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thindad
Our official rules listed for reference:
FRL Hall of Fame rules.
Eligible Players.
To be eligible for nomination into the hall of fame a player must meet the following conditions.
1. Have had a minimum 10 Year major league career.
2. Be retired within the past 5 seasons. (End of 1970 or later for 1975 nominations) (Note execptions can be made for deserving players with the approval of the commish)
3. Not currently a member of the Hall of Fame.
4. The 10 year career minimum is waived for players that were in the league in its inaugural year.
Nominations:
1. Elgible players can be nominated by any active FRL manager or team for consideration. (Although it is recommended that the player you nominate played for you team at some point.)
2. Nominations are to be posted in a single thread each season.
3. Each manager who nominates a player will as part of their nomination provide a link to the player card and write up the reasons for the nomination.
4. Owners can nominate no more than three players each season.
5. Player nominations are due by May 31 of each season.
Voting:
1. A voting thread is to be posted by June 15.
2. The thread will list all nominated players and ask for managers to vote.
3. Voting for nominated players is to completed by August 31 of each season.
4. All managers may vote on any or all nominations.
5. Late votes do not count unless pre-approved by the commissioner. (The comish may approve late votes for players who are away during the voting)
Induction:
1. In order to be inducted into the hall of fame a player must receive votes from a majority of the managers who voted and no fewer than 7 votes in total.
1975 Hall of Fame
June 30, 2009 at 08:25PM View BBCode
Nominations are now open.Our official rules listed for reference:
FRL Hall of Fame rules.
Eligible Players.
To be eligible for nomination into the hall of fame a player must meet the following conditions.
1. Have had a minimum 10 Year major league career.
2. Be retired within the past 5 seasons. (End of 1970 or later for 1975 nominations) (Note execptions can be made for deserving players with the approval of the commish)
3. Not currently a member of the Hall of Fame.
4. The 10 year career minimum is waived for players that were in the league in its inaugural year.
Nominations:
1. Elgible players can be nominated by any active FRL manager or team for consideration. (Although it is recommended that the player you nominate played for you team at some point.)
2. Nominations are to be posted in a single thread each season.
3. Each manager who nominates a player will as part of their nomination provide a link to the player card and write up the reasons for the nomination.
4. Owners can nominate no more than three players each season.
5. Player nominations are due by May 31 of each season.
Voting:
1. A voting thread is to be posted by June 15.
2. The thread will list all nominated players and ask for managers to vote.
3. Voting for nominated players is to completed by August 31 of each season.
4. All managers may vote on any or all nominations.
5. Late votes do not count unless pre-approved by the commissioner. (The comish may approve late votes for players who are away during the voting)
Induction:
1. In order to be inducted into the hall of fame a player must receive votes from a majority of the managers who voted and no fewer than 7 votes in total.
thindad
1. [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4246040]Issac Sanford[/url] 3B Detriot Wheels 1960 to 1970 and Chicago Wiseguys 1970-1974. A 9 Time All Star with 445 career homruns which is 15 on the all time list. Issac is 11 in all time RBI's at 1545. Sanford has 4 ws rings in 5 apperances and was the key power hitter behind Detroits championship run from 1967-71
2. [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4163536]Bill Davis[/url] C Detroit Wheels and 1957-70 and Montrial Dreadnaughts 1970-1973. 6 time all star. 4 WS rings.
June 30, 2009 at 08:45PM View BBCode
The Detriot Wheels Nominate1. [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4246040]Issac Sanford[/url] 3B Detriot Wheels 1960 to 1970 and Chicago Wiseguys 1970-1974. A 9 Time All Star with 445 career homruns which is 15 on the all time list. Issac is 11 in all time RBI's at 1545. Sanford has 4 ws rings in 5 apperances and was the key power hitter behind Detroits championship run from 1967-71
2. [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4163536]Bill Davis[/url] C Detroit Wheels and 1957-70 and Montrial Dreadnaughts 1970-1973. 6 time all star. 4 WS rings.
emidas
Crowell was instrumental in the Storm's second reign of terror in the FRL, in which they won a league record 6 consecutive Division Titles and won 90 or more games 9 straight seasons. Crowell is one of the few members of the 3,000 hits club with 3,047 (7th all time), and is the all-time stole base king with 629. He also had 347 home runs showcasing the 5-tool potential the Storm saw when they drafted him 20th overall back in 1953. He also scored 1,858 runs(4th all time), won 2 MVP's, and was named to 11 All-Star teams.
