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Hodor
1) Is it possible to have more time between a (single season) league is filled and the draft starts?
I mean, instead of being 24/48 hours, make it at least 48/72 hours, so we get more time to analyze and adjust our draft board?
2) Alternatively -or in addition to that- is it possible to have the draft divided in two different dates?
Draft the first round today and the rest tomorrow.
It would be a great help specially in those positions where we need 2 different kind of players (FS/SS, OLB/ILB, LT/RT), but also where we could use 2 different skillsets in the same position (WR jump/speed vs WR carrying/agility/breaking tackles, etc).
We could set the latter rounds depending on what kind of player we got in the first round. It would make the draft more interesting, more challenging and more meaningful.
Cheers!
Initial Draft Schedule
December 15, 2012 at 07:22AM View BBCode
Hi.1) Is it possible to have more time between a (single season) league is filled and the draft starts?
I mean, instead of being 24/48 hours, make it at least 48/72 hours, so we get more time to analyze and adjust our draft board?
2) Alternatively -or in addition to that- is it possible to have the draft divided in two different dates?
Draft the first round today and the rest tomorrow.
It would be a great help specially in those positions where we need 2 different kind of players (FS/SS, OLB/ILB, LT/RT), but also where we could use 2 different skillsets in the same position (WR jump/speed vs WR carrying/agility/breaking tackles, etc).
We could set the latter rounds depending on what kind of player we got in the first round. It would make the draft more interesting, more challenging and more meaningful.
Cheers!
spicoli306
October 27, 2013 at 07:06AM View BBCode
I second this. I'm near quitting the football league that I've been a part of since inception because it is just too difficult to get bids placed and players ranked in the 24 hour time period. I know the trial leagues are free so it is not a priority to the admins, but it continues season after season. Only a couple teams configure their draft boards and the rest are left with autopicks. It makes for an unfair advantage and makes it so that the majority of owners don't even get to choose their players.
Admin
How long do you feel like it takes you to get a draft properly evaluated, and are there aspects of the process that you feel slow you down unnecessarily?
Chris
October 30, 2013 at 02:36AM View BBCode
When I originally designed the system there were plans to split up the rounds, but there were some timing complications. I am certainly open to ideas for revamping the initial draft process.How long do you feel like it takes you to get a draft properly evaluated, and are there aspects of the process that you feel slow you down unnecessarily?
Chris
Hodor
At least in my experience, right after the initial draft happens, I know how good/bad things will go for me in the season... and since almost nobody sorts their draft, usually things go somewhat good for me.
But maybe if there was more time for other owners to sort their draftboards, then things would be a bit more even for everybody.
Here are a few things that I have thought after a few initial drafts that I've played:
1. Sometimes the time to sort out the draft is even LESS than 24 hours.
If I join a single season league that it's about to be filled (or if I'm the last team to join) and the league is filled by midnight (not sure when is the deadline), then I go to sleep, the draft happens tomorrow early afternoon. If I had to go to work or school I had no time to sort out my draft.
It should be at least 24 hours, meaning that if the league is not filled by 16 hs -iirc- then the draft won't happen the next day.
But I would give minimum 48 hours instead of 24 giving at lest 2 days for the last team to join to sort out their draft.
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2. Is it possible to make the next initial draft available right after this season starts?
The 1961 initial draft is available for me to start sorting it out since the 1960 week 1. This way, I would have the whole 1960 season to start sorting my 1961 draft and I wouldn't mind to have the draft immediatly right after the league is filled for 1961.
Wouldn't this be a huge advantage for the teams that are already on the league against the newly created teams?
Yeah, sure... but this would encourage teams to remain on the league, since that disadvantage only lasts for one season and then they'll get that bonus for as long as they remain on the league.
(Also, the way it is now, the older teams already have that advantage, although it's only for a couple of days.)
What if the league don't reach the minimum of teams to keep it alive?
First, as I said, teams would be encouraged to remain in the league since that would be when the "real game" begins (after having one full season to sort out your draft).
Second, why not lower down a bit the minimum of teams? make it 8 (why not 5?) instead of ten... after all, a new league will start with 0 teams anyway, why not keep one that already has some teams and history on it?
