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paulcaraccio
In this thread, let's hash out the differences between dynasty leagues and speed leagues and see if we do indeed arrive at the commonly held conclusion that dynasty leagues are easier.
I'll get the party started with a couple of things, one is meaningless but amuses me considering which side of the debate I'm on.
- In a dynasty league, there are 16 teams, and 1 wins the title; in a speed league, there are 16 teams, and 1 wins the title.
For me, that's the end of the debate. Saying 1 out of 16 is harder than 1 out of 16 is going to be a hard argument to sell.
- as a speed league chaperone I've won 2 championships by pure blind accidental luck. Wasn't even trying at all. Just pared the minors down to 15, didn't make any trades to help the team contend in the current year, and checked in once a day or so just to see how the minor league kids were developing, out of curiosity. So I always find that funny, since those leagues are so hard, that without chaperones, ghost teams would be winning over there.
So let's hear it, speed leaguers...what gives you your sense of superiority?
Not trying to be a dick, although I'm sure it's happening anyway, but I would honestly like to know, why this idea exists that one 1/16 is any more difficult than another 1/16.
(Please don't respond with something like hellll no we didn't debunk the Power > Contact theory!, ha, we have the other thread for that)
Sim Dynasty Mythbusters Part 2: Dynasty leagues are child's play
December 22, 2013 at 05:08AM View BBCode
Now that we've debunked the idea that power is always better than contact, seems like a good time to move on to the next episode of Sim Mythbusters!In this thread, let's hash out the differences between dynasty leagues and speed leagues and see if we do indeed arrive at the commonly held conclusion that dynasty leagues are easier.
I'll get the party started with a couple of things, one is meaningless but amuses me considering which side of the debate I'm on.
- In a dynasty league, there are 16 teams, and 1 wins the title; in a speed league, there are 16 teams, and 1 wins the title.
For me, that's the end of the debate. Saying 1 out of 16 is harder than 1 out of 16 is going to be a hard argument to sell.
- as a speed league chaperone I've won 2 championships by pure blind accidental luck. Wasn't even trying at all. Just pared the minors down to 15, didn't make any trades to help the team contend in the current year, and checked in once a day or so just to see how the minor league kids were developing, out of curiosity. So I always find that funny, since those leagues are so hard, that without chaperones, ghost teams would be winning over there.
So let's hear it, speed leaguers...what gives you your sense of superiority?
Not trying to be a dick, although I'm sure it's happening anyway, but I would honestly like to know, why this idea exists that one 1/16 is any more difficult than another 1/16.
(Please don't respond with something like hellll no we didn't debunk the Power > Contact theory!, ha, we have the other thread for that)
dirtdevil
The difficulty level between dynasty and speed leagues has nothing to do with how many teams win titles each year. It has to do with how many owners are active in the league. In general, more speed leagues have a higher number of active owners than do dynasty leagues. It is harder to beat 14 players than 8. Additionally, dynasty leagues tend to have higher degrees of turnover and expansion drafts for new owners. That means that new owners in dynasty leagues tend to be starting with a mishmash of players from a few different teams, which tends to lead to several weaker teams that need to then all be rebuilt into contenders. Speed leagues tend to have direct takeover for new owners which doesn't dilute the talent in the same manner. Since dynasty leagues also seem to have this happen more regularly, the owners who are there long term have a much easier path than they would in a league where 14 guys were present for an extended period.
I do wonder if this discrepancy is less now that the old distinction between premium leagues and speed leagues has been removed. Even it it's less now thou, it is still real
*as always, this is not a comparison or slam at any one league of any kind. I'm not saying that all dynasty leagues are easier than all speed leagues. In the aggregate though, they are.
[Edited on 12-22-2013 by dirtdevil]
December 22, 2013 at 02:42PM View BBCode
Yeah, you haven't debunked anything with regards to power.The difficulty level between dynasty and speed leagues has nothing to do with how many teams win titles each year. It has to do with how many owners are active in the league. In general, more speed leagues have a higher number of active owners than do dynasty leagues. It is harder to beat 14 players than 8. Additionally, dynasty leagues tend to have higher degrees of turnover and expansion drafts for new owners. That means that new owners in dynasty leagues tend to be starting with a mishmash of players from a few different teams, which tends to lead to several weaker teams that need to then all be rebuilt into contenders. Speed leagues tend to have direct takeover for new owners which doesn't dilute the talent in the same manner. Since dynasty leagues also seem to have this happen more regularly, the owners who are there long term have a much easier path than they would in a league where 14 guys were present for an extended period.
