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tworoosters
I have him on every fantasy team I own, including the real one where actual cash changes hands, and he's killing me everywhere .
I don't get to watch much East Coast baseball so I have no idea if he's just unlucky, whether he is truly over matched, has fallen into bad habits or is just sucking because he thinks it's what you are supposed to do when you play in Baltimore .
Any thoughts ??
Matt Wieters
June 21, 2010 at 11:56PM View BBCode
Will one of you Orioles fans please explain to me what is fucking happening with Mr. Hype ?I have him on every fantasy team I own, including the real one where actual cash changes hands, and he's killing me everywhere .
I don't get to watch much East Coast baseball so I have no idea if he's just unlucky, whether he is truly over matched, has fallen into bad habits or is just sucking because he thinks it's what you are supposed to do when you play in Baltimore .
Any thoughts ??
Hamilton2
June 22, 2010 at 01:26AM View BBCode
I'm going with: "he's just sucking because he thinks it's what you are supposed to do when you play in Baltimore." Because that is one of the funniest things I have heard all day.
Hamilton2
June 22, 2010 at 03:39AM View BBCode
Is that "you" plural? Or is the animosity morely directed at one of us in particular?
FuriousGiorge
June 22, 2010 at 05:09AM View formatted
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EVERYONE.
Jon
I still believe in Matt Wieters, but his adjustment period to the big leagues is taking longer than what most people predicted.
[Edited on 6-22-2010 by Jon]
June 22, 2010 at 10:21AM View BBCode
[url=http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4298&position=C]His walk rate[/url] is about half of what is was in the minors, suggesting he's still trying to adjust to big-leauge arms. On the other hand, his BABIP is much lower than in the minors.I still believe in Matt Wieters, but his adjustment period to the big leagues is taking longer than what most people predicted.
[Edited on 6-22-2010 by Jon]
happy
When you are this type of hitter, adjusting to the majors is much harder, because you get fooled by a lot more pitches, and youa re used to being able to wait for a much BETTER pitch to hit, you gotta start getting used to swinging at those more marginal/hittable pitches because you dont get as many good options.
But yeah, probably the coaches over there may just be like "JUST SWING AT ALL OF IT", becuase I mean, Jones's walk % has gone from 6.9% to 2.8% in one year. And walk% is supposed to be one of the most consistant indicators in the game.
Also, Wieters started pretty bad last year and picked it up by the end of the season, i certainly wouldnt dump him just yet. But I wouldnt have gotten him in the first place considering his somewhat unsustainable .356 BABIP last year.
June 22, 2010 at 12:28PM View BBCode
You gotta understand, the reason why the walky guys do so well is that they go deep into counts, what people forget is they dont just sit out on the balls, they sit out on the bad strikes, because you dont walk on 4 straight pitches, you will probably take at least one strike. These guys are waiting for good pitches to hit, and becaus they dont just swing away at anything that looks like itll hit the corner, when they DO hit the ball, they hit it solid. Of course sometimes you get down 2 strikes and then you gotta go back to defending the plate, and at least fouling off those bad ones.When you are this type of hitter, adjusting to the majors is much harder, because you get fooled by a lot more pitches, and youa re used to being able to wait for a much BETTER pitch to hit, you gotta start getting used to swinging at those more marginal/hittable pitches because you dont get as many good options.
But yeah, probably the coaches over there may just be like "JUST SWING AT ALL OF IT", becuase I mean, Jones's walk % has gone from 6.9% to 2.8% in one year. And walk% is supposed to be one of the most consistant indicators in the game.
Also, Wieters started pretty bad last year and picked it up by the end of the season, i certainly wouldnt dump him just yet. But I wouldnt have gotten him in the first place considering his somewhat unsustainable .356 BABIP last year.
happy
June 22, 2010 at 12:29PM View BBCode
god, the orioles are a disaster. 19 and 50 is really happening right now.
happy
Kevin Millwood. Current league leader in home runs allowed, earned runs, and hits allowed.
June 22, 2010 at 12:33PM View BBCode
TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS.Kevin Millwood. Current league leader in home runs allowed, earned runs, and hits allowed.
tworoosters
In an AL only league that requires two catchers Wieters looked awfully good in March.
My issue is that I have Napoli and now Santana but at this point Wieters is virtually untradeable and there is no "bench" in the league for active players, all 23 players count .
June 22, 2010 at 07:33PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
But I wouldnt have gotten him in the first place
In an AL only league that requires two catchers Wieters looked awfully good in March.
My issue is that I have Napoli and now Santana but at this point Wieters is virtually untradeable and there is no "bench" in the league for active players, all 23 players count .