Even more: the draft aspect of the game is already one of the most fun and interesting parts of the premium leagues, but I think it's not used enough in the single season leagues. Imho, this would "advertise" the game better, giving the single season team owners a better taste of what this game is about and a better chance to be successful and remain in here.
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3. Is it possible to have a different draft board for each superround?
Let's take Tackles.
Tackles are drafted in the 6, 16 and 26 rounds (1st, 2nd and 3rd superrounds).
Right now I sort all the tackles in my Tackle draftboard and hope to get a good combo of Left and Right tackles.
What if round my round 16 draftboard could be different than my round 6 draftboard?
The default would be that round 6, 16 and 26 draftboards are the same, so you won't HAVE to sort different draftboards; but if I untick a checkbox in round 16, I could sort it out different than my round 6.
This way I could sort all the Left (or Right) Tackles in the round 6 and the Right (or Left) tackles on my round 16, making sure that I'd get the players I need.
Right now, I could end up drafting 3 right tackles and no one to pass block.
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4. Different superrounds at different times
We have each quarter played at different times already, we could have each superround also played at different times having the option to make adjustments between them.
THIS ALSO APPLIES FOR THE COLLEGE DRAFT.
Maybe not different days (which I wouldn't mind), but at least a couple of hours between rounds would give enough time to modify our draftboards depending on what we had already drafted.
(again, this also would help a lot in the College Draft, if not every round, at least making it similar to the NFL draft: 1st round - 2 or 3 hours - 2nd and 3rd round - 2 or 3 hours - 4th to 7th rounds. ---or 1st, 2 or 3 hours - 2nd, 2 or 3 hours - 3rd to 7th)
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that's what I remember right now for the Initial Draft.
About college draft there's way more, but it doesn't belong in here.
One more thing, if the initial draft is important in single season leagues, is way more important and harder to sort for the premium leagues (you have to consider things like potential and age, which are basically ignored in single season leagues.
I would give even more days to new premium leagues after they are filled to when the draft is held. The first five - ten seasons of a premium league depends heavily on the initial draft and having only a couple of days to sort it out is not enough imho.
Thanks for the attention!
November 01, 2013 at 04:07PM View BBCode
First I'd like to insist that the initial draft is WAY TOO IMPORTANT.At least in my experience, right after the initial draft happens, I know how good/bad things will go for me in the season... and since almost nobody sorts their draft, usually things go somewhat good for me.
But maybe if there was more time for other owners to sort their draftboards, then things would be a bit more even for everybody.
Here are a few things that I have thought after a few initial drafts that I've played:
1. Sometimes the time to sort out the draft is even LESS than 24 hours.
If I join a single season league that it's about to be filled (or if I'm the last team to join) and the league is filled by midnight (not sure when is the deadline), then I go to sleep, the draft happens tomorrow early afternoon. If I had to go to work or school I had no time to sort out my draft.
It should be at least 24 hours, meaning that if the league is not filled by 16 hs -iirc- then the draft won't happen the next day.
But I would give minimum 48 hours instead of 24 giving at lest 2 days for the last team to join to sort out their draft.
---
2. Is it possible to make the next initial draft available right after this season starts?
The 1961 initial draft is available for me to start sorting it out since the 1960 week 1. This way, I would have the whole 1960 season to start sorting my 1961 draft and I wouldn't mind to have the draft immediatly right after the league is filled for 1961.
Wouldn't this be a huge advantage for the teams that are already on the league against the newly created teams?
Yeah, sure... but this would encourage teams to remain on the league, since that disadvantage only lasts for one season and then they'll get that bonus for as long as they remain on the league.
(Also, the way it is now, the older teams already have that advantage, although it's only for a couple of days.)
What if the league don't reach the minimum of teams to keep it alive?
First, as I said, teams would be encouraged to remain in the league since that would be when the "real game" begins (after having one full season to sort out your draft).
Second, why not lower down a bit the minimum of teams? make it 8 (why not 5?) instead of ten... after all, a new league will start with 0 teams anyway, why not keep one that already has some teams and history on it?