I do wonder if this discrepancy is less now that the old distinction between premium leagues and speed leagues has been removed. Even it it's less now thou, it is still real
*as always, this is not a comparison or slam at any one league of any kind. I'm not saying that all dynasty leagues are easier than all speed leagues. In the aggregate though, they are.
[Edited on 12-22-2013 by dirtdevil]
WillyD
This is actually untrue. I'm in 3 speed leagues with expansion drafts. In Dynasty leagues, you buy the team directly, so there are no expansion drafts.
But I agree with DD overall. I'm in a dynasty league, and although they're are some very good owners in the DSL, there are a lot newer owners, and a few owners that have been around for a while, but never figured the game out for whatever reason. I've been in some speed leagues like that too, but I find it extremely unlikely that there are Dynasty leagues as competitive as the BHL or the PWL.
December 22, 2013 at 02:59PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Additionally, dynasty leagues tend to have higher degrees of turnover and expansion drafts for new owners.
[Edited on 12-22-2013 by dirtdevil]
This is actually untrue. I'm in 3 speed leagues with expansion drafts. In Dynasty leagues, you buy the team directly, so there are no expansion drafts.
But I agree with DD overall. I'm in a dynasty league, and although they're are some very good owners in the DSL, there are a lot newer owners, and a few owners that have been around for a while, but never figured the game out for whatever reason. I've been in some speed leagues like that too, but I find it extremely unlikely that there are Dynasty leagues as competitive as the BHL or the PWL.
cdunn3
have expansion drafts is untrue.
As to turnover, look at the list of speed leagues
looking for owners. Every 2 months the
dynasty leagues fill up - an average of about
1 per league. I would not be surprised if the
turnover rate is lower in dynasty leagues than
speed leagues.
Comparing the 2 based on what they were 5
or 6 years ago seems to be what the private (speed)
league boosters seem to take into consideration.
December 22, 2013 at 03:35PM View BBCode
This comment by Dirt that dynasty leagueshave expansion drafts is untrue.
As to turnover, look at the list of speed leagues
looking for owners. Every 2 months the
dynasty leagues fill up - an average of about
1 per league. I would not be surprised if the
turnover rate is lower in dynasty leagues than
speed leagues.
Comparing the 2 based on what they were 5
or 6 years ago seems to be what the private (speed)
league boosters seem to take into consideration.
ballmark
December 22, 2013 at 04:14PM View BBCode
Dynasty leagues are the natural next step for a player new to the game coming out of a trial league. So I suspect it would be fair to say that, as a general rule - though there are always exceptions - Speed leagues will tend to have a more experienced ownership group, on average. That doesn't guarantee a tougher row to hoe, but it most likely is.
cdunn3
with dynasty leagues.
There are numerous speed leagues for $12-14 for
3 months available immediately. This contrasts
with (currently) $17 for 2 seasons for dynasty leagues.
There are probably as many owners coming from trial
leagues that go to subscription speed leagues as to
dynasty leagues.
Also, bear in mind that many dynasty league openings
are taken by experienced owners - those seeking a
new or additional team.
December 22, 2013 at 04:33PM View BBCode
I am not so sure about trial league owners startingwith dynasty leagues.
There are numerous speed leagues for $12-14 for
3 months available immediately. This contrasts
with (currently) $17 for 2 seasons for dynasty leagues.
There are probably as many owners coming from trial
leagues that go to subscription speed leagues as to
dynasty leagues.
Also, bear in mind that many dynasty league openings
are taken by experienced owners - those seeking a
new or additional team.
WillyD
December 22, 2013 at 05:18PM View BBCode
Most speed leagues and Dynasty leagues just don't seem to have that many good owners. There are some speed leagues (some well known, others not as much) that are very tough. There may be a few Dynasty Leagues that are pretty tough, but none that I know of.
cdunn3
Define good owner please
December 22, 2013 at 06:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Most speed leagues and Dynasty leagues just don't seem to have that many good owners. There are some speed leagues (some well known, others not as much) that are very tough. There may be a few Dynasty Leagues that are pretty tough, but none that I know of.
Define good owner please
WillyD
I've played in 7 different leagues, and only one, for any period of time, has ever had more than half of it's owners at a level that I'd consider good.