Last but certainly not least, he played his ENTIRE career as a Storm, an accomplishment very few FRL players can boast.
June 30, 2009 at 09:46PM View BBCode
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3999510]Carl Crowell[/url] SS 1956-1973Crowell was instrumental in the Storm's second reign of terror in the FRL, in which they won a league record 6 consecutive Division Titles and won 90 or more games 9 straight seasons. Crowell is one of the few members of the 3,000 hits club with 3,047 (7th all time), and is the all-time stole base king with 629. He also had 347 home runs showcasing the 5-tool potential the Storm saw when they drafted him 20th overall back in 1953. He also scored 1,858 runs(4th all time), won 2 MVP's, and was named to 11 All-Star teams.
Last but certainly not least, he played his ENTIRE career as a Storm, an accomplishment very few FRL players can boast.
WillyD
1. Derrick Cooper, CF (1956-1974) [url]http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3931796[/url]
Derrick won Rookie of the year in the AL his first season with Kansas City, and went on to have one of the greatest careers in the FRL. His careers numbers are impressive. He ranks 3rd in Home Runs (522). 3rd in Doubles (541). 3rd in Hits (3,259). 1st in RBI (1,976). 5th in Runs Scored (1,834), & 6th in Triples(138). Derrick even ranks 15th all-time in steals (354), and was a great defensive CF, compiling a +/- rating of +101, showing his 5-tool ability. One note: Derrick batted 7th his last few years in Brooklyn. His career numbers could have been even more impressive. He was an All-star 10 times, and won 4 straight MVP awards from 1966-1969. Derrick played in the post-season 11 years, playing in 4 World Series, 3 of which were with Brooklyn, and winning the championship in his only W.S. appearance with the Washington Crooks.
2. Bob Roberts, SP (1951-1964) [url]http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3758709[/url]
Bob played his entire career in Cleveland making quite a name for himself. He was a 9-time All-star in his 14 seasons in the big leagues. He was a 3-time Cy Young award winner, including back to back in 1961 & 1962! Bob had a career WHIP of 1.17, had 119 CG's (4th best all-time), and won 20 games or more 6 times. He appeared in 9 ALCS and 4 World Series, winning 2 Rings.
Bob along with a lot of former X-Box players were overlooked during the past nominations. They are all in now, but somehow Bob missed being nominated by 1 vote last year. If you look at some of the pitchers in the HoF, you'll see Roberts fairs well in comparison, if not surpassing them in accomplishments and/or statisitics. Pitching greats like Earnest Hemmingway, Jose Marti, and teammate Kelvin Toca especially had very similar numbers. For example, Bob had more wins, less losses, more CG's and shutouts, more Rings, W.S. and playoff appearances, and more all-star nominations. He also one 1 more CYA and had a lower career ERA and WHIP than Earnest Hemmingway.
Hopefully another year later, people will realize Bob Roberts deserves to be a Hall of Fame member.
I urge everyone to vote this year, especially the new guys. The HoF is important for our league, and brings some identity and tradition to the FRL.
Thanks.
[Edited on 6-30-2009 by WillyD]
June 30, 2009 at 11:05PM View BBCode
Milwaukee nominates the following two players:1. Derrick Cooper, CF (1956-1974) [url]http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3931796[/url]
Derrick won Rookie of the year in the AL his first season with Kansas City, and went on to have one of the greatest careers in the FRL. His careers numbers are impressive. He ranks 3rd in Home Runs (522). 3rd in Doubles (541). 3rd in Hits (3,259). 1st in RBI (1,976). 5th in Runs Scored (1,834), & 6th in Triples(138). Derrick even ranks 15th all-time in steals (354), and was a great defensive CF, compiling a +/- rating of +101, showing his 5-tool ability. One note: Derrick batted 7th his last few years in Brooklyn. His career numbers could have been even more impressive. He was an All-star 10 times, and won 4 straight MVP awards from 1966-1969. Derrick played in the post-season 11 years, playing in 4 World Series, 3 of which were with Brooklyn, and winning the championship in his only W.S. appearance with the Washington Crooks.
2. Bob Roberts, SP (1951-1964) [url]http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3758709[/url]
Bob played his entire career in Cleveland making quite a name for himself. He was a 9-time All-star in his 14 seasons in the big leagues. He was a 3-time Cy Young award winner, including back to back in 1961 & 1962! Bob had a career WHIP of 1.17, had 119 CG's (4th best all-time), and won 20 games or more 6 times. He appeared in 9 ALCS and 4 World Series, winning 2 Rings.