Even more: the draft aspect of the game is already one of the most fun and interesting parts of the premium leagues, but I think it's not used enough in the single season leagues. Imho, this would "advertise" the game better, giving the single season team owners a better taste of what this game is about and a better chance to be successful and remain in here.
---
3. Is it possible to have a different draft board for each superround?
Let's take Tackles.
Tackles are drafted in the 6, 16 and 26 rounds (1st, 2nd and 3rd superrounds).
Right now I sort all the tackles in my Tackle draftboard and hope to get a good combo of Left and Right tackles.
What if round my round 16 draftboard could be different than my round 6 draftboard?
The default would be that round 6, 16 and 26 draftboards are the same, so you won't HAVE to sort different draftboards; but if I untick a checkbox in round 16, I could sort it out different than my round 6.
This way I could sort all the Left (or Right) Tackles in the round 6 and the Right (or Left) tackles on my round 16, making sure that I'd get the players I need.
Right now, I could end up drafting 3 right tackles and no one to pass block.
---
4. Different superrounds at different times
We have each quarter played at different times already, we could have each superround also played at different times having the option to make adjustments between them.
THIS ALSO APPLIES FOR THE COLLEGE DRAFT.
Maybe not different days (which I wouldn't mind), but at least a couple of hours between rounds would give enough time to modify our draftboards depending on what we had already drafted.
(again, this also would help a lot in the College Draft, if not every round, at least making it similar to the NFL draft: 1st round - 2 or 3 hours - 2nd and 3rd round - 2 or 3 hours - 4th to 7th rounds. ---or 1st, 2 or 3 hours - 2nd, 2 or 3 hours - 3rd to 7th)
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that's what I remember right now for the Initial Draft.
About college draft there's way more, but it doesn't belong in here.
One more thing, if the initial draft is important in single season leagues, is way more important and harder to sort for the premium leagues (you have to consider things like potential and age, which are basically ignored in single season leagues.
I would give even more days to new premium leagues after they are filled to when the draft is held. The first five - ten seasons of a premium league depends heavily on the initial draft and having only a couple of days to sort it out is not enough imho.
Thanks for the attention!
Admin
This is exactly how it works. If the league fills before 6PM, the draft happens the next day at 6PM. If it fills at 6:01PM it happens 47 hours 59 minutes later.
This isn't difficult, but my issue is newer owners; every day they have nothing to do is a day they may not come back.
It used to be 5, actually. The problem was that we had a LOT of partially-full leagues waiting to fill, sometimes 3 to 4 weeks at a stretch.
In the original plan, each superround would happen separately, an hour or so apart. I may revisit hat idea to give you a chance to adjust between rounds.
That is where trading comes in. :)
As noted, I am investigating doing these; these were in the original design so part of the code is already there.
I really need to do a poll on this, I think.
Chris
November 21, 2013 at 11:18PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Hodor
1. Sometimes the time to sort out the draft is even LESS than 24 hours.
It should be at least 24 hours, meaning that if the league is not filled by 16 hs -iirc- then the draft won't happen the next day.
This is exactly how it works. If the league fills before 6PM, the draft happens the next day at 6PM. If it fills at 6:01PM it happens 47 hours 59 minutes later.
But I would give minimum 48 hours instead of 24 giving at lest 2 days for the last team to join to sort out their draft.
This isn't difficult, but my issue is newer owners; every day they have nothing to do is a day they may not come back.
Second, why not lower down a bit the minimum of teams? make it 8 (why not 5?) instead of ten... after all, a new league will start with 0 teams anyway, why not keep one that already has some teams and history on it?
It used to be 5, actually. The problem was that we had a LOT of partially-full leagues waiting to fill, sometimes 3 to 4 weeks at a stretch.
3. Is it possible to have a different draft board for each superround?
Let's take Tackles.
Tackles are drafted in the 6, 16 and 26 rounds (1st, 2nd and 3rd superrounds).
Right now I sort all the tackles in my Tackle draftboard and hope to get a good combo of Left and Right tackles.
What if round my round 16 draftboard could be different than my round 6 draftboard?
