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Faceman
April 14, 2009 at 09:48PM View BBCode
gotta be rough, being a O's fan. seriously. Tampa Bay?
dirtdevil
is that the same one where happy called me an idiot for sayig that the A's wouldn't make the playoffs last year? that was a good one.
(he did gets the rays right though)
April 14, 2009 at 09:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Duff77
Also, was poking through old threads last night: Tom was right about the Rays last spring, and Craig is correct that with the advent of the Nats, the O's are no longer a large market team.
is that the same one where happy called me an idiot for sayig that the A's wouldn't make the playoffs last year? that was a good one.
(he did gets the rays right though)
FuriousGiorge
April 14, 2009 at 10:03PM View BBCode
If you're going to say something like that, at least post a link to the thread(s).
Duff77
April 14, 2009 at 10:28PM View BBCode
That would've required me to go back today and find it, and I've already wasted a fair chunk of it trying to clear up this nasty rumor you're spreading that I live in a cave.
happy
Game 7 (simon) -- 27 pitches (he did give up 3 home runs in 1.1 innings pitched though... but this is why we need to keep the stupid pitchers in when they arent sucking.)
April 15, 2009 at 03:59AM View BBCode
he does. he does.Game 7 (simon) -- 27 pitches (he did give up 3 home runs in 1.1 innings pitched though... but this is why we need to keep the stupid pitchers in when they arent sucking.)
ironhorse2ko
April 16, 2009 at 11:40AM View BBCode
It's still only the first month of the season. I'm from baltimore and as big a fanatic as anyone. But I have to remember....historically, they start off strong then fizzle at the all-star break. So lets pick this back up after the all-star game and see where they are.
dirtdevil
April 16, 2009 at 01:39PM View BBCode
you think they'll make it to the break before they fizzle?
tm4559
i think the red sox are right now wishing their pitcher didn't go out and give his all for the Empire of Rising Sun. and the orioles are probably fairly happy that Guthrie took it kind of easy in the WBC.
April 16, 2009 at 02:06PM View BBCode
i guess all these guys could go old school nine innings every game, and save the bullpen for something. what that something is, i don't know. the beauty of this armchair quarterbacking is, hindsight just can't miss. the actual manager of the team has to, you know. make decisions that involve unknown outcomes that result from the actions of actual human ballplayers, and not numbers in a freaking column.i think the red sox are right now wishing their pitcher didn't go out and give his all for the Empire of Rising Sun. and the orioles are probably fairly happy that Guthrie took it kind of easy in the WBC.
happy
im not looking in hindsight, im mentioning a trend, Im suggesting that in the future, you at least let your one not totally worthless starting pitcher pitch 120 pitches so that your bullpen isnt worn into the ground. So far only one pitcher has pitched even 100 pitches. and he did it in 4 innings. No one has gone past 6.
[Edited on 4-16-2009 by happy]
April 16, 2009 at 06:50PM View BBCode
game 9, hendrickson 95 pitches...missed game 8 :/im not looking in hindsight, im mentioning a trend, Im suggesting that in the future, you at least let your one not totally worthless starting pitcher pitch 120 pitches so that your bullpen isnt worn into the ground. So far only one pitcher has pitched even 100 pitches. and he did it in 4 innings. No one has gone past 6.
[Edited on 4-16-2009 by happy]
tm4559
April 16, 2009 at 07:01PM View BBCode
trembley used to be the bullpen coach. he can't stop thinking in terms of getting those guys in the game maybe.
tm4559
April 16, 2009 at 07:02PM View BBCode
i mean, last year, all he could think about was why can't somebody, anybody play shorstop (and hit, you know, at least a little bit). this year he has moved on to something different.
Jughead
Do you realize that, without Rene Gonzalez, Albert Belle might never have worn #88?
April 16, 2009 at 07:23PM View BBCode
As has been said, SPs aren't stretched out yet.Do you realize that, without Rene Gonzalez, Albert Belle might never have worn #88?
khazim
They keep starters on heavily restricted pitch counts in Spring Training. I can't speak for the Orioles, but i do know the Rockies keep their potential starters limited to 2-3 innings.
