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| Poll: Greatest Baseball Player of All Time | |
|---|---|
| Babe Ruth | 9 |
| Ty Cobb | 0 |
| Willie Mays | 2 |
| Barry Bonds | 0 |
| Rogers Hornsby | 1 |
| Stan Musial | 0 |
| Joe Dimmagio | 0 |
| Hank Aaron | 1 |
| Other | 0 |
jojo888
Greatest Baseball Player of All Time
February 11, 2004 at 03:57AM View BBCode
Im gonna have to go with Ruth
happy
February 11, 2004 at 03:58AM View BBCode
you asked this? and put people other than Ruth and Bonds on here? Ruth is the best, Bonds is the second best
happy
Topic: Write an essay of your choice, and then at the end write a paragraph explaining what you think this essay shows about what kind of person you are.
Barry Bonds is the second best baseball player ever. I am part of a small minority that believes this. Many people donâ??t think that Bonds is as good as Ted Williams or Willie Mays, and those who do usually think he is better than Babe Ruth. I am going to argue that Ruth is better than Bonds, and Bonds is better than Williams and Mays.
Proving Ruth is better than Bonds is simple. Most people who put Bonds ahead of Ruth argue that Ruth was just â??at the right place at the right timeâ?? as the reason he revolutionized baseball. However, he was the only one to invent the long ball. During two seasons no other AL team hit more home runs than Babe Ruth. People also forget that Babe Ruth was a great pitcher at the beginning of his career, winning 20 games twice. His career ERA (earned run average) was 2.28. Walter Johnson is considered the best pitcher of all time, and his ERA was 2.17, only slightly lower
Barry Bonds plays in a time where both the average SLG (slugging percentage) is higher, and the average OBP (on base percentage) is higher. Nevertheless, his career SLG is .602 and his career OBP is .433, compared to Ruthâ??s astounding SLG of .690 and OBP of .474. Bonds is a better baserunner. Ruth had 123 career stolen bases, compared to Bondsâ??s 500 stolen bases.
Proving Bonds is better than Williams and Mays is harder. Williams was better in the batters box with an OBP of .482 and a SLG of .634, both higher than Bonds. But Williams had only 24 career stolen bases; Bonds had twice as many in one season. Williams was at best an average fielder, while Bonds has won eight Gold Gloves. Finally, Bonds had perhaps the two greatest hitting seasons in history. In 2001, Bonds broke a single season record by posting an .863 SLG and in 2002, broke another single season record with a .582 OBP.
Mays is the reverse of Williams; he is perhaps the best defensive outfielder in the history of baseball. He won a Gold Glove every year from 1957 to 1968. His stolen base career total was 338, indicative of a great baserunner. But with a career OBP of .384, and a career SLG of .557, Mays isnâ??t statistically close to Bonds in the batters box.
No doubt Willie Mays and Ted Williams were great players. Neither was as good an all-around player as Bonds. Bonds is one of three players to get 40 steals and 40 home runs in the same season. He is the only player to have 500 steals and 500 home runs in his career (no one else has 400 of both). His speed, batting power, and great defense make him the second best player ever.
This essay demonstrates my interest in both history and math. Obviously I love the history of baseball, but I support my argument with statistics. People who are not interested in math make arguments that include â??club personalityâ?? or â??clutch hittingâ?? which cannot be quantified. This essay also shows that I love to argue. I love debating in all forms. This may be the direct effect of having two lawyers as parents. My mom loves history; my dad loves baseball. Both love math. Both were students of the University; I hope to be too.
February 11, 2004 at 04:00AM View BBCode
here is one of my college application essays, i dont feel like taking out all the BS that doesnt have to do with this subject...Topic: Write an essay of your choice, and then at the end write a paragraph explaining what you think this essay shows about what kind of person you are.
Barry Bonds is the second best baseball player ever. I am part of a small minority that believes this. Many people donâ??t think that Bonds is as good as Ted Williams or Willie Mays, and those who do usually think he is better than Babe Ruth. I am going to argue that Ruth is better than Bonds, and Bonds is better than Williams and Mays.
