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happy
Orioles have been doing well enough thusfar (obviously I cant imagine the trend is going to continue)
but check this out for the SPs for the first 5 games:
Game 1 (Guthrie): RA - 3, IP - 6, Pitch count - 93
Game 2 (Uehara): RA - 1, IP - 5, Pitch count - 86
Game 3 (Simon): RA - 4, IP - 5, Pitch count - 89
Game 4 (Hendrickson): RA - 1, IP - 5.1, Pitch count - 91
Game 5 (Guthrie): RA- 0, IP- 6, Pitch count - 98
The pitchers are being taken out WAY too early. The RPs are going to have their arms thrown off.
The thing is, the orioles have terrible starting pitching, absolutely atrocious. And it will not be an uncommon occurrence for their SPs to get shelled and need to be taken out early. But when you supposed ace is throwing a shutout after 6 innings and his pitch count is at 98, you put him out there for the 7th.
If i remember correctly, the first ~120 pitches on a fully developed pitcher is absolutely no pitcher abuse, and going over a little bit isnt much abuse if you do it from time to time. Guthrie can throw another inning at 98 pitches, and save the relievers a bit of energy. Hell, in game 1 it was 6-3, you give him another inning in that game too. Simon is the only understandable one.
[Edited on 4-12-2009 by happy]
The Orioles subject
April 12, 2009 at 06:13AM View BBCode
so...there are a decent number of orioles fans here (unlike the rockies, sorry Khazim)...Orioles have been doing well enough thusfar (obviously I cant imagine the trend is going to continue)
but check this out for the SPs for the first 5 games:
Game 1 (Guthrie): RA - 3, IP - 6, Pitch count - 93
Game 2 (Uehara): RA - 1, IP - 5, Pitch count - 86
Game 3 (Simon): RA - 4, IP - 5, Pitch count - 89
Game 4 (Hendrickson): RA - 1, IP - 5.1, Pitch count - 91
Game 5 (Guthrie): RA- 0, IP- 6, Pitch count - 98
The pitchers are being taken out WAY too early. The RPs are going to have their arms thrown off.
The thing is, the orioles have terrible starting pitching, absolutely atrocious. And it will not be an uncommon occurrence for their SPs to get shelled and need to be taken out early. But when you supposed ace is throwing a shutout after 6 innings and his pitch count is at 98, you put him out there for the 7th.
If i remember correctly, the first ~120 pitches on a fully developed pitcher is absolutely no pitcher abuse, and going over a little bit isnt much abuse if you do it from time to time. Guthrie can throw another inning at 98 pitches, and save the relievers a bit of energy. Hell, in game 1 it was 6-3, you give him another inning in that game too. Simon is the only understandable one.
[Edited on 4-12-2009 by happy]
Duff77
Now if this is going on three weeks from now, that'll be more interesting.
April 12, 2009 at 09:48PM View formatted
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It is the first week. I think a lot of managers go light on their starters the first start or two to make sure they're fully in gear before they start going deeper. And the first week, the bullpen ought to be all rested, so you can get away with it--and hell, they probably all need a good dip in the regular season anyway.
Now if this is going on three weeks from now, that'll be more interesting.
happy
April 13, 2009 at 12:43AM View BBCode
well, he did it for guthrie's 2nd start. And they have spring training for a reason.
Duff77
April 13, 2009 at 03:09AM View BBCode
Like I said, three weeks from now, we'll talk. It's still early.
happy
also: Brian Bass sucks. 5.1 IP, 5 HRs allowed. thats terrible. if he didnt let another homerun for the next 50 innings, his homerun rate would still be too high.
April 13, 2009 at 03:17AM View BBCode
(game 6, adam eaton pitches 100 pitches!...in 4 innings)also: Brian Bass sucks. 5.1 IP, 5 HRs allowed. thats terrible. if he didnt let another homerun for the next 50 innings, his homerun rate would still be too high.
Duff77
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8BMYo3Z7mc]Here's something awesome.[/url]
There's something for Benne and Tyler in there too. 1:17 to 1:19.
