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khazim
Shanahan fired!
December 30, 2008 at 11:56PM View BBCode
It's official, the Mike Shanahan era is over in Denver! Thank god!
FuriousGiorge
December 31, 2008 at 05:26AM View BBCode
And now all the Broncos fans turn on the coach that brought them their only Super Bowls.
khazim
Tell you what, if I get a stellar review this year, I'll be sure to tell my boss not to expect anything out of me until at least 2019 and see how that flies.
December 31, 2008 at 01:26PM View BBCode
ten years ago... with one of the best QBs to ever play the game.Tell you what, if I get a stellar review this year, I'll be sure to tell my boss not to expect anything out of me until at least 2019 and see how that flies.
FuriousGiorge
December 31, 2008 at 03:54PM View BBCode
Three years ago they were in the AFC Championship game. The typical Broncos fan is now telling everyone that Shanahan only won because of Elway, and because he was working with Dan Reeves' players, despite the fact that Elway never won without Shanahan, and Reeves never won censored . Maybe it's better for the Broncos to part ways with him now, but the ungratefulness for the success of the greatest coach in your franchise's history is just embarrassing.
khazim
Future HOF TE, HOF LT, HOF QB, borderline HOF RB, two possession receivers, one of whom has the numbers for the HOF. The 98 and 99 Broncos were stacked teams. The Broncos got to the AFC championship game 4 years ago thanks to our OC at the time, Gary Kubiak - the real offensive genius.
December 31, 2008 at 04:13PM View BBCode
Hardly embarrassing. We just refuse to deify our head coaches unlike other franchises, even when all evidence shows their best days are behind them (*ahem* Joe Gibbs).Future HOF TE, HOF LT, HOF QB, borderline HOF RB, two possession receivers, one of whom has the numbers for the HOF. The 98 and 99 Broncos were stacked teams. The Broncos got to the AFC championship game 4 years ago thanks to our OC at the time, Gary Kubiak - the real offensive genius.
FuriousGiorge
[Edited on 12-31-2008 by FuriousGiorge]
December 31, 2008 at 05:26PM View BBCode
Absolutely ridiculous. If anyone had suggested that Shanahan wasn't the best coach on the planet in, say, 1999, a Broncos fan would have reamed them a new censored . Given the way Broncos fans have treated this firing in general (read: shamefully), I hope your team turns into the Raiders. And I always kind of liked the Broncos.[Edited on 12-31-2008 by FuriousGiorge]
whiskybear
December 31, 2008 at 05:38PM View BBCode
God I hate the Broncos. And the Raiders. And the Chiefs. The only team from the Seahawks' AFC West days that I never despised was San Diego. Can't really say why, except they mostly sucked just as much as we did.
khazim
December 31, 2008 at 06:08PM View BBCode
Would you rather we get upset about firing a coach who is 24-24 the past three seasons? I mean, seriously.
FuriousGiorge
December 31, 2008 at 06:25PM View BBCode
If you're going to blame him for your team going exactly .500 (not great, but not apocalyptic either), shouldn't you give the guy some credit for, you know, the Super Bowls too? I like how, when the team was successful, it was everyone else who was responsible but now that the team is mediocre, it's all Shanahan's fault.
tm4559
December 31, 2008 at 06:27PM View formatted
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nice cheap shot at joe gibbs too.
whiskybear
December 31, 2008 at 06:31PM View BBCode
(Well, Gibbs was pretty terrible on that second go-round.)
FuriousGiorge
December 31, 2008 at 06:31PM View BBCode
I always thought Denver sports fans were fairly smart and levelheaded, but this whole Shanahan thing has proven otherwise. I'm not saying the guy shouldn't have been let go, because it was an ugly collapse and the team hasn't been great recently, but the lack of respect for his accomplishments and the attempt to give the credit to everyone else retroactively is just a censored embarrassment.
tm4559
it wasn't the best, no. didn't have a great deal to work with, seems the team did fairly well. even gave the seahawks the opportunity to get past the first round.
December 31, 2008 at 06:51PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
(Well, Gibbs was pretty terrible on that second go-round.)
it wasn't the best, no. didn't have a great deal to work with, seems the team did fairly well. even gave the seahawks the opportunity to get past the first round.
tm4559
December 31, 2008 at 06:52PM View BBCode
shanahan pretty doggone awesome as coaches go though. he probably go right to the jets i guess.
khazim
I don't see where I disparaged Shanahan. I view it more as being honest. He should never have been given the authority over the team that he had, as he proved unable to draft new defensive talent over the entire run of his tenure in Denver. Who can he hang his hat on defensively, when it comes to the draft?