Bob along with a lot of former X-Box players were overlooked during the past nominations. They are all in now, but somehow Bob missed being nominated by 1 vote last year. If you look at some of the pitchers in the HoF, you'll see Roberts fairs well in comparison, if not surpassing them in accomplishments and/or statisitics. Pitching greats like Earnest Hemmingway, Jose Marti, and teammate Kelvin Toca especially had very similar numbers. For example, Bob had more wins, less losses, more CG's and shutouts, more Rings, W.S. and playoff appearances, and more all-star nominations. He also one 1 more CYA and had a lower career ERA and WHIP than Earnest Hemmingway.
Hopefully another year later, people will realize Bob Roberts deserves to be a Hall of Fame member.
I urge everyone to vote this year, especially the new guys. The HoF is important for our league, and brings some identity and tradition to the FRL.
Thanks.
[Edited on 6-30-2009 by WillyD]
emidas
July 01, 2009 at 02:20AM View BBCode
As far as Roberts goes, he's past the 5 years of eligibility; also, we made the special exception to nominate him back in 1973, and he was denied.
WillyD
July 01, 2009 at 03:21AM View BBCode
I think he should get 5 years like everyone else. It's a travesty he's not in the HoF. I wouldn't be bringing it up if I didn't feel it was important. Hell, he's not even my player. I hope people compare his stats to the players I mentioned.
emidas
July 01, 2009 at 05:26AM View BBCode
The issue is that he DID get his 5 years (plus a 6th, courtesy of our 1973 special exception). If you look, I voted for him to get in. However, we have rules set in place for a reason, and we even used a loophole of a special exception once in his favor and that failed. Why should he keep getting additional chances?
WillyD
July 01, 2009 at 04:28PM View BBCode
Fine. Just don't expect people to get exited about the HoF anymore. A lot of players from the 50's didn't get a fair shake. I did a lot of research to get some of the obvious players who deserve to be in HoF nominated. If you think that our HoF is perfect right now, you're wrong. There is still some clean-up to do. I realized you voted for him and so did Thindad. Of the people who did not vote for him or not at all, I think most of them left the league. I would suggest this: Poll the new guys and if 3 of the 5 think Roberts should get one more nomination then let's give him his due. Hey remember the other guys had their 5-10 seasons or whatever, but they were only nominated once in that period. Rules are good, but not if they create injustice with no way to undo it.
Kozpan
July 01, 2009 at 05:25PM View BBCode
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4387958]John Child[/url]- Chicago Wiseguys, 1960 through 1974. Child was one of the best closers in the league for eleven seasons, winning four closer of the year awards. He lead the league in saves four times during that stretch and was the backbone of the Wiseguys championship bullpen. He retired three saves short of 500.
emidas
For the record, I'm inclined to agree with you. He should get another shot. Most of the older guys that deserve it but didn't get voted in were due to 1) owners not paying attention to deserving players that retired, 2) owners not caring about the HoF, and 3) departing owners couldn't nominate their players, and new owners didn't know the players that retired.
Ultimately, it's Thindad's decision as the man behind the Hall. If we were to vote, I'd vote to give Roberts at least one more shot. However, I think if we were to do so, we'd have to modify our rules to include how many years a prior overlooked player should get to be on the ballot (in cases like this) for future reference.
July 01, 2009 at 05:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Fine. Just don't expect people to get exited about the anymore. A lot of from the 50's didn't get a fair shake. I did a lot of research to get some of the obvious players who deserve to be in HoF nominated. If you think that our HoF is perfect right now, you're wrong. There is still some clean-up to do. I realized you voted for him and so did Thindad. Of the people who did not vote for him or not at all, I think most of them left the league. I would suggest this: Poll the new guys and if 3 of the 5 think Roberts should get one more nomination then let's give him his due. Hey remember the other guys had their 5-10 seasons or whatever, but they were only nominated once in that period. Rules are good, but not if they create injustice with no way to undo it.
For the record, I'm inclined to agree with you. He should get another shot. Most of the older guys that deserve it but didn't get voted in were due to 1) owners not paying attention to deserving players that retired, 2) owners not caring about the HoF, and 3) departing owners couldn't nominate their players, and new owners didn't know the players that retired.
