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sycophantman
Dawson??
Marge Schott has passed on...
March 02, 2004 at 07:46PM View BBCode
Yup, she died at the age of 75, just saw it on CNN, any thoughts?Dawson??
HollywoodOz
March 02, 2004 at 07:47PM View BBCode
Great. Now we have an oppurtunity to pi$$ on her grave.
sycophantman
Let me drink a couple glasses of water real quick.
March 02, 2004 at 08:04PM View BBCode
That's a kodak moment right there...Let me drink a couple glasses of water real quick.
dawson
March 02, 2004 at 09:11PM View BBCode
Whoa! Hold your thoughts there guys. A very proud woman who won a world series for the great city of Cincinnati. We will miss the great Ms. Schott.
sycophantman
But she had an almost toxic mindset.
March 02, 2004 at 09:14PM View BBCode
Maybe I was a little harsh, she did just pass on...But she had an almost toxic mindset.
FuriousGiorge
March 02, 2004 at 10:01PM View BBCode
Old school is "Back in my day, I used to walk 6 miles to school, in the snow, uphill both ways," not "My million dollar n-----s" or "Everybody knows he was good at the beginning but he just went too far" when referencing Hitler. I don't think she was evil, but she was an intolerant, hateful old woman who lucked into a World Series in the midst of trying to run the franchise into the ground. Good riddance to her, quite frankly.
ME
March 02, 2004 at 10:12PM View BBCode
I dont know why if she was a Nazi she didn't trade away all the non-white players and get John Rocker
dawson
She was of German decent and so what if she collected memorabilia from Nazi Germany, that doesn't mean she was a Nazi. She was uncooth, she was very rough, and the media took advantage of that. The Hitler comment came in jest to a reporter who was touring her home and looking at hers and her husbands collection. I can't say she was an angel, but she did great things in Cincinnati. Without her donations, the World Famous Cincinnati Zoo would not be what it is today. And no one person in this area has done as much for our children than she did.
Yes she called Jose Rijo her million dollar n----r, once. Yes, she made Eric Davis find his own way home after he injured himself in the 1990 World Series.
She was no angel, but she wasn't a hateful old women who lucked into a World Series while trying to run a franchise into the ground. That is an idiotic statement, and even though you may not have been a fan, so some respect for the deceased.
Stepping down.
[Edited on 3-2-2004 by dawson]
March 02, 2004 at 10:49PM View BBCode
Stepping onto my pedestal:She was of German decent and so what if she collected memorabilia from Nazi Germany, that doesn't mean she was a Nazi. She was uncooth, she was very rough, and the media took advantage of that. The Hitler comment came in jest to a reporter who was touring her home and looking at hers and her husbands collection. I can't say she was an angel, but she did great things in Cincinnati. Without her donations, the World Famous Cincinnati Zoo would not be what it is today. And no one person in this area has done as much for our children than she did.
Yes she called Jose Rijo her million dollar n----r, once. Yes, she made Eric Davis find his own way home after he injured himself in the 1990 World Series.
She was no angel, but she wasn't a hateful old women who lucked into a World Series while trying to run a franchise into the ground. That is an idiotic statement, and even though you may not have been a fan, so some respect for the deceased.
Stepping down.
[Edited on 3-2-2004 by dawson]
andrew
March 02, 2004 at 11:01PM View BBCode
Lets be careful here folks. I have a feeling this is a touchy subject for some and I don't want it to get out of hand.
HollywoodOz
I lived in Cincinnati for a year, and I wouldn't spit on Marge Schott if she were on fire. Which, incidentally, she probably is, about now. Think about it...
Not a single person who has worked for Marge Schott has ever, at least as far as I've seen, had anything good to say about her. Her team may have won a World Series, but that sure as hell wasn't because she gave a damn about anything but the bottom line. She was a bigot, not 'old school'. She was abusive, not 'abrasive'. She was a penny-pinching old crone who took one of the most respectable baseball franchises in the history of the game and turned it into a sideshow of name-calling, skinflint budgets and utter embarrassment.
So she's dead now, and you want me to respect her because of that fact? No. Hitler's also dead, and I'm not about to speak well of him, even though Marge did.
Being dead doesn't forgive your sins. What you do when you're alive does.
PS: The Cincinnati Zoo?... Dude, that place is falling apart, and in one the crappiest neighborhoods in the Midwest to boot. If Marge helped make it better, I'd have hated to see what it was like beforehand.
What did she do anyway, name the monkeyhouse after Jose Rijo?
"And in this damp ten-foot hole we have a tiger. Who'd like to throw a rock at the tiger? Anyone?"
March 02, 2004 at 11:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dawson She was no angel, but she wasn't a hateful old women who lucked into a World Series while trying to run a franchise into the ground. That is an idiotic statement, and even though you may not have been a fan, so some respect for the deceased.
I lived in Cincinnati for a year, and I wouldn't spit on Marge Schott if she were on fire. Which, incidentally, she probably is, about now. Think about it...
Not a single person who has worked for Marge Schott has ever, at least as far as I've seen, had anything good to say about her. Her team may have won a World Series, but that sure as hell wasn't because she gave a damn about anything but the bottom line. She was a bigot, not 'old school'. She was abusive, not 'abrasive'. She was a penny-pinching old crone who took one of the most respectable baseball franchises in the history of the game and turned it into a sideshow of name-calling, skinflint budgets and utter embarrassment.
