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vurbil
July 11, 2010 at 01:29AM View BBCode
It's akin to some of the things George W. Bush said after 9/11. All these stuffy liberals were saying he wasn't acting Presidential, as though a leader should remain emotionless and continue to speak in meaningless platitudes after 3,000 of his citizens have been slaughtered in cold blood. Saying he was going to hunt down the perpetrators, that he wanted OBL "dead or alive" -- all that stuff was totally appropriate under the circumstances.
Jon
July 11, 2010 at 01:35AM View BBCode
Yes, because a sports owner ranting about a departed free agent is exactly the same as a President declaring revenge for a terrorist attack. Such an apt comparison.
vurbil
July 11, 2010 at 01:40AM View BBCode
Nope, there are many differences, but on one point they are the same. And that point is the one I'm making: That it is not always necessary or desirable for a leader or person in high position to act emotionless and passive.
Tyles
July 11, 2010 at 02:06AM View BBCode
(He didn't look "presidential" because he has a stupid monkey face.)
(Eric)
July 11, 2010 at 04:08AM View BBCode
To vilify LeBron for leaving (like I've said, he's an ass, but he didn't owe the Cavs anything) and attempt to deflect blame for past/future failures isn't "emotionally charged", it's a load of twattery. I'm sure they had to release some ra-ra message to appease the fans and assure them that the city of Cleveland and their basketball team would continue to exist, but it didn't have to be so idiotic.
FuriousGiorge
July 11, 2010 at 04:26AM View BBCode
This has turned into a big censored fail. George W. Bush, Jesus Christ.
vurbil
Haha
July 11, 2010 at 04:40AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
This has turned into a big censored fail. George W. Bush, Jesus Christ.
Haha
Jon
And in Comic Sans, no less. I can't get over this--the owner of a professional sports team publishes a vicious open letter to a sports icon...and uses the most despised font on the Internet. How are we supposed to take that seriously?
(Come to think of it, I bet George W. Bush insisted all his memos be printed in Comic Sans. Maybe vurbil's analogy isn't that far-fetched.)
[Edited on 7-11-2010 by Jon]
July 11, 2010 at 05:51AM View BBCode
Originally posted by (Eric)
To vilify LeBron for leaving (like I've said, he's an ass, but he didn't owe the Cavs anything) and attempt to deflect blame for past/future failures isn't "emotionally charged", it's a load of twattery. I'm sure they had to release some ra-ra message to appease the fans and assure them that the city of Cleveland and their basketball team would continue to exist, but it didn't have to be so idiotic.
And in Comic Sans, no less. I can't get over this--the owner of a professional sports team publishes a vicious open letter to a sports icon...and uses the most despised font on the Internet. How are we supposed to take that seriously?
(Come to think of it, I bet George W. Bush insisted all his memos be printed in Comic Sans. Maybe vurbil's analogy isn't that far-fetched.)
[Edited on 7-11-2010 by Jon]
vurbil
So your outrage is over a font? Did it ever occur to you that Dan Gilbert is the owner of a basketball team, not the webmaster of www.clevelandcavaliers.com? I mean, c'mon man, seriously. I've actually gotten a chuckle out of the fact that you have repeatedly attributed the font used on that website to the owner of the basketball team.
Or if not, what exactly is it over? Lebron treated Gilbert and the franchise with complete disrespect, and Gilbert didn't like it. Additionally, the fans -- the fans on which his organization rely -- are completely devastated and outraged by Lebron's actions over the last four days. But according to you, in order for Gilbert to be respectable and mature, he should take this slap in the face and say "thank you, Lebron, can I have another"?
I submit to you that there are situations in which being a passive, meek, little mature guy is not the proper thing for a leader to do. I have been a leader in the Army for 5 years, and I can tell you that if my Soldiers had something comparable to this occur to them, and I took the whole thing in stride, showed no emotion, and did not forcefully indicate to them that I shared in their outrage, I would lose their respect entirely and would cease to be their leader.
