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swerve
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2119996
Rangers to acquire Nevin
July 30, 2005 at 02:09AM View BBCode
Rangers to deal Park for Nevin. Apparently they are just waiting on league approval.http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2119996
youngallstar
July 30, 2005 at 02:11AM View BBCode
Park was doing better this year but I wont be missing him when he is gone.
DeVeau31
July 30, 2005 at 02:13AM View BBCode
newsflash: Rangers have great hitting, pitching is their problem.
youngallstar
July 30, 2005 at 02:15AM View BBCode
Heres another newsflash: Park made our staff sorrier than it allready is, believe it or not. Good riddance, large contract and all.
skierdude44
July 30, 2005 at 02:16AM View BBCode
Well, Chan Ho Park's 5.66 era wasn't helping them too much there now was it? They'll probably deal Soriano for some pitching and getting Nevin will offset some of the offense they lose if/when they deal Soriano.
youngallstar
July 30, 2005 at 02:17AM View BBCode
Id love to see the Rangers Deal Soriano for pitching and than Kenzler can take his spot at 2nd.
swerve
July 30, 2005 at 02:20AM View BBCode
Not only that but ridding themselves of Park will free up some money to go after pitching in the offseason.
DeVeau31
July 30, 2005 at 02:23AM View BBCode
Nevin's 9.5 M for a .256 avg and 9 HR isn't exactly a bargain, especially over a guy who makes 15 M but has 8 wins for you.
youngallstar
The Rangers are a great hitting team. All that is is run support. He realy wasnt helping our ball club
[Edited on 7-30-2005 by youngallstar]
July 30, 2005 at 02:24AM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
obviously his 5.66 ERA WAS helping, he was 8-5.
The Rangers are a great hitting team. All that is is run support. He realy wasnt helping our ball club
[Edited on 7-30-2005 by youngallstar]
DeVeau31
July 30, 2005 at 02:25AM View BBCode
he got outs and kept you in the game long enough to get 8 wins for himself, 2nd on your entire team!
skierdude44
Yeah... and he's going to beat AL contenders with a 5.66 era. I doubt it. Now if record was actually a worthwhile stat when evaluating a pitchers effecitiveness you might have a point but it's not. You can't spot a contending team nearly 6 runs a game and expect to win. If the Rangers want to go far into the playoffs or even make the playoffs they will need much more than Chan Ho Park to do it.
July 30, 2005 at 02:26AM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
obviously his 5.66 ERA WAS helping, he was 8-5.
Yeah... and he's going to beat AL contenders with a 5.66 era. I doubt it. Now if record was actually a worthwhile stat when evaluating a pitchers effecitiveness you might have a point but it's not. You can't spot a contending team nearly 6 runs a game and expect to win. If the Rangers want to go far into the playoffs or even make the playoffs they will need much more than Chan Ho Park to do it.
youngallstar
GOOD RIDDANCE ;)
July 30, 2005 at 02:26AM View BBCode
he wins 8 games this year compared to like his 10 total wins the previous 3 years.GOOD RIDDANCE ;)
DeVeau31
skier you obviously know nothing about building a team. I'm not saying Park is good, in fact he sucks, but guess what, so do 12 other pitcher's on the Rangers staff. To trade arguably your 2nd best pitcher THIS year for a .256 hitter with 9 HR in a lineup where you have great hitters all over the place is stupid.
July 30, 2005 at 02:29AM View BBCode
so obviously he is feeling more comfortable here.skier you obviously know nothing about building a team. I'm not saying Park is good, in fact he sucks, but guess what, so do 12 other pitcher's on the Rangers staff. To trade arguably your 2nd best pitcher THIS year for a .256 hitter with 9 HR in a lineup where you have great hitters all over the place is stupid.
youngallstar
[Edited on 7-30-2005 by youngallstar]
July 30, 2005 at 02:34AM View BBCode
Deveau, we have been trying to trade this guy for forever. He has been severly injury prone and very innefective up until this year, not to mention being grossly over paid. Great move by the Rangers[Edited on 7-30-2005 by youngallstar]
Cubsfan13
July 30, 2005 at 02:40AM View BBCode
Its not a great move...its not a horrible move, or even a bad move...because they got rid of Park(4 years too late), which is probably good, but its not a great move. Its not like they're getting someone worth much of anything. They're getting a 34 year old mediocre first baseman who will come off the bench and occasionally pinch hit and maybe DH some. They're dumping 6 million bucks and a shitty pitcher, which is a positive, but in order for it to be a great move, they'd have to get someone who would make a difference.
youngallstar
July 30, 2005 at 02:41AM View BBCode
Cubs, I disagree, dumping Park, albeit late, is a fugging GREAT move. If you follow Ranger baseball religiously like I do than you would understand
whiskybear
I'll defer to Deveau on this one, who knows everything about sports management AND what defines a sport, because he was a mediocre pitcher some time with a useless baseball card.