April 16, 2009 at 07:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
well, he did it for guthrie's 2nd start. And they have spring training for a reason.
They keep starters on heavily restricted pitch counts in Spring Training. I can't speak for the Orioles, but i do know the Rockies keep their potential starters limited to 2-3 innings.
tm4559
April 16, 2009 at 07:55PM View BBCode
guthrie was in the WBC, and didn't get the work he would have gotten in even regular spring training. before the US team was eliminated, they (the orioles) asked for him back to try to get him ready for opening day.
dirtdevil
at the beginning ,yes, but most (i had until now thought all) teams will have them stretched out to at least 6 innings by the end. what good is a starter that go only go 3 innings on opening day?
April 16, 2009 at 08:40PM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
They keep starters on heavily restricted pitch counts in Spring Training. I can't speak for the Orioles, but i do know the Rockies keep their potential starters limited to 2-3 innings.
at the beginning ,yes, but most (i had until now thought all) teams will have them stretched out to at least 6 innings by the end. what good is a starter that go only go 3 innings on opening day?
khazim
1. Cook, 55 pitches, 2.1 IP - Obviously ineffective
2. Jimenez, 107 pitches, 7 IP
3. Morales, 91 pitches, 6 IP
4. Marquis, 93 pitches, 7 IP
5. De La Rosa, 99 pitches, 4.2 IP
6. Cook, 87 pitches, 6 IP - Still not #1 stamina IMO.
7. Jimenez, 104 pitches, 3.2 IP - too much work into this small amount of innings, but still he is showing Rotation Ace stamina.
8. Marquis, 108 pitches, 7 IP
okay, I guess the Orioles are babying their starting rotation.
April 16, 2009 at 09:10PM View BBCode
I think it might depend more in pitch count at that point. A shame in a way, really. It used to be that some pitchers didn't really loosen up until they had thrown around 90 pitches. Nolan Ryan's fastball used to get faster the later into the game he got. Bad comparison, as Ryan is a freak of nature, but there it is.1. Cook, 55 pitches, 2.1 IP - Obviously ineffective
2. Jimenez, 107 pitches, 7 IP
3. Morales, 91 pitches, 6 IP
4. Marquis, 93 pitches, 7 IP
5. De La Rosa, 99 pitches, 4.2 IP
6. Cook, 87 pitches, 6 IP - Still not #1 stamina IMO.
7. Jimenez, 104 pitches, 3.2 IP - too much work into this small amount of innings, but still he is showing Rotation Ace stamina.
8. Marquis, 108 pitches, 7 IP
okay, I guess the Orioles are babying their starting rotation.
tm4559
April 16, 2009 at 09:42PM View BBCode
they also have a lot of arms down in the bullpen. they might even be trying to show some of them around to deal them. mcphail is running the team now. maybe seattle has something else he wants to steal.
happy
Maybe he is thinking "if i get 6 quality innings out of my starter, i better take him out before he screws it up", and if the guy lets 9 runs in during the first 2 innings, screw it, just keep him out there because it doesnt matter anwyay.
But Guthrie should pitch 7-8 every single game that he isnt getting shelled. I mean, he is the only one in the rotation who legitimately is more than a fringe major league player.
[Edited on 4-16-2009 by happy]
April 16, 2009 at 09:54PM View BBCode
Its true, the orioles bullpen is much better than their rotation.Maybe he is thinking "if i get 6 quality innings out of my starter, i better take him out before he screws it up", and if the guy lets 9 runs in during the first 2 innings, screw it, just keep him out there because it doesnt matter anwyay.
But Guthrie should pitch 7-8 every single game that he isnt getting shelled. I mean, he is the only one in the rotation who legitimately is more than a fringe major league player.
[Edited on 4-16-2009 by happy]
Jughead
April 17, 2009 at 05:13PM View BBCode
A bullpen led by George Sherrill is better than the rotation? The Orioles do have bad pitching.
tm4559
April 17, 2009 at 05:23PM View BBCode
they have some pitchers down there that have had some sucess, sarfate, johnson, ray, to name a few of the younger ones. they also have some quite nice pitchers in the minors. they have some veterans, like baez, jamie walker, that can get folks out. and sherrill isn't a bad reliever.