I'm sorry, is that also a bad analogy? I guess leadership principles only apply to each individual situation.
Trust me, the fans of Cleveland love the guy for writing that letter, and that was his audience, not you.
[Edited on 7-11-2010 by vurbil]
[Edited on 7-11-2010 by vurbil]
July 11, 2010 at 06:18AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jon
Originally posted by (Eric)
To vilify LeBron for leaving (like I've said, he's an ass, but he didn't owe the Cavs anything) and attempt to deflect blame for past/future failures isn't "emotionally charged", it's a load of twattery. I'm sure they had to release some ra-ra message to appease the fans and assure them that the city of Cleveland and their basketball team would continue to exist, but it didn't have to be so idiotic.
And in Comic Sans, no less. I can't get over this--the owner of a professional sports team publishes a vicious open letter to a sports icon...and uses the most despised font on the Internet. How are we supposed to take that seriously?
(Come to think of it, I bet George W. Bush insisted all his memos be printed in Comic Sans. Maybe vurbil's analogy isn't that far-fetched.)
[Edited on 7-11-2010 by Jon]
So your outrage is over a font? Did it ever occur to you that Dan Gilbert is the owner of a basketball team, not the webmaster of www.clevelandcavaliers.com? I mean, c'mon man, seriously. I've actually gotten a chuckle out of the fact that you have repeatedly attributed the font used on that website to the owner of the basketball team.
Or if not, what exactly is it over? Lebron treated Gilbert and the franchise with complete disrespect, and Gilbert didn't like it. Additionally, the fans -- the fans on which his organization rely -- are completely devastated and outraged by Lebron's actions over the last four days. But according to you, in order for Gilbert to be respectable and mature, he should take this slap in the face and say "thank you, Lebron, can I have another"?
I submit to you that there are situations in which being a passive, meek, little mature guy is not the proper thing for a leader to do. I have been a leader in the Army for 5 years, and I can tell you that if my Soldiers had something comparable to this occur to them, and I took the whole thing in stride, showed no emotion, and did not forcefully indicate to them that I shared in their outrage, I would lose their respect entirely and would cease to be their leader.
I'm sorry, is that also a bad analogy? I guess leadership principles only apply to each individual situation.
Trust me, the fans of Cleveland love the guy for writing that letter, and that was his audience, not you.
[Edited on 7-11-2010 by vurbil]
[Edited on 7-11-2010 by vurbil]
Tyles
July 11, 2010 at 06:59AM View formatted
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Well since you put it that way, if your heavy-weapons guy decided to take his minigun over to Helmand Province and fight for al Qaeda, I suppose you'd have cause to write a snippy, passive-aggressive letter about how he wants to go to Jannah without having to die to get there.
vurbil
July 11, 2010 at 07:21AM View BBCode
I don't see how it is passive-aggressive. He was quite clear and direct in his condemnation of Lebron. Passive-aggressive is when you are too meek to do just that, so you act out in subtle ways such as avoidance and procrastination.
Tyles
(And who wants to bet that the "exciting future" mentioned in the letter has to do with discounts on season tickets?)
July 11, 2010 at 03:25PM View BBCode
He's the owner of an NBA team whose franchise player has just announced his departure in the most public of forums. Publishing a childish rant on the team's website is an act of avoidance. Cavaliers fans understandably feel betrayed by this whole ordeal. If Gilbert had shown true leadership, he'd have expressed his sincere disappointment in how LeBron handled the situation, vowed to move on, and then done something about it. He undoubtedly knew, if not weeks, certainly days before his TV special that LeBron was not coming back. Instead, Cavs fans get this semi-coherent vitriolic letter filled with empty promises (The Cavs will win a title before the Heat? Really?) and mumblings about curses and karma. With fewer expletives and (slightly) better grammar, he took essentially the same approach to the problem that his spurned fans had already taken in message boards around the web. For any Clevelanders who can tear themselves away from the mourning and the hot dog casseroles long enough to think about it, that can't be an encouraging sign.(And who wants to bet that the "exciting future" mentioned in the letter has to do with discounts on season tickets?)
happy
I dont mind people being emotional or speaking their mind, i really dont, but sometimes when you open up your mind to the public and it comes out as a big poopstain, then you should probably not be in the public eye.
