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ironhorse2ko
AI steps down for rest of season
April 04, 2009 at 01:41PM View BBCode
I had a feeling this move wasn't going to help Detroit. Granted, he is a great player. But also granted, he complains alot and overall that kills chemistry. So what you don't like coming off the bench. You're injured so suck it it up. I sincerly doubt that he will ever win a ring at this point.
Kuroshi
btw I hope Garnett is out for a long time, I like him as a player and hope he isn't injured seriously, but can't stand the Celtics. Even though they are the "home team". Ainge makes me wanna puke whenever I see or hear him. I still hold a grudge for his FAIL when he was with the Suns not that they have done any better since him.
[Edited on 4-4-2009 by Kuroshi]
April 04, 2009 at 10:38PM View BBCode
He was a great player earlier in his career, he took a beaten every night, but was never afraid to get in the paint to score. It's a shame he wasn't setup with championship caliber players in his prime. Your right at this point he is not what he was. He is getting older and is starting to feel it, I don't think he has ever been a prime example of a team player. I didn't see how picking him up helped Detroit when they got him and even more so now.btw I hope Garnett is out for a long time, I like him as a player and hope he isn't injured seriously, but can't stand the Celtics. Even though they are the "home team". Ainge makes me wanna puke whenever I see or hear him. I still hold a grudge for his FAIL when he was with the Suns not that they have done any better since him.
[Edited on 4-4-2009 by Kuroshi]
Cubsfan13
Iverson was varying degrees of good up until this season. He's had the fall off you'd expect from a 33 year old small guard who has taken a shitload of "wear and tear" and relied on his physical tools.
April 04, 2009 at 11:11PM View BBCode
The Iverson trade was never for now, it was made in order to be a player in free agency this summer and next. With him and likely Wallace out, they'll have, you know, oodles of cap room. They wouldn't have had a chance at a title with Billups, anyway, so it was probably the right move to make.Iverson was varying degrees of good up until this season. He's had the fall off you'd expect from a 33 year old small guard who has taken a shitload of "wear and tear" and relied on his physical tools.
barterer2002
This is a common commentary on Iverson's career and in fact I think that it is untrue. Iverson is a player who thrives when he can take a boat load of shots and have good supporting players around him. The Sixers team that made the championship run was perfectly constructed. There were enough points from the supporting cast to allow the great defense that that team played to run. Any time another shooter was brought in (see Van Horn, Keith) to play with AI they failed miserably. The long and short is that with AI on the team there are only so many shots to go around.
April 05, 2009 at 01:14AM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by Kuroshi[/i] It's a shame he wasn't setup with championship caliber players in his prime. [/quote]
This is a common commentary on Iverson's career and in fact I think that it is untrue. Iverson is a player who thrives when he can take a boat load of shots and have good supporting players around him. The Sixers team that made the championship run was perfectly constructed. There were enough points from the supporting cast to allow the great defense that that team played to run. Any time another shooter was brought in (see Van Horn, Keith) to play with AI they failed miserably. The long and short is that with AI on the team there are only so many shots to go around.
Cubsfan13
April 05, 2009 at 03:46AM View BBCode
Yea, it's unlikely that a team with Iverson as its star was ever going to win a title. Maybe he could have coexisted with, say, Garnett, but who censored knows. I don't really think it's any fault of his own, just as I don't think it is Jamal Crawford's fault that a team heavily relying on him isn't going to be very good.
ironhorse2ko
April 08, 2009 at 06:39PM View BBCode
No doubt. But at this point, I see him more of a bench player than an every player star player that he was at the start of the decade. It's just that he took too many hits and with his frame that doesn't help. But you have to admire the grittyness behind his style of play.
sycophantman
April 08, 2009 at 06:49PM View BBCode
In terms of team basketball, he was never a very good player at all. As Eric mentioned, this was never about improving the team as much as clearing room for free agency spending. I doubt anyone running an NBA team is under any illusion that Iverson has anything left, really...
FuriousGiorge
Like, ever? Because that's not true. Not even a little bit.
April 08, 2009 at 08:07PM View BBCode
Originally posted by sycophantman
In terms of team basketball, he was never a very good player at all.
Like, ever? Because that's not true. Not even a little bit.
Cubsfan13
April 08, 2009 at 08:16PM View BBCode
I took him to mean the team basketball thing in a very literal sense, in that whole "Detroit Pistons circa '04 are the Mecca" type way. But, yea. He obviously contributed heavily to his team's success, just as much as someone like, I don't know, Dwight Howard.
sycophantman
(I meant the Pistons thing, just like Eric said, he can see right into my soul...)
April 08, 2009 at 11:26PM View BBCode
Dwight Howard is probably my favorite player in the NBA right now, after Chris Paul, naturally.(I meant the Pistons thing, just like Eric said, he can see right into my soul...)
whiskybear
(Brandon Roy, natch.)
April 08, 2009 at 11:40PM View BBCode
The Tyranny of the Big Man ... you, Aaron?(Brandon Roy, natch.)
Cubsfan13
April 08, 2009 at 11:46PM View BBCode
Howard's pretty cool, but his lack of real offensive moves or passing sort of leave me wondering "what if". So I jock Pau, of course... as far as big guys go, anyway (and not counting Duncan).Pages: 1