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Hamilton2
January 07, 2009 at 02:38PM View BBCode
Not to mention that Elway was the QB who couldn't get it done without an outstanding RB.
FuriousGiorge
January 07, 2009 at 03:03PM View BBCode
Brian Billick - great coach, or greatest coach?
whiskybear
(Dammit, Craig, I was going to make the same joke.)
January 07, 2009 at 03:35PM View BBCode
Well he's no Jon Gruden.(Dammit, Craig, I was going to make the same joke.)
dirtdevil
based on the standard apparently in use for this thread, i think it's a toss up between billick (trent dilfer), gruden (brad johnson) and bill parcells (jeff hoestettler). i'll go with parcells i guess. they beat a better team than the other two.
January 07, 2009 at 04:02PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Brian Billick - great coach, or greatest coach?
based on the standard apparently in use for this thread, i think it's a toss up between billick (trent dilfer), gruden (brad johnson) and bill parcells (jeff hoestettler). i'll go with parcells i guess. they beat a better team than the other two.
whiskybear
January 07, 2009 at 04:12PM View BBCode
Nah, I'll see your Parcells and raise you a Joe Gibbs. Quarterbacking his three Super Bowl wins were Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.
tm4559
did you know the fosters we get here is bottled in canada?
January 07, 2009 at 04:13PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
did you know that fosters is not actually the australian word for beer?
did you know the fosters we get here is bottled in canada?
dirtdevil
yes, actually. we're sort of honourary aussies. it's a commonwealth thing, i guess.
January 07, 2009 at 04:17PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
Originally posted by happy
did you know that fosters is not actually the australian word for beer?
did you know the fosters we get here is bottled in canada?
yes, actually. we're sort of honourary aussies. it's a commonwealth thing, i guess.
tm4559
if you have a decent defense (in the case of the redskins, the running game served as the defense, if the other team's offense is on the sidelines watching the clock run, the running game is effectively playing defense) the quarterback's main function is to hand the ball to the running back and otherwise take care of the football (this was a concept norv turner could never grasp. when the redskins lost to tampa bay in the playoffs, turner had johnson throwing right down the middle of the field, into the wind, and the team HAD THE LEAD.
and then the redskins fired tuner later, not after that game. go figure. still, turner is a very fine offensive coach, he had a bad day.
of course, the doug williams thing was a slightly different recipe (in the super bowl anyway). but they did beat buckteethed elway and the broncos. i mean, anybody could beat them.
[Edited on 1-7-2009 by tm4559]
January 07, 2009 at 04:18PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Nah, I'll see your Parcells and raise you a Joe Gibbs. Quarterbacking his three Super Bowl wins were Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.
if you have a decent defense (in the case of the redskins, the running game served as the defense, if the other team's offense is on the sidelines watching the clock run, the running game is effectively playing defense) the quarterback's main function is to hand the ball to the running back and otherwise take care of the football (this was a concept norv turner could never grasp. when the redskins lost to tampa bay in the playoffs, turner had johnson throwing right down the middle of the field, into the wind, and the team HAD THE LEAD.
and then the redskins fired tuner later, not after that game. go figure. still, turner is a very fine offensive coach, he had a bad day.
of course, the doug williams thing was a slightly different recipe (in the super bowl anyway). but they did beat buckteethed elway and the broncos. i mean, anybody could beat them.
[Edited on 1-7-2009 by tm4559]
tm4559
*grin*
the dominions came up big in WWII.
January 07, 2009 at 04:21PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by tm4559
Originally posted by happy
did you know that fosters is not actually the australian word for beer?
did you know the fosters we get here is bottled in canada?
yes, actually. we're sort of honourary aussies. it's a commonwealth thing, i guess.
*grin*
the dominions came up big in WWII.
dirtdevil
it's a good point, but i think all 3 of those guys were better than the hoss. theisman was a 3-timer all-pro and offensive player of the year and doug willilams took the gay-pirate bucs to the nfc championship game, which might make him the best qb of all-time. i think gibbs' greatest coaching performance was getting to the championship game with jay shcroeder.
January 07, 2009 at 04:25PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Nah, I'll see your Parcells and raise you a Joe Gibbs. Quarterbacking his three Super Bowl wins were Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.
it's a good point, but i think all 3 of those guys were better than the hoss. theisman was a 3-timer all-pro and offensive player of the year and doug willilams took the gay-pirate bucs to the nfc championship game, which might make him the best qb of all-time. i think gibbs' greatest coaching performance was getting to the championship game with jay shcroeder.
tm4559
January 07, 2009 at 04:27PM View BBCode
no, rippen was far worse than shcroeder. shcroder was far more stupid, but better.
whiskybear
You're ignoring the fact that Parcells also won a Super Bowl with Phil Simms, a significantly better QB than either Williams or Rypien. And that 3 > 2. The Jay Schroeder thing is really just padding the stats. Joe Gibbs, greatest coach of all-time. I win.
January 07, 2009 at 04:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by whiskybear
Nah, I'll see your Parcells and raise you a Joe Gibbs. Quarterbacking his three Super Bowl wins were Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.
it's a good point, but i think all 3 of those guys were better than the hoss. theisman was a 3-timer all-pro and offensive player of the year and doug willilams took the gay-pirate bucs to the nfc championship game, which might make him the best qb of all-time. i think gibbs' greatest coaching performance was getting to the championship game with jay shcroeder.
You're ignoring the fact that Parcells also won a Super Bowl with Phil Simms, a significantly better QB than either Williams or Rypien. And that 3 > 2. The Jay Schroeder thing is really just padding the stats. Joe Gibbs, greatest coach of all-time. I win.
dirtdevil
could we compromise on schroeder was far more talented, but much dumber and therefore less effective?