Proving Ruth is better than Bonds is simple. Most people who put Bonds ahead of Ruth argue that Ruth was just â??at the right place at the right timeâ?? as the reason he revolutionized baseball. However, he was the only one to invent the long ball. During two seasons no other AL team hit more home runs than Babe Ruth. People also forget that Babe Ruth was a great pitcher at the beginning of his career, winning 20 games twice. His career ERA (earned run average) was 2.28. Walter Johnson is considered the best pitcher of all time, and his ERA was 2.17, only slightly lower
Barry Bonds plays in a time where both the average SLG (slugging percentage) is higher, and the average OBP (on base percentage) is higher. Nevertheless, his career SLG is .602 and his career OBP is .433, compared to Ruthâ??s astounding SLG of .690 and OBP of .474. Bonds is a better baserunner. Ruth had 123 career stolen bases, compared to Bondsâ??s 500 stolen bases.
Proving Bonds is better than Williams and Mays is harder. Williams was better in the batters box with an OBP of .482 and a SLG of .634, both higher than Bonds. But Williams had only 24 career stolen bases; Bonds had twice as many in one season. Williams was at best an average fielder, while Bonds has won eight Gold Gloves. Finally, Bonds had perhaps the two greatest hitting seasons in history. In 2001, Bonds broke a single season record by posting an .863 SLG and in 2002, broke another single season record with a .582 OBP.
Mays is the reverse of Williams; he is perhaps the best defensive outfielder in the history of baseball. He won a Gold Glove every year from 1957 to 1968. His stolen base career total was 338, indicative of a great baserunner. But with a career OBP of .384, and a career SLG of .557, Mays isnâ??t statistically close to Bonds in the batters box.
No doubt Willie Mays and Ted Williams were great players. Neither was as good an all-around player as Bonds. Bonds is one of three players to get 40 steals and 40 home runs in the same season. He is the only player to have 500 steals and 500 home runs in his career (no one else has 400 of both). His speed, batting power, and great defense make him the second best player ever.
This essay demonstrates my interest in both history and math. Obviously I love the history of baseball, but I support my argument with statistics. People who are not interested in math make arguments that include â??club personalityâ?? or â??clutch hittingâ?? which cannot be quantified. This essay also shows that I love to argue. I love debating in all forms. This may be the direct effect of having two lawyers as parents. My mom loves history; my dad loves baseball. Both love math. Both were students of the University; I hope to be too.
happy
I bet no one is going to read it. that is fine, i dont read your long posts either;)
February 11, 2004 at 04:01AM View BBCode
my first really long post :DI bet no one is going to read it. that is fine, i dont read your long posts either;)
hobos
actually, i hope the best for you and your college aspirations.
you follow a long post by a relatively short one when you couldve edited the long one. also, what proof do you have that Mays and Williams are 3rd/4th best players
[Edited on 2-11-2004 by hobos]
February 11, 2004 at 04:06AM View BBCode
hope you're applying to a community college:lol:actually, i hope the best for you and your college aspirations.
you follow a long post by a relatively short one when you couldve edited the long one. also, what proof do you have that Mays and Williams are 3rd/4th best players
[Edited on 2-11-2004 by hobos]
jojo888
also, who gives a crap about bonds' stolen bases. bonds probably stole half those bases just to pad his numbers, not to win ball games.
i have to go, but i will definitely be back to argue more. :D
[Edited on 2-11-2004 by jojo888]
February 11, 2004 at 04:12AM View BBCode
obviously we agree that ruth is the greatest player of all time, but how can you put bonds ahead of mays? look at all the inflated numbers of today. do you think bonds would be the slugger that he is if he played forty years ago?also, who gives a crap about bonds' stolen bases. bonds probably stole half those bases just to pad his numbers, not to win ball games.
i have to go, but i will definitely be back to argue more. :D
[Edited on 2-11-2004 by jojo888]
happy
Bonds was around most of his career before the inflated stats. Also Bonds plays in one of the 2 Pitcher's parks left, and has NO ONE hitting around him. Although Mays is the best defensive player ever, Bonds is a great defensive player in his own right.