Ultimately, it's Thindad's decision as the man behind the Hall. If we were to vote, I'd vote to give Roberts at least one more shot. However, I think if we were to do so, we'd have to modify our rules to include how many years a prior overlooked player should get to be on the ballot (in cases like this) for future reference.
thindad
When I was counting the vote, I wondered if some who did not vote for Rogers rejected him because he was a exception to our origional rules.
Roberts record fits into the mid range of the 7 Starting Pitchers we have voted into the hall of fame. He certainly deserved to be voted in. But, that did not happen.
You believe that Rogers will be elected in another vote. There is no way of knowing how that vote will turn out.
I do not disagree with your assertion that the hall of fame is imperfect. The hall of fame will always be imprefect due to a variety of reasons. I encourage you to live with our imprefections. We all have to do plenty of that in the real world.
I thank you Willy for your research on deserving and missed players. Your interest has improved our hall of fame. I hope you are as pleased as I am with your successes. The league's failure to vote for Rogers was not your failure.
I think your desire to get things right is great.
But, that must also be balanced by my desire both to respect the rules and to honor the past votes of both current and departed managers. No matter how deserving the player I am very uncomfortable with changing the rules to allow for additional nominations of players.
However, as a manager you have every right to propose a rule change. I will gladly consider any change you propose.
Perhaps it might be better to draft a rule change in another thread for us to discuss and vote on as a separate issue. There is still some time before we need to post the vote to allow us to carefully consider a useful change.
Thanks Willy for your effort to improve our hall of fame.
Thindad
July 01, 2009 at 09:17PM View BBCode
Roberts got a shot. And I did support him. No matter how deserving he did not get elected. Our rules do not allow another vote and I do not support an additional execption for Roberts.When I was counting the vote, I wondered if some who did not vote for Rogers rejected him because he was a exception to our origional rules.
Roberts record fits into the mid range of the 7 Starting Pitchers we have voted into the hall of fame. He certainly deserved to be voted in. But, that did not happen.
You believe that Rogers will be elected in another vote. There is no way of knowing how that vote will turn out.
I do not disagree with your assertion that the hall of fame is imperfect. The hall of fame will always be imprefect due to a variety of reasons. I encourage you to live with our imprefections. We all have to do plenty of that in the real world.
I thank you Willy for your research on deserving and missed players. Your interest has improved our hall of fame. I hope you are as pleased as I am with your successes. The league's failure to vote for Rogers was not your failure.
I think your desire to get things right is great.
But, that must also be balanced by my desire both to respect the rules and to honor the past votes of both current and departed managers. No matter how deserving the player I am very uncomfortable with changing the rules to allow for additional nominations of players.
However, as a manager you have every right to propose a rule change. I will gladly consider any change you propose.
Perhaps it might be better to draft a rule change in another thread for us to discuss and vote on as a separate issue. There is still some time before we need to post the vote to allow us to carefully consider a useful change.
Thanks Willy for your effort to improve our hall of fame.
Thindad
tpconnor
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4163351
Garbowski had a really unique career. In his first 8 seasons, he worked exclusively out of the bullpen and enjoyed a great deal of success. He was an All-Star 5 out of those 8 seasons and won the Fireman Award twice - in 1961 and 1963 (leading the majors in saves both years). Garbowski's 1961 season was phenomenal - 50 saves, 0 blown saves, 2-1 record, 0.84 WHIP and a 0.78 ERA. He gave up 5 runs the entire season. (In hindsight, he should have pitched much more than he did!)
Beginning in 1964, Garbowski began to transition into the starting rotation. By 1966 he was a full-time starter and in 1967 he was chosen as the starting pitcher in the All-Star Game (with a season stat line of 21-5, 1.03 WHIP and 2.69 ERA).
Garbowski was dealt to St Louis before the 1968 season, where he continued to have success as a starter. He led the majors in WHIP in 1968 and in Wins (with 23) in 1970 (when he was voted to the All-Star team as a starter for the second time).
Garbowski finished his career with 188 Wins, 314 Saves, 8 All-Star appearances (6 as a reliever and 2 as a starter) and 2 Fireman Awards. He retired after winning his second WS ring last year (unfortunately, neither ring was won in Baltimore).