December 22, 2013 at 10:36PM View BBCode
An owner that can win in any league he plays in. One that at the least makes the playoffs an average around once every 4 seasons, makes the W.S. about every 8 seasons, and wins it all close to once every 16 seasons. An owner that is active and rises to the level of the competition, but doesn't play down to it either.I've played in 7 different leagues, and only one, for any period of time, has ever had more than half of it's owners at a level that I'd consider good.
eragon
Wouldn't making the WS once every 8 seasons and winning it once every 16 seasons make someone an average owner? 1/8 chance to make the WS and 1/16 chance to win it.
December 22, 2013 at 10:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
An owner that can win in any league he plays in. One that at the least makes the playoffs an average around once every 4 seasons, makes the W.S. about every 8 seasons, and wins it all close to once every 16 seasons.
Wouldn't making the WS once every 8 seasons and winning it once every 16 seasons make someone an average owner? 1/8 chance to make the WS and 1/16 chance to win it.
WillyD
Depends on the league! In your average league it should be better than that, but if you're in a league full of good owners and you win that much, you must be a good owner.
December 23, 2013 at 12:00AM View BBCode
Originally posted by eragon
Originally posted by WillyD
An owner that can win in any league he plays in. One that at the least makes the playoffs an average around once every 4 seasons, makes the W.S. about every 8 seasons, and wins it all close to once every 16 seasons.
Wouldn't making the WS once every 8 seasons and winning it once every 16 seasons make someone an average owner? 1/8 chance to make the WS and 1/16 chance to win it.
Depends on the league! In your average league it should be better than that, but if you're in a league full of good owners and you win that much, you must be a good owner.
jjmarsh17
for proof, look at your own owner card. Your run in the cool papa bell league would be impossible in a semi competent speed league. the reason you keep it going is you make lopsided trades with inexperienced/bad/one season owners, and draft strong players at the end of the first round that slip by. there is no other way to win that many seasons in a row in this game. (maybe in salary leagues there is, I dont know anything about them)
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by jjmarsh17]
December 23, 2013 at 12:34AM View BBCode
dynasty leagues are AAA at best. doesn't mean there aren't some good owners in them (cause there are), but the competition overall is weak.for proof, look at your own owner card. Your run in the cool papa bell league would be impossible in a semi competent speed league. the reason you keep it going is you make lopsided trades with inexperienced/bad/one season owners, and draft strong players at the end of the first round that slip by. there is no other way to win that many seasons in a row in this game. (maybe in salary leagues there is, I dont know anything about them)
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by jjmarsh17]
paulcaraccio
I've now chaperoned in like 8 or 10 speed leagues, and none of them have had any obvious differences in the level of competition when compared to the dynasty leagues I'm in. In the speed league I'm in now, one owner has two teams, and I don't know how that even happens, but it doesn't appear to be an issue with anyone.
It seems like the truth is there are some dynasty leagues with a high level of overall owner strength, and some dynasty leagues without that level, and the same is true of speed leagues.
What cannot be disputed is that nothing in this thread is anything other than opinions. Some people say the leagues they play in are tougher than everybody else's, and that's perfectly fine, and even if it's true for those particular leagues, it's not really fair to use that as a blanket statement encompassing all speed leagues and all dynasty leagues.
jjmarsh, let's look at your owner card. You've played 8 dynasty seasons, in 1 league. It's hard to comprehend how you can judge 49 leagues based on that experience. You won 1 championship there in those 8 years, and you've won 13 titles in 48 seasons of a speed league. I can see how you'd like to believe that league is much more difficult.
Any of you guys who want to join a competitive Dynasty League, instead of just mocking them from afar, I recommend you look for an opening in the Mantle or Bell leagues. The ownership talent in Bell has really improved over the past 10-15 seasons; my Criminals that jjmarsh referenced won't even make .500 this season.
The Mantle League will be tougher to get into, as we've only had 2 owners replaced in the past 2.5 years, real-time. The league has some very, very good owners such as redcped and satyr. Unfortunately before the current season, we just lost KillerG, one of our best owners, but we still retain 13 owners that have reached the playoffs in this league, 9 have won at least 1 championship. I wonder how many speed leagues can match those numbers...and don't forget, we only have 6 seasons a year.