January 07, 2009 at 04:47PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
no, rippen was far worse than shcroeder. shcroder was far more stupid, but better.
could we compromise on schroeder was far more talented, but much dumber and therefore less effective?
dirtdevil
good point with simms, but you're ignoring the doug williams as the best qb of all-time argument. those bucs jerseys were will-sappingly awful, and had to be worth a TD or two against every game.
January 07, 2009 at 04:48PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by whiskybear
Nah, I'll see your Parcells and raise you a Joe Gibbs. Quarterbacking his three Super Bowl wins were Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.
it's a good point, but i think all 3 of those guys were better than the hoss. theisman was a 3-timer all-pro and offensive player of the year and doug willilams took the gay-pirate bucs to the nfc championship game, which might make him the best qb of all-time. i think gibbs' greatest coaching performance was getting to the championship game with jay shcroeder.
You're ignoring the fact that Parcells also won a Super Bowl with Phil Simms, a significantly better QB than either Williams or Rypien. And that 3 > 2. The Jay Schroeder thing is really just padding the stats. Joe Gibbs, greatest coach of all-time. I win.
good point with simms, but you're ignoring the doug williams as the best qb of all-time argument. those bucs jerseys were will-sappingly awful, and had to be worth a TD or two against every game.
tm4559
January 07, 2009 at 04:54PM View BBCode
which championship game did the redskins get to with numbnuts jay?
tm4559
schroeder made jeff george look like a MFCS genius.
January 07, 2009 at 04:55PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by tm4559
no, rippen was far worse than shcroeder. shcroder was far more stupid, but better.
could we compromise on schroeder was far more talented, but much dumber and therefore less effective?
schroeder made jeff george look like a MFCS genius.
dirtdevil
they lost to the phil simms quarterbacked giants.
January 07, 2009 at 05:07PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
which championship game did the redskins get to with numbnuts jay?
they lost to the phil simms quarterbacked giants.
tm4559
January 07, 2009 at 05:10PM View BBCode
ah, the NFC championship. the only one of those we count as a championship was when they beat Staubach and the Cowboys.
dirtdevil
see, and i'm drawing a blank on that one. :lol:
('72?)
January 07, 2009 at 05:12PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
ah, the NFC championship. the only one of those we count as a championship was when they beat Staubach and the Cowboys.
see, and i'm drawing a blank on that one. :lol:
('72?)
khazim
January 07, 2009 at 05:13PM View BBCode
on a plus note, I really hope the Broncos can score the Giants DC, Spagnuolo. He's the protege of the Eagles DC Jim Johnson and is very good friends with Philly's GM, whose contract is up at the end of the season, IIRC.
tm4559
as i alluded to before, it was shocking. i mean, when they pounded the danny white cowboys later, that was just natural. but staubach? it was completely crazy.
January 07, 2009 at 05:34PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by tm4559
ah, the NFC championship. the only one of those we count as a championship was when they beat Staubach and the Cowboys.
see, and i'm drawing a blank on that one. :lol:
('72?)
as i alluded to before, it was shocking. i mean, when they pounded the danny white cowboys later, that was just natural. but staubach? it was completely crazy.
tm4559
January 07, 2009 at 05:36PM View BBCode
and yes, '72 (i guess). they lost to the (17-0) dolphins in the Super Bowl, with Kilmer at the helm and Jurgenson on the bench. Allen never did really care much for Sonny.
Jughead
January 07, 2009 at 05:53PM View BBCode
Brian Billick was on The Match Game in the early '70s as a contestant.
dirtdevil
i always felt sort of bad for danny white, actually. he was really a pretty good quarterback- winning % over .650, 3 straight championship game appearances, i mean how many nfl qb's can say that? but he had two major injuries later in his career when he was playing well, and just couldn't manage to get into the super bowl. but all three championship game losses came on the road, to some pretty good teams, and he was on the wrong end of that catch in the end zone that montana and clark pulled out of their collective asses. (and people forget that after that he drove the cowboys back down and came within a safety tackling drew pearson by the jersey of winning that game anyway.) plus he was following a goddamn legend, so anything less than 5 super bowl appearances was going to be criticized. i mean he wasn't staubauch or aikman or even meredith i guess, but he was a lot closer than anyone else in a dallas jersey and i always thought he sort of deserved better.
[Edited on 1-7-2009 by dirtdevil]
January 07, 2009 at 05:53PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
as i alluded to before, it was shocking. i mean, when they pounded the danny white cowboys later, that was just natural. but staubach? it was completely crazy.
i always felt sort of bad for danny white, actually. he was really a pretty good quarterback- winning % over .650, 3 straight championship game appearances, i mean how many nfl qb's can say that? but he had two major injuries later in his career when he was playing well, and just couldn't manage to get into the super bowl. but all three championship game losses came on the road, to some pretty good teams, and he was on the wrong end of that catch in the end zone that montana and clark pulled out of their collective asses. (and people forget that after that he drove the cowboys back down and came within a safety tackling drew pearson by the jersey of winning that game anyway.) plus he was following a goddamn legend, so anything less than 5 super bowl appearances was going to be criticized. i mean he wasn't staubauch or aikman or even meredith i guess, but he was a lot closer than anyone else in a dallas jersey and i always thought he sort of deserved better.
[Edited on 1-7-2009 by dirtdevil]
Jughead
January 07, 2009 at 05:55PM View formatted
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Danny White also punted.