July 02, 2009 at 07:42PM View BBCode
Baltimore nominates Gail Garbowski:http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4163351
Garbowski had a really unique career. In his first 8 seasons, he worked exclusively out of the bullpen and enjoyed a great deal of success. He was an All-Star 5 out of those 8 seasons and won the Fireman Award twice - in 1961 and 1963 (leading the majors in saves both years). Garbowski's 1961 season was phenomenal - 50 saves, 0 blown saves, 2-1 record, 0.84 WHIP and a 0.78 ERA. He gave up 5 runs the entire season. (In hindsight, he should have pitched much more than he did!)
Beginning in 1964, Garbowski began to transition into the starting rotation. By 1966 he was a full-time starter and in 1967 he was chosen as the starting pitcher in the All-Star Game (with a season stat line of 21-5, 1.03 WHIP and 2.69 ERA).
Garbowski was dealt to St Louis before the 1968 season, where he continued to have success as a starter. He led the majors in WHIP in 1968 and in Wins (with 23) in 1970 (when he was voted to the All-Star team as a starter for the second time).
Garbowski finished his career with 188 Wins, 314 Saves, 8 All-Star appearances (6 as a reliever and 2 as a starter) and 2 Fireman Awards. He retired after winning his second WS ring last year (unfortunately, neither ring was won in Baltimore).
MADDogg13
Los Angeles seconds this
Mr Cooper came to the Expansion team The Los Angels Anacary in 1974 before retireing & as the Los Angeles team rallied around his mentorship to keep them on top for the majaority of the season.
July 04, 2009 at 08:28PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Milwaukee nominates the following two players:
1. Derrick Cooper, CF (1956-1974) [url]http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3931796[/url]
Derrick won Rookie of the year in the AL his first season with Kansas City, and went on to have one of the greatest careers in the FRL. His careers numbers are impressive. He ranks 3rd in Home Runs (522). 3rd in Doubles (541). 3rd in Hits (3,259). 1st in RBI (1,976). 5th in Runs Scored (1,834), & 6th in Triples(138). Derrick even ranks 15th all-time in steals (354), and was a great defensive CF, compiling a +/- rating of +101, showing his 5-tool ability. One note: Derrick batted 7th his last few years in Brooklyn. His career numbers could have been even more impressive. He was an All-star 10 times, and won 4 straight MVP awards from 1966-1969. Derrick played in the post-season 11 years, playing in 4 World Series, 3 of which were with Brooklyn, and winning the championship in his only W.S. appearance with the Washington Crooks.
........
Los Angeles seconds this
Mr Cooper came to the Expansion team The Los Angels Anacary in 1974 before retireing & as the Los Angeles team rallied around his mentorship to keep them on top for the majaority of the season.
WillyD
July 04, 2009 at 09:31PM View BBCode
Sorry MADDOG, normally I would have let you nominate him, but I promised the old Washington owner I would make sure he was nominated.
MADDogg13
I dont care who Nominates him ... I said I second the nomination thats all ..... hes is clearly a walkin HOF player
& in your original post you dont say your nominating him for a different (ex) team.
July 05, 2009 at 07:05PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Sorry MADDOG, normally I would have let you nominate him, but I promised the old Washington owner I would make sure he was nominated.
I dont care who Nominates him ... I said I second the nomination thats all ..... hes is clearly a walkin HOF player
Originally posted by thindad
Nominations are now open.
Our official rules listed for reference:
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1. Elgible players can be nominated by any active FRL manager or team for consideration. [color=red](Although it is recommended that the player you nominate played for you team at some point.)[/color]
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& in your original post you dont say your nominating him for a different (ex) team.
Zombies
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3931872]Joe Walling[/url] 3320 hits, 487 home runs, 438 steals, .321 career batting average, 2005 runs, 1534 RBI's, two rings and a nine time all star...
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3999461]Rusty Hernon[/url] 253 wins, 2894 strikeouts, 2 rings and 5 time all star...
Edit: I'm a little late with my nominations, but I'm hoping we can push these through...
[Edited on 7-8-2009 by Zombies]
July 08, 2009 at 08:19PM View BBCode
The Boston Rounders nominate...[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3931872]Joe Walling[/url] 3320 hits, 487 home runs, 438 steals, .321 career batting average, 2005 runs, 1534 RBI's, two rings and a nine time all star...
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3999461]Rusty Hernon[/url] 253 wins, 2894 strikeouts, 2 rings and 5 time all star...
Edit: I'm a little late with my nominations, but I'm hoping we can push these through...
[Edited on 7-8-2009 by Zombies]
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