[Edited on 4-13-2009 by Duff77]
April 13, 2009 at 03:24AM View BBCode
Look, they still suck. That's all there is to it. They're going to suck for awhile yet.[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8BMYo3Z7mc]Here's something awesome.[/url]
There's something for Benne and Tyler in there too. 1:17 to 1:19.
[Edited on 4-13-2009 by Duff77]
Duff77
April 13, 2009 at 03:43AM View BBCode
We? You mean you haven't ditched us for the Nats yet? At least they have the excuse of once being the Expos.
FuriousGiorge
April 13, 2009 at 03:46AM View BBCode
No no no, this censored Superfund site is still my team.
Duff77
April 13, 2009 at 03:52AM View BBCode
Here's a depressing fact: If the Yankees and Red Sox charter flights magically collided midair and burst into an enormous ball of fire, the Orioles would finish third.
FuriousGiorge
April 13, 2009 at 03:59AM View BBCode
Are you kidding? A 3rd place finish? That would be censored awesome.
Duff77
April 13, 2009 at 04:00AM View BBCode
Well, there really isn't anything about that scenario that isn't awesome, frankly.
FuriousGiorge
[Edited on 4-13-2009 by FuriousGiorge]
April 13, 2009 at 04:03AM View BBCode
The plane would have a pilot, and service staff, and they'd die too. That would be pretty sad.[Edited on 4-13-2009 by FuriousGiorge]
Duff77
And just when I was going to say that, in fact, the only thing that would make it better would be if the falling wreckage somehow managed to kill Peter Angelos. But no, you had to bring up the flight attendants. censored you.
If I had kittens you'd stomp on them, wouldn't you?
April 13, 2009 at 04:07AM View BBCode
It would be a censored national tragedy. God, can't I have any fun?And just when I was going to say that, in fact, the only thing that would make it better would be if the falling wreckage somehow managed to kill Peter Angelos. But no, you had to bring up the flight attendants. censored you.
If I had kittens you'd stomp on them, wouldn't you?
happy
also, the flight attendents on the plane would probably deserve it. probably at least half of them would be in the middle of trying to get jeter to go to the bathroom with them (which he politely declines and brings Posada in there with him instead).
April 13, 2009 at 06:05AM View BBCode
Oh god, how did I forget to mention this? I was at the opening day game. and they didnt play orioles magic. You know what they played? [url=http://www.myspace.com/howboutdemos]this song.[/url] Fuckmyteam. Orioles magic song is like...one of the few things we have left as far as reasons to root for the team. its like...they get a decent team together and then ruin it with a terrible song?also, the flight attendents on the plane would probably deserve it. probably at least half of them would be in the middle of trying to get jeter to go to the bathroom with them (which he politely declines and brings Posada in there with him instead).
happy
Obviously their problem is the pitching, and i guess their plan is to just bring a bunch of random no names with experience in, as if they were trying to win with the element of surprise. I dont know if there has been any sabermatic study on this, but i think the traditional logic is that when pitchers and hitters havent seen much of each other, the pitcher generally has the advantage. with a good defense behind them, the pitchers might be able to avoid getting totally destroyed at least.
If they were in any division other than AL East, there would be at least some minor glimmer of hope for this team, but with 3 extremely good teams in front of us, its hard to be too excited.
April 13, 2009 at 06:12AM View BBCode
also: the team isnt bad. I honestly think they could turn the corner and become a good team in the near future. Their relief pitching is pretty good and pretty deep, their hitting is good and young, and they have an elite defense (i think i read somewhere that the orioles have the best defensive outfield in the majors. add in an elite defensive SS, a very good defensive 2Bman, and an above league average catcher in wieters... I dont know about mora and huff, but i assume they suck at defense).Obviously their problem is the pitching, and i guess their plan is to just bring a bunch of random no names with experience in, as if they were trying to win with the element of surprise. I dont know if there has been any sabermatic study on this, but i think the traditional logic is that when pitchers and hitters havent seen much of each other, the pitcher generally has the advantage. with a good defense behind them, the pitchers might be able to avoid getting totally destroyed at least.