December 23, 2013 at 06:07PM View BBCode
there are never unowned teams in dynasty leagues, but in speed leagues there are teams that are completely ignored unless a chaperone comes along, with like 40 guys in the minors or whatever. My newest chaperone gig is for a roster that had 0 red-letter overall players.I've now chaperoned in like 8 or 10 speed leagues, and none of them have had any obvious differences in the level of competition when compared to the dynasty leagues I'm in. In the speed league I'm in now, one owner has two teams, and I don't know how that even happens, but it doesn't appear to be an issue with anyone.
It seems like the truth is there are some dynasty leagues with a high level of overall owner strength, and some dynasty leagues without that level, and the same is true of speed leagues.
What cannot be disputed is that nothing in this thread is anything other than opinions. Some people say the leagues they play in are tougher than everybody else's, and that's perfectly fine, and even if it's true for those particular leagues, it's not really fair to use that as a blanket statement encompassing all speed leagues and all dynasty leagues.
jjmarsh, let's look at your owner card. You've played 8 dynasty seasons, in 1 league. It's hard to comprehend how you can judge 49 leagues based on that experience. You won 1 championship there in those 8 years, and you've won 13 titles in 48 seasons of a speed league. I can see how you'd like to believe that league is much more difficult.
Any of you guys who want to join a competitive Dynasty League, instead of just mocking them from afar, I recommend you look for an opening in the Mantle or Bell leagues. The ownership talent in Bell has really improved over the past 10-15 seasons; my Criminals that jjmarsh referenced won't even make .500 this season.
The Mantle League will be tougher to get into, as we've only had 2 owners replaced in the past 2.5 years, real-time. The league has some very, very good owners such as redcped and satyr. Unfortunately before the current season, we just lost KillerG, one of our best owners, but we still retain 13 owners that have reached the playoffs in this league, 9 have won at least 1 championship. I wonder how many speed leagues can match those numbers...and don't forget, we only have 6 seasons a year.
cdunn3
14 current owners have won at least 1 world series
in the league. One of the others has won a world series
in other leagues. The final owner has only had 5 seasons
in another league and is in his first one in this.
Once again, one cannot have much confidence in the
evaluations of those who have only played in l dynasty
league or dont even know they dont have expansion
drafts.
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by cdunn3]
December 23, 2013 at 06:26PM View BBCode
I just checked the Brett Butler League (a dynasty league)14 current owners have won at least 1 world series
in the league. One of the others has won a world series
in other leagues. The final owner has only had 5 seasons
in another league and is in his first one in this.
Once again, one cannot have much confidence in the
evaluations of those who have only played in l dynasty
league or dont even know they dont have expansion
drafts.
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by cdunn3]
paulcaraccio
December 23, 2013 at 08:51PM View BBCode
damn, i thought for sure Mantle wouldn't be outdone by another dynasty league...thats amazing
WillyD
lol
Not saying the owners in that league aren't good, because they may or may not be, but consider the following question:
If 14 kids in the lower level math class each get the high score on a math quiz at some point during the school year, does that make them smart?
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by WillyD]
December 23, 2013 at 09:13PM View BBCode
Originally posted by cdunn3
I just checked the Brett Butler League (a dynasty league)
14 current owners have won at least 1 world series
in the league. One of the others has won a world series
in other leagues. The final owner has only had 5 seasons
in another league and is in his first one in this.
Once again, one cannot have much confidence in the
evaluations of those who have only played in l dynasty
league or dont even know they dont have expansion
drafts.
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by cdunn3]
lol
Not saying the owners in that league aren't good, because they may or may not be, but consider the following question:
If 14 kids in the lower level math class each get the high score on a math quiz at some point during the school year, does that make them smart?
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by WillyD]
blumer5
Graig Nettles League
16 owners with the following number of Championships
35,21,40,34,7,26,7,29,29,22,27,18,35,18 (Chaperone) ,20,0 (has 35 seasons total)
Ed O'neil League
27,26,19,12,5,22,6 (in 41 seasons),7,29,39,3,3,20,46,20,109
I dont know if dynasty leagues are weaker that speed leagues, but to used 1 championship as the basis for if it is a competitive league doesnt seem to be a good measure. Because IF the competition is weaker they are just beating each other, which wouldnt really be an accomplishment.
December 23, 2013 at 09:17PM View BBCode
Originally posted by cdunn3
I just checked the Brett Butler League (a dynasty league)
14 current owners have won at least 1 world series
in the league. One of the others has won a world series
in other leagues. The final owner has only had 5 seasons
in another league and is in his first one in this.
Once again, one cannot have much confidence in the
evaluations of those who have only played in l dynasty
league or dont even know they dont have expansion
drafts.