Trevor Price and Darrent Williams and that's it.
December 31, 2008 at 06:55PM View BBCode
Jets or Lions.I don't see where I disparaged Shanahan. I view it more as being honest. He should never have been given the authority over the team that he had, as he proved unable to draft new defensive talent over the entire run of his tenure in Denver. Who can he hang his hat on defensively, when it comes to the draft?
Trevor Price and Darrent Williams and that's it.
FuriousGiorge
The implication here is fairly obvious, don't you think?
December 31, 2008 at 07:22PM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
I don't see where I disparaged Shanahan.
Originally posted by khazim
Future HOF TE, HOF LT, HOF QB, borderline HOF RB, two possession receivers, one of whom has the numbers for the HOF. The 98 and 99 Broncos were stacked teams. The Broncos got to the AFC championship game 4 years ago thanks to our OC at the time, Gary Kubiak - the real offensive genius.
The implication here is fairly obvious, don't you think?
khazim
January 01, 2009 at 11:42PM View BBCode
nope. Heck, even Mike Shanahan said at his press conference that he understood that he got fired because he didn't get the job done.
FuriousGiorge
January 02, 2009 at 12:25AM View BBCode
By which he meant, of course, "I was responsible for all of the failures in this organization, but none of the successes".
khazim
January 02, 2009 at 01:21AM View BBCode
He was responsible in so much as he was the head coach/GM/VP of football operations.
dirtdevil
he was also head coach for the super bowl wins, which you refuse to give him any credit for, so why should he get any blame for the recent lack of success? you can't have it both ways, particularly as i haven't seen any offensive juggernaut in houston recently. the 98 and 99 broncos teams had some good players, yes, but there aren't too many multiple super bowl champs that don't have some number of hof calibre players on the roster. that doesn't mean the coach had no role in their victory. heck, i hear a reference to the genius of bill belicheck a couple of times on every patriots possession and i'm going to guess that tom brady will be going into the hof someday. so perhaps hof players and quality coaches are both required for extended super bowl runs? barry switzer notwithstanding, of course. also, the 98 broncos? HUGE underdogs against green bay.
(shanahan's going to dallas)
January 02, 2009 at 05:10AM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
He was responsible in so much as he was the head coach/GM/VP of football operations.
he was also head coach for the super bowl wins, which you refuse to give him any credit for, so why should he get any blame for the recent lack of success? you can't have it both ways, particularly as i haven't seen any offensive juggernaut in houston recently. the 98 and 99 broncos teams had some good players, yes, but there aren't too many multiple super bowl champs that don't have some number of hof calibre players on the roster. that doesn't mean the coach had no role in their victory. heck, i hear a reference to the genius of bill belicheck a couple of times on every patriots possession and i'm going to guess that tom brady will be going into the hof someday. so perhaps hof players and quality coaches are both required for extended super bowl runs? barry switzer notwithstanding, of course. also, the 98 broncos? HUGE underdogs against green bay.
(shanahan's going to dallas)
whiskybear
January 02, 2009 at 05:15AM View BBCode
Dallas? I thought the leader of the Skulls or whatever is in line for that job. You know, Princeton boy?
Benne
January 02, 2009 at 05:38AM View BBCode
Didn't Jerry Jones blow him away during the Season 1 finale? Man, retcons are annoying.
whiskybear
January 02, 2009 at 05:41AM View BBCode
Yes, because the best move a coach can make is to go to a place completely devoid of talent and then get run out of town when the team still sucks in three or four years, so that his successor can come in and gather up all the pieces he was assembling. Genius.
khazim
At the very least he could show Detroit what an Offensive line looks like. I can never take that one fact away from Shanahan; he built Denver's O-Line from the ground up. That was ALL Shanahan. Dan Reeves demonstrated his inability to build an O-line during his tenure in Denver, New York, and Atlanta.
[Edited on 1-2-2009 by khazim]
January 02, 2009 at 05:55AM View BBCode
If Shanahan is a true genius (he'd do well to bring Bobby Turner with him; that man KNOWS running backs), he'd go to the Lions; they have no place to go but up.At the very least he could show Detroit what an Offensive line looks like. I can never take that one fact away from Shanahan; he built Denver's O-Line from the ground up. That was ALL Shanahan. Dan Reeves demonstrated his inability to build an O-line during his tenure in Denver, New York, and Atlanta.
[Edited on 1-2-2009 by khazim]