So she's dead now, and you want me to respect her because of that fact? No. Hitler's also dead, and I'm not about to speak well of him, even though Marge did.
Being dead doesn't forgive your sins. What you do when you're alive does.
PS: The Cincinnati Zoo?... Dude, that place is falling apart, and in one the crappiest neighborhoods in the Midwest to boot. If Marge helped make it better, I'd have hated to see what it was like beforehand.
What did she do anyway, name the monkeyhouse after Jose Rijo?
"And in this damp ten-foot hole we have a tiger. Who'd like to throw a rock at the tiger? Anyone?"
skierdude44
March 03, 2004 at 12:21AM View BBCode
from what i heard she wasnt a very nice person. i personally was too young to remember anything from when she owned the reds, so i cant make any statements by first hand accounts. she had some good points, sitting in the stands with fans, lowering ticket prices, and apparantly she was very nice to kids, HOWEVER, she showed racial intolerance, which is unforgivable, and did some other just kinda nasty things, like making her gm pay his way to the allstar game and making lou pinella pay for three bats he signed and donated to charity. and i agree with hollywood, just because she is dead doesnt forgive her for her sins.
sycophantman
that, even in jest, you simply cannot say that Hitler was misunderstood
should not have any position of power.
It was a bonus that she had Schottzie crapping all over the field
in Cincinnati, a lowbrow classic...
March 03, 2004 at 01:01AM View BBCode
I'll just say that if someone doesn't have the wherewithal to realizethat, even in jest, you simply cannot say that Hitler was misunderstood
should not have any position of power.
It was a bonus that she had Schottzie crapping all over the field
in Cincinnati, a lowbrow classic...
skierdude44
March 03, 2004 at 02:09AM View BBCode
yea i heard that she intentionally did that so the grounds keepers had to go clean it up.
Duff77
But as far as Schott goes... She never had anything to do with any team I've ever cared about, so I don't really give a damn.
March 03, 2004 at 06:57AM View BBCode
I have to say it's difficult for me to speak highly of anyone who suggests, no matter the context, the Hitler was misunderstood, or that he "went too far." But you know, it's an ongoing issue in this culture... I mean look at the confederacy. There are lots of people who celebrate confederate history and nobody really seems to have a problem with it...for the most part. It's not an offense to anyone suggest an affinity for the Confederacy or to say that "the south had it's good points." Doesn't seem to matter that they were largely fighting to protect the institution of slavery, which is only a step down on the horror-meter from the kind of ethnic genocide practiced by Hitler. So as a purely philsophical question, why is one okay and not the other?But as far as Schott goes... She never had anything to do with any team I've ever cared about, so I don't really give a damn.
sycophantman
"I feel cheated. This isn't supposed to happen to us,
not in Cincinnati. ... Just my luck. First it snows on
Opening Day, and now this,"
-Marge Schott responding to the season opener being called off
in 1996 because umpire John McSherry collapsed and died on the field.
Classy...
March 03, 2004 at 02:47PM View BBCode
Here's an old Marge Schott chestnut, enjoy!"I feel cheated. This isn't supposed to happen to us,
not in Cincinnati. ... Just my luck. First it snows on
Opening Day, and now this,"
-Marge Schott responding to the season opener being called off
in 1996 because umpire John McSherry collapsed and died on the field.
Classy...
ME
March 03, 2004 at 03:32PM View BBCode
You can say Hitler's dark cloud had a silver lining (economic recovery in Germany by military spending and currency reform), but that's all it is, a silver lining. You can't ignore the dark cloud (killing 10 million innocents).
nextyearcubs
Second, I would think it to be viewed as largely unpatriotic, flying the rebel flag instead of our stars and stripes... And people claim to be proud of it???
I don't think most people grasp or care what they are saying about themselves when they do this... The fact that they are allowed the freedom to do this should make them want to fly our flag instead!!!
But about Marge Schott, I could care less. I know she was far from perfect, but does it really make anyone feel better to laugh on the grave of the deceased? Hollywood, I don't think the Hitler comparison is appropriate here, when you say that you either make Marge look much worse than she was (she may have been a bad person, but did not commit massive atrocities against humanity) or, more likely, you make Hitler look not as bad... I think you need to let up on the hyperbole.
March 03, 2004 at 05:15PM View BBCode
I like the parallel about the Confederacy... I think its a sign of ignorance to embrace the Confederacy, but that's just me. I could never quite understand why someone would want to display that, like when you see the flags on people's cars, houses. Or even the car from the Dukes of Hazzard. I mean, first off, its like saying to the world that you are a racist... is being small minded and prejudiced something to be proud of?Second, I would think it to be viewed as largely unpatriotic, flying the rebel flag instead of our stars and stripes... And people claim to be proud of it???
I don't think most people grasp or care what they are saying about themselves when they do this... The fact that they are allowed the freedom to do this should make them want to fly our flag instead!!!
But about Marge Schott, I could care less. I know she was far from perfect, but does it really make anyone feel better to laugh on the grave of the deceased? Hollywood, I don't think the Hitler comparison is appropriate here, when you say that you either make Marge look much worse than she was (she may have been a bad person, but did not commit massive atrocities against humanity) or, more likely, you make Hitler look not as bad... I think you need to let up on the hyperbole.
DrDiamond
March 03, 2004 at 09:09PM View BBCode
I'm old school as well. I was taught that if you can''t say anything good about someone, not to say anything at all. With that in mind, let me just say about Ms. Schott ...Pages: 1