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Jughead
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June 03, 2010 at 12:57AM View BBCode
Now we're going to be stuck with instant replay in baseball on EVERYTHING.
Tyles
June 03, 2010 at 01:34AM View BBCode
All of these perfect games are getting kind of stupid, you know?
Tyles
June 03, 2010 at 01:34AM View BBCode
(Also there should be instant replay in baseball on EVERYTHING.)
DwightKSchrute
June 03, 2010 at 03:36AM View BBCode
Seems like there should be a way to reverse that and recognize this as the perfecto it really was.
Jughead
June 03, 2010 at 03:38AM View BBCode
I don't understand the rules so good, but couldn't one of the other umpires overruled him?
jetpac
June 03, 2010 at 03:40AM View BBCode
could the other umpires really see it from across the field?
Jughead
June 03, 2010 at 03:51AM View BBCode
Where else would they be looking? There were no other baserunners.
Tyles
June 03, 2010 at 04:00AM View BBCode
Joyce clearly blew the call, but it wasn't like the runner was out by a half-dozen steps, and not that it's his fault (clearly), but Cabrera sure took his sweet time getting the ball to Galarraga. I think he mistook the ball for a Whatchamacallit there for a second.
shep1582
the only time would be if you see obstruction or interference, but even then, you would discuss it before changing the call.
Joyce was in good position to see the play, and for sure better than anyone else.
I bet umpires would welcome instant replay, if it were something that could be done quickly and easily. One of the first things they teach in any umpire class is that you're going to make mistakes. Be in the right position, and you won't make very many. Joyce's eyes deceived him, and it was a lot tougher call than it looked like in slo mo.
If they ever put ball/strike calls into instant replay, however, it will ruin the game.
June 03, 2010 at 05:30AM View BBCode
no umpire may, at any time, overrule another umpire, especially on a judgment call like a bang bang play at first.the only time would be if you see obstruction or interference, but even then, you would discuss it before changing the call.
Joyce was in good position to see the play, and for sure better than anyone else.
I bet umpires would welcome instant replay, if it were something that could be done quickly and easily. One of the first things they teach in any umpire class is that you're going to make mistakes. Be in the right position, and you won't make very many. Joyce's eyes deceived him, and it was a lot tougher call than it looked like in slo mo.
If they ever put ball/strike calls into instant replay, however, it will ruin the game.
Jon
People like to complain about instant replay slowing down the game. As compared to....the manager and ump screaming at each other for 5 minutes, the umps holding a group huddle, making a final decision, then the manager and ump screaming at each other for another 5 minutes? Is that really supposed to be part of the "purity of the game"?
This whole thing is asinine. Drag the sport into the 21st century already, kicking and screaming if we have to.
June 03, 2010 at 05:54AM View BBCode
You know a really easy way to fix this whole mess? Stick another ump in the booth, with several cameras surrounding him. Give the other umps an earpiece for him to communicate with. If this guy thinks the on-field ump fucked up, say in his earpiece, "hey, I think you fucked up, let me check.....yep, you fucked up."People like to complain about instant replay slowing down the game. As compared to....the manager and ump screaming at each other for 5 minutes, the umps holding a group huddle, making a final decision, then the manager and ump screaming at each other for another 5 minutes? Is that really supposed to be part of the "purity of the game"?
This whole thing is asinine. Drag the sport into the 21st century already, kicking and screaming if we have to.
shep1582
You really only need one earpiece, for the umpire in chief. Let him know the call is being reviewed, he can call time, and within seconds, they can change any fair/foul, HR, safe/out call that needs to be fixed.
Let's never, ever, neverever, allow "challenges" like the NFL does them, however.
June 03, 2010 at 06:04AM View BBCode
I'd like that as well, Jon. That would put an end, once and for all, to managers acting like morons on the field.You really only need one earpiece, for the umpire in chief. Let him know the call is being reviewed, he can call time, and within seconds, they can change any fair/foul, HR, safe/out call that needs to be fixed.
Let's never, ever, neverever, allow "challenges" like the NFL does them, however.
shep1582
Criticism of him is silly.
June 03, 2010 at 06:08AM View BBCode
Oh, and Cabrera make a perfect play. He planted and made sure the pitcher was in position, and made a good throw.Criticism of him is silly.
drew
June 03, 2010 at 06:18AM View BBCode
Props to Galarraga, not only for the way he pitched, but also for the way he reacted. His post game quote almost brings a tear to my eye.
Lou.
June 03, 2010 at 06:34AM View BBCode
Class. And to take things in stride and make light of a situation most people would be pissed off by.
shep1582
and Joyce manned up, and you could tell he felt just terrible about it. whatever negatives come about because of his blown call are easily brushed off by his mea culpa.
June 03, 2010 at 06:40AM View formatted
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absolutely.
and Joyce manned up, and you could tell he felt just terrible about it. whatever negatives come about because of his blown call are easily brushed off by his mea culpa.
happy
June 03, 2010 at 01:48PM View BBCode
If instant replay is going to keep managers from screaming at umps, I vote against it.