July 30, 2005 at 02:43AM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
skier you obviously know nothing about building a team.
I'll defer to Deveau on this one, who knows everything about sports management AND what defines a sport, because he was a mediocre pitcher some time with a useless baseball card.
DeVeau31
July 30, 2005 at 02:44AM View BBCode
I love how you need to be sarcastic to have an argument, truly shows you're a pussy.
skierdude44
You're right... I should be bowing to you and your 15 straight playoff appearances because obviously you know how to build a winning MLB team much.
Now, Park has pitched 110 innings, that's a pretty small sample size. Over a larger sample size, say the entire time he's been in Texas, he's 22-23 with a 6.11 era in 382 innings. Maybe giving up nearly 6 runs a game with that offense will allow you to beat the lower teams in the AL but you can't consistently give up that many runs to a contending team, whether it be down the stretch or in the playoffs. And believe it or not Nevin hit 26 homers and batted .289 last year. There's a far better chance that he turns his season around than of Park turning his career around. And if worse comes to worse Nevin's a free agent at the end of the year freeing up some money to go after free agents this winter.
It's not a great move if they don't turn around and move Soriano for pitching help (all indications are that they will because they are willing to part with him and a number teams have interest) but it's not a particularly bad move either because sooner or later Chan Ho Park's luck is going to catch up with him and he'll go South. And if that doesn't happen his bad back will and he'll be off to the DL.
July 30, 2005 at 02:45AM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
so obviously he is feeling more comfortable here.
skier you obviously know nothing about building a team. I'm not saying Park is good, in fact he sucks, but guess what, so do 12 other pitcher's on the Rangers staff. To trade arguably your 2nd best pitcher THIS year for a .256 hitter with 9 HR in a lineup where you have great hitters all over the place is stupid.
You're right... I should be bowing to you and your 15 straight playoff appearances because obviously you know how to build a winning MLB team much.
Now, Park has pitched 110 innings, that's a pretty small sample size. Over a larger sample size, say the entire time he's been in Texas, he's 22-23 with a 6.11 era in 382 innings. Maybe giving up nearly 6 runs a game with that offense will allow you to beat the lower teams in the AL but you can't consistently give up that many runs to a contending team, whether it be down the stretch or in the playoffs. And believe it or not Nevin hit 26 homers and batted .289 last year. There's a far better chance that he turns his season around than of Park turning his career around. And if worse comes to worse Nevin's a free agent at the end of the year freeing up some money to go after free agents this winter.
It's not a great move if they don't turn around and move Soriano for pitching help (all indications are that they will because they are willing to part with him and a number teams have interest) but it's not a particularly bad move either because sooner or later Chan Ho Park's luck is going to catch up with him and he'll go South. And if that doesn't happen his bad back will and he'll be off to the DL.
whiskybear
Without a baseball card, no less.
July 30, 2005 at 02:46AM View BBCode
Originally posted by DeVeau31
I love how you need to be sarcastic to have an argument, truly shows you're a pussy.
Without a baseball card, no less.
DeVeau31
My only point was that the Rangers suck and have no pitching. They will not make the playoffs regardless, so this move is only a future move, has nothing to do with this year.
July 30, 2005 at 02:49AM View BBCode
see, now that's much better than what you said before and in fact, I agree with just about all of it.My only point was that the Rangers suck and have no pitching. They will not make the playoffs regardless, so this move is only a future move, has nothing to do with this year.
youngallstar
July 30, 2005 at 02:50AM View BBCode
Actually the Rangers, dont suck. But yes, they have no pitching. And why do they have to deal for this year only?
whiskybear
July 30, 2005 at 02:50AM View BBCode
If the Rangers had a pitcher/GM like Deveau, they would still suck, have no pitching, and not make the playoffs. But at least they'd have an extra self-aggrandizing web designer with a mediocre curveball.
skierdude44
July 30, 2005 at 02:50AM View BBCode
Yes, they have a massive 3.5 game deficit in the Wild Card standings....Pages: 1 2