The default would be that round 6, 16 and 26 draftboards are the same, so you won't HAVE to sort different draftboards; but if I untick a checkbox in round 16, I could sort it out different than my round 6.
This way I could sort all the Left (or Right) Tackles in the round 6 and the Right (or Left) tackles on my round 16, making sure that I'd get the players I need.
In the original plan, each superround would happen separately, an hour or so apart. I may revisit hat idea to give you a chance to adjust between rounds.
Right now, I could end up drafting 3 right tackles and no one to pass block.
That is where trading comes in. :)
4. Different superrounds at different times
We have each quarter played at different times already, we could have each superround also played at different times having the option to make adjustments between them.
THIS ALSO APPLIES FOR THE COLLEGE DRAFT.
Maybe not different days (which I wouldn't mind), but at least a couple of hours between rounds would give enough time to modify our draftboards depending on what we had already drafted.
(again, this also would help a lot in the College Draft, if not every round, at least making it similar to the NFL draft: 1st round - 2 or 3 hours - 2nd and 3rd round - 2 or 3 hours - 4th to 7th rounds. ---or 1st, 2 or 3 hours - 2nd, 2 or 3 hours - 3rd to 7th)
As noted, I am investigating doing these; these were in the original design so part of the code is already there.
One more thing, if the initial draft is important in single season leagues, is way more important and harder to sort for the premium leagues (you have to consider things like potential and age, which are basically ignored in single season leagues.
I would give even more days to new premium leagues after they are filled to when the draft is held. The first five - ten seasons of a premium league depends heavily on the initial draft and having only a couple of days to sort it out is not enough imho.
Thanks for the attention!
I really need to do a poll on this, I think.
Chris
Hodor
I had the impression that a couple of times I saw it different; but knowing myself, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm confused.
yeah, I get that...
Ok, I still think that it could be lowered a bit, but it really doesn't matter after all. That was just a "collateral" effect on my main point which was this:
2. Is it possible to make the next initial draft available right after this season starts?
The 1961 initial draft should be available for me to start sorting it out since the 1960 week 1. This way, I would have the whole 1960 season to start sorting my 1961 draft and I wouldn't mind to have the draft immediatly right after the league is filled for 1961.
I really think that this could be the best solution for single season leagues initial drafts.
Forget about the 24 or 48 hour window, you can give the owners a whole season to sort out their draft, they could be more motivated to remain in that league, leagues should become more competitive and it wouldn't take extra time between seasons.
Thanks.
Now, pushing it a little bit I'd give two hours between the first couple of rounds and none for the rest, like this:
(super) round 1
2 hours
(super) round 2
2 hours
(super) round 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7
That (4 hour draft, enough time to adjust for the 2nd and the rest of it), opposed as to give 1 hour between all the rounds (6 hour draft).
Just to make it clear, in this case I'm talking about the INITIAL draft in newly created premier leagues (specially the 32 teams ones), not about the college draft.
November 22, 2013 at 01:25AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Admin
This is exactly how it works. If the league fills before 6PM, the draft happens the next day at 6PM. If it fills at 6:01PM it happens 47 hours 59 minutes later.
I had the impression that a couple of times I saw it different; but knowing myself, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm confused.
Originally posted by AdminThis isn't difficult, but my issue is newer owners; every day they have nothing to do is a day they may not come back.
yeah, I get that...
Originally posted by Admin
It used to be 5, actually. The problem was that we had a LOT of partially-full leagues waiting to fill, sometimes 3 to 4 weeks at a stretch.
Ok, I still think that it could be lowered a bit, but it really doesn't matter after all. That was just a "collateral" effect on my main point which was this:
2. Is it possible to make the next initial draft available right after this season starts?
The 1961 initial draft should be available for me to start sorting it out since the 1960 week 1. This way, I would have the whole 1960 season to start sorting my 1961 draft and I wouldn't mind to have the draft immediatly right after the league is filled for 1961.
I really think that this could be the best solution for single season leagues initial drafts.
Forget about the 24 or 48 hour window, you can give the owners a whole season to sort out their draft, they could be more motivated to remain in that league, leagues should become more competitive and it wouldn't take extra time between seasons.
