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imalbundy2
a pitcher under the same circumstances will receive ZERO IC's.
why is this different than a batter who comes up and never plays?
even if a pitcher doesn't throw, he will still learn from the other major leaguers and get to work on his stuff in the pen.
ML improvements for rarely used pitchers
December 15, 2010 at 11:27AM View formatted
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when batters are brought up from the minors, they receive some ML IC's even if they don't play at all.
a pitcher under the same circumstances will receive ZERO IC's.
why is this different than a batter who comes up and never plays?
even if a pitcher doesn't throw, he will still learn from the other major leaguers and get to work on his stuff in the pen.
dirtdevil
December 15, 2010 at 06:39PM View BBCode
i don't see why this wouldn't be reasonable. provided the amount of IC's is minimal, of course.
jetpac
December 15, 2010 at 07:18PM View BBCode
absolutely, give them the same number as bench hitters get
imalbundy2
i've been stewing on it ever since they made the change for bench hitters, but figured that it had already been discussed.
is there another thread to get this idea moving along?
December 18, 2010 at 06:05PM View BBCode
i wish i would have brought this up sooner.i've been stewing on it ever since they made the change for bench hitters, but figured that it had already been discussed.
is there another thread to get this idea moving along?
Admin
I could see a case for giving a guy some ICs for riding the bench and never pitching. A batter who is active but plays 0 games will earn 16.2 ICs over the course of a season. Perhaps pitchers should earn the same amount.
Tyson
December 18, 2010 at 07:24PM View BBCode
A pitcher who pitches at least every 8 days gets full ICs. After 8 days, a pitcher will earn some ICs but not as many as if he's pitched in the last 8 days. He earns less and less with each passing idle game, until 15 days after which he earns 0 ICs.I could see a case for giving a guy some ICs for riding the bench and never pitching. A batter who is active but plays 0 games will earn 16.2 ICs over the course of a season. Perhaps pitchers should earn the same amount.
Tyson
tworoosters
It is virtually impossible to get major league pitchers more than 55-60 ICs whereas hitters on high mentor teams can easily get 70+ per year .
As an example in the MSL, a veteran league, last season the maximum OS improves for a pitcher were 55 achieved by three pitchers. In contrast 55 positional players received 65 or more ICs with a high of 75.
December 18, 2010 at 08:57PM View BBCode
I still think there is an imbalance between hitter earned improvements and those earned by pitchers in the major leagues .It is virtually impossible to get major league pitchers more than 55-60 ICs whereas hitters on high mentor teams can easily get 70+ per year .
As an example in the MSL, a veteran league, last season the maximum OS improves for a pitcher were 55 achieved by three pitchers. In contrast 55 positional players received 65 or more ICs with a high of 75.
dirtdevil
December 18, 2010 at 09:53PM View BBCode
i guess the more important question to me is conversions per skill, not IC's. i don't really care how many IC's either gets comparatively, so long as the relevant skills improve at roughly the same rate.
imalbundy2
it would probably be the easiest way to get this started then it could be tweaked down the road.
December 22, 2010 at 05:07AM View BBCode
tyson - that is what i expected - something similar to the batters who aren't used much.it would probably be the easiest way to get this started then it could be tweaked down the road.
tm4559
a hitter gets 17 ic. spread them over seven skills, and that is two and a half chances each, call it three. pitchers get two skills. so give them (if they never pitch) six chances, or three in each skill on average (even this isn't right, because, you have stuff in there the batters can convert that doesn't make them better hitters (arm, range). the pitchers have only the vel and control, any conversion makes it a somewhat better pitcher. still, six chances is fair. 17? is not, its too much. obviously, too much.
January 09, 2011 at 07:20PM View BBCode
it should not be the same number. pitchers and hitters don't improve on the same schedule.a hitter gets 17 ic. spread them over seven skills, and that is two and a half chances each, call it three. pitchers get two skills. so give them (if they never pitch) six chances, or three in each skill on average (even this isn't right, because, you have stuff in there the batters can convert that doesn't make them better hitters (arm, range). the pitchers have only the vel and control, any conversion makes it a somewhat better pitcher. still, six chances is fair. 17? is not, its too much. obviously, too much.
tm4559
January 10, 2011 at 03:07AM View BBCode
BUT I DO HAVE A BETTER IDEA. MAKE THE IC ON A HITTER THAT DOESN'T PLAY (IN THE MAJORS BUT ON THE ROSTER) ZERO. ACUZ THEY DON'T USE SPOTS LIKE THAT IN REAL LIFE.Pages: 1