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krusecontrol
the whole point of the game is score runs.
So how in the name of Jimmy Carter can scoring runs be a garbage stat???????????????
reply to "ME"
September 16, 2005 at 08:09PM View BBCode
saying runs and RBI are garbage stats might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board, or any other, ever, for that matterthe whole point of the game is score runs.
So how in the name of Jimmy Carter can scoring runs be a garbage stat???????????????
whiskybear
September 16, 2005 at 08:12PM View BBCode
Runs don't help you score runs. OBP and SLG help you score runs.
FuriousGiorge
You need a lesson on critical thinking. And one question mark suffices when you're asking a question. Multiple copies of the same punctuation mark do not add emphasis, they just add stupid.
September 16, 2005 at 08:16PM View BBCode
Originally posted by krusecontrol
saying runs and RBI are garbage stats might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board, or any other, ever, for that matter
You need a lesson on critical thinking. And one question mark suffices when you're asking a question. Multiple copies of the same punctuation mark do not add emphasis, they just add stupid.
krusecontrol
If you're scoring runs, that means you're getting on base.
Yes, unless you homer, you need help to score the run.
But runs and driving in those runs, are vital baseball stats.
In pitching, strikeouts are a way overrated stat. I'll take Maddux and his 78-pitch complete games over Randy Johnson and his 118-pitch efforts.
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September 16, 2005 at 08:18PM View BBCode
But someone actually HAS TO SCORE THE RUN.If you're scoring runs, that means you're getting on base.
Yes, unless you homer, you need help to score the run.
But runs and driving in those runs, are vital baseball stats.
In pitching, strikeouts are a way overrated stat. I'll take Maddux and his 78-pitch complete games over Randy Johnson and his 118-pitch efforts.
FuriousGiorge
It just keeps going downhill. And I thought things were going so well.
Why use runs to measure getting on base when you can use, oh I don't know, on-base percentage? Why use RBI to measure power hitting when you can use, oh I don't know, slugging percentage? Why dick around with half-assed, team-based statistics when you can cut to the quick?
And as far as strikeouts, they matter. A lot. Pitchers who don't strike anyone out do not last in the majors very long.
September 16, 2005 at 08:21PM View BBCode
Originally posted by krusecontrol
But someone actually HAS TO SCORE THE RUN.
If you're scoring runs, that means you're getting on base.
Yes, unless you homer, you need help to score the run.
But runs and driving in those runs, are vital baseball stats.
In pitching, strikeouts are a way overrated stat. I'll take Maddux and his 78-pitch complete games over Randy Johnson and his 118-pitch efforts.
It just keeps going downhill. And I thought things were going so well.
Why use runs to measure getting on base when you can use, oh I don't know, on-base percentage? Why use RBI to measure power hitting when you can use, oh I don't know, slugging percentage? Why dick around with half-assed, team-based statistics when you can cut to the quick?
And as far as strikeouts, they matter. A lot. Pitchers who don't strike anyone out do not last in the majors very long.
Duff77
September 16, 2005 at 10:10PM View BBCode
Even as someone who holds firmly to the concept of clutch hitting, I have to say that as stats go, RBIs aren't too telling. It's not that they're totally useless--they're just so dependent on team performance that they can't be used out of context. Slugging percentage is more independant. Though even at that--a players slugging, OBP, etc., is going to depend somewhat on the players around him--especially for power hitters. Bonds' .500+ OBPs, for instance. They're not just because he's good at drawing walks. They were also because he was a fearsome power hitter who was virtually naked in that lineup.
ME
September 17, 2005 at 12:27AM View BBCode
OBP is better when adjusted to take out intentional walks. guys hitting 8th in hte NL, for example, will have inflated walk totals because htey will be intentionally walked with two outs so the pitcher will have to bat.
Duff77
September 17, 2005 at 05:03PM View formatted
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Even if you take out intentional walks, you can't adjust OBP for all the times a guy was pitched around. And how often a guy is pitched around depends on how good a hitter he is and how good the hitters are behind him.