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by cdunn3]
Graig Nettles League
16 owners with the following number of Championships
35,21,40,34,7,26,7,29,29,22,27,18,35,18 (Chaperone) ,20,0 (has 35 seasons total)
Ed O'neil League
27,26,19,12,5,22,6 (in 41 seasons),7,29,39,3,3,20,46,20,109
I dont know if dynasty leagues are weaker that speed leagues, but to used 1 championship as the basis for if it is a competitive league doesnt seem to be a good measure. Because IF the competition is weaker they are just beating each other, which wouldnt really be an accomplishment.
WillyD
Total championships won: 268
League difficulty: Not
December 23, 2013 at 09:21PM View BBCode
I checked my Dynasty League out. IN the Duke Snider League we have 13 owners with championships. The three that don't have any, are newbies even by Dynasty League standards.Total championships won: 268
League difficulty: Not
WillyD
125, 45, 37, 28, 26, 24, 23, 21, 18, 12
Total championships: 376
Difficulty: Hard
Now in both leagues I mentioned, 170 of the championships are from just 2 owners.
December 23, 2013 at 09:49PM View BBCode
The league I consider my toughest, the PWL, has 15 owners with a title. 10 owners have at least 10 titles.125, 45, 37, 28, 26, 24, 23, 21, 18, 12
Total championships: 376
Difficulty: Hard
Now in both leagues I mentioned, 170 of the championships are from just 2 owners.
paulcaraccio
While many owners winning championships may not be the best available measure to show that some dynasty leagues are highly competitive, it's better than the "Dynasty leagues are junk because we say so" coming from the hater side. You guys just have this misinformation trapped in your brains, let it out!
December 23, 2013 at 10:36PM View BBCode
I don't know how to say this without bothering anyone, so I'm sorry, but it still seems worth pointing out that your current record in a league you consider to have no difficulty is 44-69.While many owners winning championships may not be the best available measure to show that some dynasty leagues are highly competitive, it's better than the "Dynasty leagues are junk because we say so" coming from the hater side. You guys just have this misinformation trapped in your brains, let it out!
blumer5
That would be what we call a troll comment. I dont think pointing about 1 season, in what will be his 60th season in the league, is worth mentioning. .550 winning percentage over 59 seasons would be worth pointing out.
I dont think he ever even said that he was good, just merely pointed out that he would consider it a tough league and reference how many championships were held by owners in that league.
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by blumer5]
December 23, 2013 at 10:57PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
I don't know how to say this without bothering anyone, so I'm sorry, but it still seems worth pointing out that your current record in a league you consider to have no difficulty is 44-69....
That would be what we call a troll comment. I dont think pointing about 1 season, in what will be his 60th season in the league, is worth mentioning. .550 winning percentage over 59 seasons would be worth pointing out.
I dont think he ever even said that he was good, just merely pointed out that he would consider it a tough league and reference how many championships were held by owners in that league.
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by blumer5]
WillyD
Listen Paul, no one is putting you down as an owner, but believe me Dynasty leagues as a whole aren't that tough. There are probably some good ones, just like there are some speed leagues that aren't tough. Your vast experience of 81 seasons (most of which is from Dynasty Leagues) doesn't really qualify you as an expert on speed leagues. I think you're just taking the Dynasty digs a little too personally. If you want to prove yourself, join a speed league and see what you can do!
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by WillyD]
December 23, 2013 at 11:00PM View BBCode
Paul, you seem to like picking only the things that might support your argument. My team has a better prestige per season than you Mickey Mantle team, for example. And After 10 straight playoff appearances and 4 W.S. Titles, my team is rebuilding. I'm actually prepping the team for the next owner, as I'll be leaving because the Dynasty Leagues are too slow, not challenging enough, and CP's trades have become the norm (I'm the only one in the league that doesn't do CP trades). I don't mind the hit I'm taking on the prestige, because it doesn't mean that much anyways.Listen Paul, no one is putting you down as an owner, but believe me Dynasty leagues as a whole aren't that tough. There are probably some good ones, just like there are some speed leagues that aren't tough. Your vast experience of 81 seasons (most of which is from Dynasty Leagues) doesn't really qualify you as an expert on speed leagues. I think you're just taking the Dynasty digs a little too personally. If you want to prove yourself, join a speed league and see what you can do!