If they were in any division other than AL East, there would be at least some minor glimmer of hope for this team, but with 3 extremely good teams in front of us, its hard to be too excited.
happy
April 13, 2009 at 06:14AM View BBCode
(what we need is 12 teams in the playoffs! and 4 divisions, like the NFL. although itd probably still be near impossible to make the playoffs. Rays would be put in the south division probably, so we would still be stuck with yankees/redsox)
Duff77
April 14, 2009 at 08:42AM View BBCode
"Orioles Magic" is extremely dated now. The lyrics are all about Earl Weaver and Memorial stadium and censored . But the song itself is a classic and an Orioles home win just isn't right without it. I think someone should start petitioning for an updated version.
Duff77
I think the midair collision is more likely.
April 14, 2009 at 08:43AM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
(what we need is 12 teams in the playoffs! and 4 divisions, like the NFL. although itd probably still be near impossible to make the playoffs. Rays would be put in the south division probably, so we would still be stuck with yankees/redsox)
I think the midair collision is more likely.
dirtdevil
well sure, but what high points are you going to use in it? our old shortstop played a lot of games?
April 14, 2009 at 12:56PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Duff77
"Orioles Magic" is extremely dated now. The lyrics are all about Earl Weaver and Memorial stadium and censored . But the song itself is a classic and an Orioles home win just isn't right without it. I think someone should start petitioning for an updated version.
well sure, but what high points are you going to use in it? our old shortstop played a lot of games?
happy
-high attendence after getting a pretty stadium.
k.
Game 7, Uehara pitched 87 in 5...
April 14, 2009 at 01:20PM View BBCode
-pretty stadium-high attendence after getting a pretty stadium.
k.
Game 7, Uehara pitched 87 in 5...
tm4559
you are quite invited to drop dead.
April 14, 2009 at 01:35PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
well sure, but what high points are you going to use in it? our old shortstop played a lot of games?
you are quite invited to drop dead.
Duff77
Also, was poking through old threads last night: Tom was right about the Rays last spring, and Craig is correct that with the advent of the Nats, the O's are no longer a large market team.
I wouldn't call them "small market" though. I think the Balto-Wash market is going to be pretty complex. People may not drive the extra hour to watch an equally sucky team, but if one of the two ever starts getting really good I think you'll see interest gravitate toward it.
April 14, 2009 at 05:11PM View BBCode
Yeah, I was thinking about that myself actually. The new lyrics for Orioles Magic would have to be pretty general because there's nothing specific worth talking about.Also, was poking through old threads last night: Tom was right about the Rays last spring, and Craig is correct that with the advent of the Nats, the O's are no longer a large market team.
I wouldn't call them "small market" though. I think the Balto-Wash market is going to be pretty complex. People may not drive the extra hour to watch an equally sucky team, but if one of the two ever starts getting really good I think you'll see interest gravitate toward it.
happy
I live in northern VA, I am metro accessable, and I will tell you that a very small percentage of people have switched to becoming nationals fans. You dont see it in wyoming, but people just plain dont give a censored about the nationals. Their team sucks, their name sucks, their jerseys suck. Even casual fans dont want to root for the nationals because they dont want to wear those ugly ass jerseys.
I mean, people care more about hockey than the freaking nationals. At least if you go to a hockey game you can go to the spy museum before the game.
[Edited on 4-14-2009 by happy]
April 14, 2009 at 08:57PM View BBCode
Orioles own a major stake in MASN. On top of being the signficantly more popular team, they actually get a significant profit from people watching nationals TV.I live in northern VA, I am metro accessable, and I will tell you that a very small percentage of people have switched to becoming nationals fans. You dont see it in wyoming, but people just plain dont give a censored about the nationals. Their team sucks, their name sucks, their jerseys suck. Even casual fans dont want to root for the nationals because they dont want to wear those ugly ass jerseys.
I mean, people care more about hockey than the freaking nationals. At least if you go to a hockey game you can go to the spy museum before the game.
[Edited on 4-14-2009 by happy]