Originally posted by Admin
In the original plan, each superround would happen separately, an hour or so apart. I may revisit hat idea to give you a chance to adjust between rounds.
Thanks.
Now, pushing it a little bit I'd give two hours between the first couple of rounds and none for the rest, like this:
(super) round 1
2 hours
(super) round 2
2 hours
(super) round 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7
That (4 hour draft, enough time to adjust for the 2nd and the rest of it), opposed as to give 1 hour between all the rounds (6 hour draft).
One more thing, if the initial draft is important in single season leagues, is way more important and harder to sort for the premium leagues (you have to consider things like potential and age, which are basically ignored in single season leagues.
I would give even more days to new premium leagues after they are filled to when the draft is held. The first five - ten seasons of a premium league depends heavily on the initial draft and having only a couple of days to sort it out is not enough imho.
Thanks for the attention!
Originally posted by Admin
I really need to do a poll on this, I think.
Chris
Just to make it clear, in this case I'm talking about the INITIAL draft in newly created premier leagues (specially the 32 teams ones), not about the college draft.
Admin
Back when the sim was less stable and occasionally a draft would fail, it's possible that the fix for one league may have accelerated things for another league, so you may have actually seen that. Things like that fortunately are much rarer now.
I'd have to look into this one. It would give owners who are out of contention something to do. It would complicate a bunch of stuff but it doesn't mean it's impossible. I'll think about the implications of this.
That sounds good too. I've never been 100% happy with the initial draft format, it gives too much advantage to experienced players over new players and is a bit intimidating to newer players.
New Premium leagues usually take a while (usually a full week) to fill; it's often only the last couple of owners that may be in a time crunch. But it's something to consider as I revamp things.
Something I do need to add is something like baseball has to allow you to prioritize different skills for each position. In baseball though there are only two "positions" (pitcher and batter) where there are 14 in football (more if you split RB's and S's).
Chris
[Edited on 1-14-2014 by Admin]
January 14, 2014 at 09:12AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Hodor
I had the impression that a couple of times I saw it different; but knowing myself, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm confused.
Back when the sim was less stable and occasionally a draft would fail, it's possible that the fix for one league may have accelerated things for another league, so you may have actually seen that. Things like that fortunately are much rarer now.
2. Is it possible to make the next initial draft available right after this season starts?
The 1961 initial draft should be available for me to start sorting it out since the 1960 week 1. This way, I would have the whole 1960 season to start sorting my 1961 draft and I wouldn't mind to have the draft immediatly right after the league is filled for 1961.
I really think that this could be the best solution for single season leagues initial drafts.
I'd have to look into this one. It would give owners who are out of contention something to do. It would complicate a bunch of stuff but it doesn't mean it's impossible. I'll think about the implications of this.
Originally posted by Admin
In the original plan, each superround would happen separately, an hour or so apart. I may revisit hat idea to give you a chance to adjust between rounds.
Thanks.
Now, pushing it a little bit I'd give two hours between the first couple of rounds and none for the rest, like this:
(super) round 1
2 hours
(super) round 2
2 hours
(super) round 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7
That (4 hour draft, enough time to adjust for the 2nd and the rest of it), opposed as to give 1 hour between all the rounds (6 hour draft).
That sounds good too. I've never been 100% happy with the initial draft format, it gives too much advantage to experienced players over new players and is a bit intimidating to newer players.
One more thing, if the initial draft is important in single season leagues, is way more important and harder to sort for the premium leagues (you have to consider things like potential and age, which are basically ignored in single season leagues.
I would give even more days to new premium leagues after they are filled to when the draft is held. The first five - ten seasons of a premium league depends heavily on the initial draft and having only a couple of days to sort it out is not enough imho.
New Premium leagues usually take a while (usually a full week) to fill; it's often only the last couple of owners that may be in a time crunch. But it's something to consider as I revamp things.
Something I do need to add is something like baseball has to allow you to prioritize different skills for each position. In baseball though there are only two "positions" (pitcher and batter) where there are 14 in football (more if you split RB's and S's).
Chris
[Edited on 1-14-2014 by Admin]
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