He made a personal guaruntee that he cant possibly back with his piss poor team. You can take it to the bank. So I guess if the Cavs dont win a championship before LeBron, the Cavs owner is going to refund all money spent on the team from the date of this statement?
(no. they arent. He is just a liar. You cant take it to the bank, he has not personally guarunteed anything, and his team is not even any good, and wont be for a while.)
He called the act "cowardly betrayal". What is cowardly about it? Did he really leave the team because he lacked courage? Im pretty sure his courage had nothing to do with it.
As for betrayal, I think players switching teams is a not so new thing in the sports world. It isnt like he went all Benedict Arnold on them. In today's world, players are the equivalent of hired mercenaries, not loyal soldiers, so this is not a situation of betrayal or anything else like betrayal. He just changed teams when his CONTRACT WAS UP. As is his right.
To say this is a cowardly betrayal would be like saying changing jobs is a cowardly betrayal.
In conclusion, the problem with this isnt that it was emotionally charged, the problem is that it is just stupid and makes him look like his name is Idiot Stupidpants McDumdum
July 13, 2010 at 01:03PM View BBCode
He's right. It wasnt passive agressive.I dont mind people being emotional or speaking their mind, i really dont, but sometimes when you open up your mind to the public and it comes out as a big poopstain, then you should probably not be in the public eye.
He made a personal guaruntee that he cant possibly back with his piss poor team. You can take it to the bank. So I guess if the Cavs dont win a championship before LeBron, the Cavs owner is going to refund all money spent on the team from the date of this statement?
(no. they arent. He is just a liar. You cant take it to the bank, he has not personally guarunteed anything, and his team is not even any good, and wont be for a while.)
He called the act "cowardly betrayal". What is cowardly about it? Did he really leave the team because he lacked courage? Im pretty sure his courage had nothing to do with it.
As for betrayal, I think players switching teams is a not so new thing in the sports world. It isnt like he went all Benedict Arnold on them. In today's world, players are the equivalent of hired mercenaries, not loyal soldiers, so this is not a situation of betrayal or anything else like betrayal. He just changed teams when his CONTRACT WAS UP. As is his right.
To say this is a cowardly betrayal would be like saying changing jobs is a cowardly betrayal.
In conclusion, the problem with this isnt that it was emotionally charged, the problem is that it is just stupid and makes him look like his name is Idiot Stupidpants McDumdum
FuriousGiorge
July 13, 2010 at 03:24PM View BBCode
It was cowardly because he never talked to anyone in management until a few minutes before he announced the decision. He didn't have the stones to face anyone in the organization and tell them he was leaving (or, more likely, he didn't want word to leak out which would have ruined his stupid special, but either way it's kind of a total pussy move).
khazim
July 13, 2010 at 06:04PM View BBCode
Good luck getting any decent free agents to want to sign in Cleveland now.
happy
mm. Ill pick door #2.
his special is stupid, but the more likely option has nothing to do with cowardice. I never argued against his
statement. Becuase I think narcissistic is spot on.
July 13, 2010 at 06:54PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
It was cowardly because he never talked to anyone in management until a few minutes before he announced the decision. He didn't have the stones to face anyone in the organization and tell them he was leaving
(or, more likely, he didn't want word to leak out which would have ruined his stupid special,but either way it's kind of a total pussy move).
mm. Ill pick door #2.
his special is stupid, but the more likely option has nothing to do with cowardice. I never argued against his
narcissistic, self-promotional build-up
statement. Becuase I think narcissistic is spot on.
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