Hamilton2
June 22, 2010 at 07:53PM View BBCode
If it is a keeper league, I wouldn't even care about it, because he will be one of the better catchers for a long time, only perhaps not this season. If it is a single season league ... what are your waiver options?
happy
id hold onto him until close to the waiver deadline, he could pull out some decent stats by the end, and it isnt like there are a bunch of other catchers that are playing great.
June 22, 2010 at 07:56PM View BBCode
oh, as a waiver its a good pickup.id hold onto him until close to the waiver deadline, he could pull out some decent stats by the end, and it isnt like there are a bunch of other catchers that are playing great.
Lou.
(Or Tim Tebow.)
And I could have sworn the real Joe Morgan was in this damn thread because I read this:
June 23, 2010 at 05:59AM View BBCode
Matt Wieters' primary source of misfortune, obviously, is that he is not Joe Mauer.(Or Tim Tebow.)
And I could have sworn the real Joe Morgan was in this damn thread because I read this:
because you dont walk on 4 straight pitches, you will probably take at least one strike.
happy
June 23, 2010 at 01:39PM View BBCode
I said "take" as in "intentionally dont swing at a ball that you expect to be a strike", not as in "you get one"
Jughead
I have Wieters in a league or two as well. I replaced him with AJ Pierzynski in one, still have him in the other. In a mixed league you can do that. In an AL-only league, you just have to tough it out, I suppose.
June 23, 2010 at 04:31PM View BBCode
I generously interpreted it to mean that sometimes you foul off a pitch before walking, thus preventing it from occurring on four pitches.I have Wieters in a league or two as well. I replaced him with AJ Pierzynski in one, still have him in the other. In a mixed league you can do that. In an AL-only league, you just have to tough it out, I suppose.
happy
June 23, 2010 at 04:57PM View BBCode
the point is players like vlad who swing at anything reasonable are much more likely to ground out or what have you on that first strike. You take the strike, you go deeper in the count and have a greater potential for a walk. Like, Ichiro doesnt swing at balls so much, but he doesnt walk becuase he swings at most any strike.
dirtdevil
June 23, 2010 at 05:48PM View BBCode
yeah, i don't have the stats in front of me, but you're exponentially more likely to make an out after taking the first pitch for a strike than you are to earn a walk. at 0-1 the advantage to the pitcher is larger than you seem to think.
tm4559
June 23, 2010 at 05:51PM View BBCode
we can't know if weiters wishes he had swung at the straight ones after they make him chase breaking balls in the dirt when they get two strikes on him. we can only assume the other players congratulate him for working the count.
Jughead
I don't see how this can be true. Ichiro is hard to walk because he swings at everything. Is there a stat that can prove this? Admittedly, my evidence is anecdotal, but I get 18 Mariners/A's games on my set every season. I've seen hundreds of Ichiro ABs over his U.S. career.
June 23, 2010 at 05:55PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy Like, Ichiro doesnt swing at balls so much, but he doesnt walk becuase he swings at most any strike.
I don't see how this can be true. Ichiro is hard to walk because he swings at everything. Is there a stat that can prove this? Admittedly, my evidence is anecdotal, but I get 18 Mariners/A's games on my set every season. I've seen hundreds of Ichiro ABs over his U.S. career.
tm4559
(hitters like vlad are successful because they love to hit the fastball. they specialize in not letting the pitcher get to the breaking ball. ichrio is just plain a great hitter, and seems to enjoy hitting. not walking.)
June 23, 2010 at 06:01PM View BBCode
in the land of the almighty obp, nothing but walks will do. hitting your way on is the easy way out.(hitters like vlad are successful because they love to hit the fastball. they specialize in not letting the pitcher get to the breaking ball. ichrio is just plain a great hitter, and seems to enjoy hitting. not walking.)
dirtdevil
(maybe happy has seen him play too, is what i'm saying)
June 23, 2010 at 06:04PM View BBCode
we used to have a japanese exchange student on our team for a while. he insisted at swinging 3-0 if the pitch was a strike, becuase "first strike most important". since i've never seen anyone who better exemplified the term 'ping hitter' (in his 2+ year 'career' he had a total of zero extra-base hits), it got pretty irritating pretty quickly.(maybe happy has seen him play too, is what i'm saying)
tm4559
June 23, 2010 at 06:06PM View BBCode
taking a walk in softball is the most sissyfied thing that ever happened.
dirtdevil
June 23, 2010 at 06:09PM View BBCode
you're right, of course, but who said anything about softball?
tm4559
June 23, 2010 at 06:11PM View BBCode
oh sorry. taking a walk in adult baseball (which is quite awesome, i play) is slightly less gay, for sure. slightly.Pages: 1 2