cited, vlad and ichiro, both have more walks this season than wieters. which indicates, if nothing else, that is wieters wants to be a "walky" guy, he is seriously doing something wrong, no?)
June 23, 2010 at 06:15PM View formatted
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i don't believe he was talking about that situation (grin).
(it is kind of ironic the two examples you cited, vlad and ichiro, both have more walks this season than wieters. which indicates, if nothing else, that is wieters wants to be a "walky" guy, he is seriously doing something wrong, no?)
happy
yeah, i was wrong (there are stats for such things, its on fangraphs, Z Swing or some such thing.)
June 23, 2010 at 06:20PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jughead
Originally posted by happy Like, Ichiro doesnt swing at balls so much, but he doesnt walk becuase he swings at most any strike.
I don't see how this can be true. Ichiro is hard to walk because he swings at everything. Is there a stat that can prove this? Admittedly, my evidence is anecdotal, but I get 18 Mariners/A's games on my set every season. I've seen hundreds of Ichiro ABs over his U.S. career.
yeah, i was wrong (there are stats for such things, its on fangraphs, Z Swing or some such thing.)
dirtdevil
you are, as usual, talking about two different things at the same time and trying to pass them off as equivalent. they are not.
June 23, 2010 at 06:22PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
Originally posted by dirtdevil
yeah, i don't have the stats in front of me, but you're exponentially more likely to make an out after taking the first pitch for a strike than you are to earn a walk. at 0-1 the advantage to the pitcher is larger than you seem to think.
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Ok, go ahead and explain this one to me deke:
What are the odds of getting a walk if you hit the ball fair on the first pitch?
you are, as usual, talking about two different things at the same time and trying to pass them off as equivalent. they are not.
FuriousGiorge
June 23, 2010 at 06:23PM View BBCode
I like that Deke's exchange student is Charlie Chan.
dirtdevil
June 23, 2010 at 06:25PM View BBCode
as a matter of fact, his name was koichi kanazawa. i don't know what his career average was, but it was well below the mendoza line. he used to wear some kind of vinyly warm-up suit. squeaked when he walked.
happy
I said if you take a first strike (note, not first pitch, doesnt matter if its 0-0, 1-0, 2-0, or 3-0) you are more likely to walk (not saying its necessarily a good thing, im just saying you walk more). I mean, swinging and missing, fouling the ball off, and taking a strike are equivalent, so the only time it changes is a fair ball, in which case the odds of a walk drops to 0%. Cant hit a fair ball if you dont swing, so the odds of walking goes up.
June 23, 2010 at 06:27PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by happy
Originally posted by dirtdevil
yeah, i don't have the stats in front of me, but you're exponentially more likely to make an out after taking the first pitch for a strike than you are to earn a walk. at 0-1 the advantage to the pitcher is larger than you seem to think.
>_<
Ok, go ahead and explain this one to me deke:
What are the odds of getting a walk if you hit the ball fair on the first pitch?
you are, as usual, talking about two different things at the same time and trying to pass them off as equivalent. they are not.
I said if you take a first strike (note, not first pitch, doesnt matter if its 0-0, 1-0, 2-0, or 3-0) you are more likely to walk (not saying its necessarily a good thing, im just saying you walk more). I mean, swinging and missing, fouling the ball off, and taking a strike are equivalent, so the only time it changes is a fair ball, in which case the odds of a walk drops to 0%. Cant hit a fair ball if you dont swing, so the odds of walking goes up.
FuriousGiorge
June 23, 2010 at 06:34PM View BBCode
This is another one of those things where eventually no one's going to have any idea what either side is even arguing for anymore, isn't it? Those are the boringest.
Lou.
June 23, 2010 at 10:24PM View BBCode
I think Joe Mauer's my new man-crush, seeing as my favourite Jewish baseballer is now gone the way of the Bonds.Pages: 1 2