February 11, 2004 at 04:15AM View BBCode
To pad his stats? he padded his stats with 500 steals??? FIVE HUNDRED! that is a huge amount of steals for a slugger.Bonds was around most of his career before the inflated stats. Also Bonds plays in one of the 2 Pitcher's parks left, and has NO ONE hitting around him. Although Mays is the best defensive player ever, Bonds is a great defensive player in his own right.
hobos
February 11, 2004 at 04:21AM View BBCode
pac bell has only been around a few years. i dont know if Candlestick Park was a pitching park, but he was there longer than pac bell(i think...)
skierdude44
February 11, 2004 at 12:08PM View BBCode
didnt we have a topic like this before and we concluded that it is too hard to compare players from different eras. i mean i think that ruth is the greatest player ever and i think most will agree but it is hard to make a list of say, 1-10.
jojo888
bonds had kent to hit behind him for a number of years.
February 11, 2004 at 03:15PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
Also Bonds plays in one of the 2 Pitcher's parks left, and has NO ONE hitting around him.
bonds had kent to hit behind him for a number of years.
DougB
Ruth had some fella... I forget his name... Lou something?
February 11, 2004 at 04:31PM View BBCode
Bonds had Kent??? Are you freakin' serious?Ruth had some fella... I forget his name... Lou something?
happy
wrong. bonds had kent hit in front if him, and he was at best a "good" player. As Doug B correctly pointed out, Ruth was in murderers row.
i left out all players before the modern era (around 1920) which left out Wagner and Walter Johnson among others.
February 11, 2004 at 04:34PM View BBCode
Originally posted by jojo888
Originally posted by happy
Also Bonds plays in one of the 2 Pitcher's parks left, and has NO ONE hitting around him.
bonds had kent to hit behind him for a number of years.
wrong. bonds had kent hit in front if him, and he was at best a "good" player. As Doug B correctly pointed out, Ruth was in murderers row.
i left out all players before the modern era (around 1920) which left out Wagner and Walter Johnson among others.
FuriousGiorge
-He was the best hitter, at any position, of his era. He led his league in OPS 8 times, and was the dominant offensive player in the game before Ty Cobb.
-He stole 722 career bases, 10th all time. Yes, more bases were stolen then, but he did lead his league in steals 5 times.
-He played (arguably) the toughest position on the diamond to fill, and at the very least the most important defensive position. Whereas his competition in best player ever is mostly outfielders (Ruth, Mays, Williams), he is the only infielder.
-He played that position, by all contemporary accounts and according to the statistical evidence, better than just about anyone else with a long career except for Ozzie Smith.
If you compare Honus to other players, based on position scarcity and achievements at the plate compared to the norm for his era, you will find him easily in the top 5. If you add in his baserunning, his versatility and his excellence in the field, you can make a case that he was the best player ever. Personally, I know that Ruth was better (mostly because he was also a pitcher, and a damn good one), but Honus should be in this discussion.
February 11, 2004 at 09:46PM View BBCode
If you're going to leave off players because of their era, then why not draw the line at 1947? A lot of other people have. Honus Wagner is one of the tiny handful of players that you can legitimately make the argument that they were the greatest player ever:-He was the best hitter, at any position, of his era. He led his league in OPS 8 times, and was the dominant offensive player in the game before Ty Cobb.
-He stole 722 career bases, 10th all time. Yes, more bases were stolen then, but he did lead his league in steals 5 times.
-He played (arguably) the toughest position on the diamond to fill, and at the very least the most important defensive position. Whereas his competition in best player ever is mostly outfielders (Ruth, Mays, Williams), he is the only infielder.