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by WillyD]
paulcaraccio
Your only evidence for why dynasty leagues aren't good is "believe me". You guys have to do better than that!
And you make exactly the point that I'm trying to get you guys to understand, although I'd remove the probablies: There are some good dynasty leagues, just like there are some speed leagues that aren't tough.
It's entirely possible, and certainly likely, that the very toughest leagues on the site are speed leagues. But the blanket statements made so often on the boards, that imply that all dynasty leagues are weak, and all speed leagues are strong, is just way off.
Mythbusted
December 23, 2013 at 11:20PM View BBCode
I have no interest in proving myself to anyone. I have never felt that anyone was putting me down as an owner, but if they want to, that's ok with me. I have never claimed to be an expert on speed leagues. I have never made any claims about comparing my record to yours, or anyone else's. I don't even know what prestige means in this game, but that's cool that yours is better than mine.Your only evidence for why dynasty leagues aren't good is "believe me". You guys have to do better than that!
And you make exactly the point that I'm trying to get you guys to understand, although I'd remove the probablies: There are some good dynasty leagues, just like there are some speed leagues that aren't tough.
It's entirely possible, and certainly likely, that the very toughest leagues on the site are speed leagues. But the blanket statements made so often on the boards, that imply that all dynasty leagues are weak, and all speed leagues are strong, is just way off.
Mythbusted
WillyD
December 23, 2013 at 11:32PM View BBCode
Personally, I don't think that most Dynasty Leagues are AAA leagues as someone said, but you haven't proven a thing to those that have put blanket statements on Dynasty Leagues. I'm not sure you can.
paulcaraccio
But the side that's supporting the far more dubious claim that they can easily identify the 49 worst leagues on the site should have to offer something besides "My opinions are facts" to defend that.
Here are the points the anti-dynasty side has raised, other than variations on "because I said so":
--Dynasty leagues only have about 9 active owners. (probably thinking of trial leagues)
--Dynasty leagues use a talent-diluting expansion draft. (probably thinking of speed leagues)
--Dynasty leagues have too much owner turnover. (debunked by the Mantle League having 14 of the same owners for over 2.5 years)
--Speed leagues have more experienced owners. (This might be true as a general statement, and if so, is probably the best point you guys have raised so far. But experience does not always equal strength, and probability demands that there's at least one dynasty league out there with more experience than at least one speed league.)
--Dynasty league competition is weak. (This is your argument, it can't also be the evidence.)
There's nothing inherent about a dynasty league that would make it weak; there's nothing inherent about a speed league that would make it strong. On both sides, there are strong and weak leagues. Perhaps overall, the speed leagues are stronger, and would win in an Anchorman style rumble, but nobody says it like that. It's always things like "lol dynasty" with no context or wiggle room.
Stay tuned for next week's episode of Sim Dynasty Mythbusters: The Playoffs are a Crapshoot
(Sneak preview, the first line of defense will be "because they are")
If you guys could just laugh off my a-holeness like people do in real life, this could be a lot more fun, ha.
December 24, 2013 at 12:55AM View BBCode
Neither side can be proven.But the side that's supporting the far more dubious claim that they can easily identify the 49 worst leagues on the site should have to offer something besides "My opinions are facts" to defend that.
Here are the points the anti-dynasty side has raised, other than variations on "because I said so":
--Dynasty leagues only have about 9 active owners. (probably thinking of trial leagues)
--Dynasty leagues use a talent-diluting expansion draft. (probably thinking of speed leagues)
--Dynasty leagues have too much owner turnover. (debunked by the Mantle League having 14 of the same owners for over 2.5 years)
--Speed leagues have more experienced owners. (This might be true as a general statement, and if so, is probably the best point you guys have raised so far. But experience does not always equal strength, and probability demands that there's at least one dynasty league out there with more experience than at least one speed league.)
--Dynasty league competition is weak. (This is your argument, it can't also be the evidence.)
There's nothing inherent about a dynasty league that would make it weak; there's nothing inherent about a speed league that would make it strong. On both sides, there are strong and weak leagues. Perhaps overall, the speed leagues are stronger, and would win in an Anchorman style rumble, but nobody says it like that. It's always things like "lol dynasty" with no context or wiggle room.
Stay tuned for next week's episode of Sim Dynasty Mythbusters: The Playoffs are a Crapshoot
(Sneak preview, the first line of defense will be "because they are")
If you guys could just laugh off my a-holeness like people do in real life, this could be a lot more fun, ha.