Tyles
June 03, 2010 at 01:56PM View BBCode
I really just wanted to make a crack about Cabrera's weight, sheppy. I asked Roger Staubach about the play, and he thought Joyce made the right call. Man, that guy sucks.
tm4559
(instant replay won't stop managers from coming out and arguing and players getting ejected and all that other cool stuff. that is what managers do. they will still do that.)
((the funniest thing about the call was, usually, umpires just make it easy on themselves, and just call the close play at first out, nobody complains for long. the sound play, the usual play, where you look for the runners foot, and listen for the ball in the glove, can be tough when there is a lot of noise. but this one was a straight sight play, the pitcher's foot, and the runner's foot. sometimes your hands just go out in this safe signal, and you can't even stop them. nobody knows why this happens.))
June 03, 2010 at 03:02PM View BBCode
ha.(instant replay won't stop managers from coming out and arguing and players getting ejected and all that other cool stuff. that is what managers do. they will still do that.)
((the funniest thing about the call was, usually, umpires just make it easy on themselves, and just call the close play at first out, nobody complains for long. the sound play, the usual play, where you look for the runners foot, and listen for the ball in the glove, can be tough when there is a lot of noise. but this one was a straight sight play, the pitcher's foot, and the runner's foot. sometimes your hands just go out in this safe signal, and you can't even stop them. nobody knows why this happens.))
tworoosters
Some sports channel anchor last night called it "the worst blown call of all time", obviously he wasn't around in 1985.
June 03, 2010 at 03:11PM View BBCode
Galarraga's total calm about the whole thing was amazing.Some sports channel anchor last night called it "the worst blown call of all time", obviously he wasn't around in 1985.
tm4559
(perhaps in galaraga we have a rare breed. a non-complainer about stuff that is over. wow. i mean
w.........o..........w.)
June 03, 2010 at 03:16PM View BBCode
yeah, it is like the one play was the whole game.(perhaps in galaraga we have a rare breed. a non-complainer about stuff that is over. wow. i mean
w.........o..........w.)
Tyles
June 03, 2010 at 03:17PM View BBCode
I don't think it's safe to accept as read that blowing the call on the first out in the ninth inning of a World Series Game 6 is worse than blowing the last out in the ninth inning of a perfect game.
Jughead
They better.
Someone more trained in psychology could answer this better than I, but I am sure it's the same part of the brain as the "Where do you bury the plane crash survivors" brainteaser and the Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck "duck season/wabbit season double-cross."
What I do not want to see is outliers affecting the normal aspects of the game. This is why I don't want instant replay.
Here is another idea: The logic behind calling him safe is that the ball could be interpreted as loose in Galarraga's glove until after the runner hit the bag, meaning he did not have possession of the ball at first. Would this then be an E-1 for not taking the throw cleanly? And can't you change scoring decisions after the fact? If so, give him the E and the no-hitter. It vindicates everyone.
June 03, 2010 at 04:22PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
(instant replay won't stop managers from coming out and arguing and players getting ejected and all that other cool stuff. that is what managers do. they will still do that.)
They better.
Originally posted by tm4559
((the funniest thing about the call was, usually, umpires just make it easy on themselves, and just call the close play at first out, nobody complains for long. the sound play, the usual play, where you look for the runners foot, and listen for the ball in the glove, can be tough when there is a lot of noise. but this one was a straight sight play, the pitcher's foot, and the runner's foot. sometimes your hands just go out in this safe signal, and you can't even stop them. nobody knows why this happens.))
Someone more trained in psychology could answer this better than I, but I am sure it's the same part of the brain as the "Where do you bury the plane crash survivors" brainteaser and the Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck "duck season/wabbit season double-cross."
What I do not want to see is outliers affecting the normal aspects of the game. This is why I don't want instant replay.
Here is another idea: The logic behind calling him safe is that the ball could be interpreted as loose in Galarraga's glove until after the runner hit the bag, meaning he did not have possession of the ball at first. Would this then be an E-1 for not taking the throw cleanly? And can't you change scoring decisions after the fact? If so, give him the E and the no-hitter. It vindicates everyone.
tm4559
*giggle*
June 03, 2010 at 04:26PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jughead
Originally posted by tm4559
(instant replay won't stop managers from coming out and arguing and players getting ejected and all that other cool stuff. that is what managers do. they will still do that.)
They better.
*giggle*
Tyles
The official scorer flatly refused to change his scoring decision. And he shouldn't -- there was no error on the play. Joyce didn't make the call because he thought the ball was loose in Galarraga's glove, he made it because he thought Donald beat out the throw. He said as much after the game.
June 03, 2010 at 04:39PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Jughead
Here is another idea: The logic behind calling him safe is that the ball could be interpreted as loose in Galarraga's glove until after the runner hit the bag, meaning he did not have possession of the ball at first. Would this then be an E-1 for not taking the throw cleanly? And can't you change scoring decisions after the fact? If so, give him the E and the no-hitter. It vindicates everyone.
The official scorer flatly refused to change his scoring decision. And he shouldn't -- there was no error on the play. Joyce didn't make the call because he thought the ball was loose in Galarraga's glove, he made it because he thought Donald beat out the throw. He said as much after the game.
shep1582
June 03, 2010 at 04:44PM View BBCode
Allowing managers to stand on the field screaming at umpires is the single stupidest thing in the history of sports.