-He played that position, by all contemporary accounts and according to the statistical evidence, better than just about anyone else with a long career except for Ozzie Smith.
If you compare Honus to other players, based on position scarcity and achievements at the plate compared to the norm for his era, you will find him easily in the top 5. If you add in his baserunning, his versatility and his excellence in the field, you can make a case that he was the best player ever. Personally, I know that Ruth was better (mostly because he was also a pitcher, and a damn good one), but Honus should be in this discussion.
Smocko
He's better than Rogers Hornsby at least. :P
Hank Aaron Anyone?
February 11, 2004 at 10:47PM View BBCode
1st all-time in Hrs (755) and RBIs (2297), 3rd all-time in hits (makes for a great trivia question), 3rd in runs, .305 lifetime avg., 240 steals. Also 1st in total bases.He's better than Rogers Hornsby at least. :P
ME
February 12, 2004 at 12:25AM View BBCode
aaron was consitent over many years, but never hit more than 50 in a single season and was never a gerat contact hitter.
jojo888
C
Johnny Bench-389 career HRs
1B
Lou Gehrig-.340, 493HR, .632 SLG
2B
Rogers Hornsby-.358, 301HR, and he hit over .400 THREE times!!! also, at one time he had a .403 AVG over a 5 year span.
3B
Eddie Mathews-512HR, .271 AVG
SS
Alex Rodriguez-so far .308, 345HR
OF
Babe Ruth-.342, 714HR, .690 SLG. Also, a 94-46 record, 2.28 ERA
Stan Musial-.331, 475 HR
Ty Cobb .367, second in all-time hits
P
Christy Mathewson-373-188 record, 2.13 ERA, and 2502 SO
February 12, 2004 at 02:18AM View BBCode
greatest in my opinionC
Johnny Bench-389 career HRs
1B
Lou Gehrig-.340, 493HR, .632 SLG
2B
Rogers Hornsby-.358, 301HR, and he hit over .400 THREE times!!! also, at one time he had a .403 AVG over a 5 year span.
3B
Eddie Mathews-512HR, .271 AVG
SS
Alex Rodriguez-so far .308, 345HR
OF
Babe Ruth-.342, 714HR, .690 SLG. Also, a 94-46 record, 2.28 ERA
Stan Musial-.331, 475 HR
Ty Cobb .367, second in all-time hits
P
Christy Mathewson-373-188 record, 2.13 ERA, and 2502 SO
Smocko
ME
February 12, 2004 at 02:25AM View BBCode
Want are you, a bird-watching sword-wielding communist ? Explain this avatar at once. ;)
ME
1B- Gehrig
2B- Hornsby
SS- Wagner (A-Rod by the time he retires though, unless he pulls a Ken Griffey Jr.)
3B- Schimdt
LF- Bonds
CF- Mays
RF- Ruth
DH- Ted Williams
SP- Walter Johnson
RP- ???
Pinch Runner- Rickey Henderson
February 12, 2004 at 02:26AM View BBCode
C- Bench1B- Gehrig
2B- Hornsby
SS- Wagner (A-Rod by the time he retires though, unless he pulls a Ken Griffey Jr.)
3B- Schimdt
LF- Bonds
CF- Mays
RF- Ruth
DH- Ted Williams
SP- Walter Johnson
RP- ???
Pinch Runner- Rickey Henderson
Cubsfan13
1st Lou Gherig
2nd Roger Hornsby
3rd Brooks Robinson
SS Alex Rodriguez
OFWillie Mays
OFRickey Henderson
OFBarry Bonds
SP Babe Ruth
DH Ted Williams
Pinch Runner Lou Brock
February 12, 2004 at 02:32AM View BBCode
C Ivan Rodriguez1st Lou Gherig
2nd Roger Hornsby
3rd Brooks Robinson
SS Alex Rodriguez
OFWillie Mays
OFRickey Henderson
OFBarry Bonds
SP Babe Ruth
DH Ted Williams
Pinch Runner Lou Brock
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