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BabyDoc
Green light to steal for certain runners
June 04, 2011 at 02:18AM View BBCode
Mostly, I think stealing is too risky to be worthwhile, except in a few circumstances, even for A+ runners. However, a guy who's maxed out on speed has good enough odds that I would like to give him the green light. I can't do that now without giving it to all my A+ speed guys.
WillyD
That being said, I agree that we should have steal prefs for each player.
June 05, 2011 at 09:00PM View BBCode
Stealing for A+ runners is risky in SimD only because all the catchers have A+ arms. In real life A+ runners should run, run, & run!That being said, I agree that we should have steal prefs for each player.
tm4559
(it is acceptable.)
June 06, 2011 at 01:39PM View BBCode
with the right personell and the right settings, 75% is doable, even against all the strong arms, with sucessful steals in the 200 plus or minus range. most folks think that is acceptable.(it is acceptable.)
tworoosters
Willy's point about catcher's arms has some validity but since speed continues to improve until they are 27-28 the catchers need to keep going as well . Realistically I think speed/arm/range should all have a maximum level of improvement say 30 points .
June 06, 2011 at 05:37PM View BBCode
75% is certainly attainable, quite easily actually, but rarely with 200 steals. I find most SIM teams that attain the 75% rate tend to make 150 or less attemptsWilly's point about catcher's arms has some validity but since speed continues to improve until they are 27-28 the catchers need to keep going as well . Realistically I think speed/arm/range should all have a maximum level of improvement say 30 points .
GatorBoudreaux
I like the catchers in the sim. They're a throwback to a time when catchers could actually throw out runners. It's a lost art in the MLB. That said as one who likes a lot of speed and likes to run. I think the balance is pretty good.
June 07, 2011 at 01:39PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Stealing for A+ runners is risky in SimD only because all the catchers have A+ arms.
I like the catchers in the sim. They're a throwback to a time when catchers could actually throw out runners. It's a lost art in the MLB. That said as one who likes a lot of speed and likes to run. I think the balance is pretty good.
WillyD
June 09, 2011 at 04:25PM View BBCode
Actually the balance is not good. The elite runners do not perform up to MLB standards, and because there are too many good (A and A-) base stealers in SimD, they balance all that speed by giving catchers too good of a chance to reach A+ arm.
tm4559
who led real life MLB last season in sucessful percentage on attempts above, say, whatever number you want to pick out as enough attempts to be considered the crazy good running awesome?
report back.
June 09, 2011 at 04:34PM View BBCode
who led real life MLB last season (in steals) and what was the sucessful percentage?who led real life MLB last season in sucessful percentage on attempts above, say, whatever number you want to pick out as enough attempts to be considered the crazy good running awesome?
report back.
WillyD
These don't happen in SimD very often or at all in SimD.
June 09, 2011 at 04:51PM View formatted
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Well 2 seasons ago Carl Crawford was 60 out of 76 and Jacoby Ellsbury was 70 for 82. Jose Reyes has had some nice years too: [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/reyesjo01.shtml]Jose Reyes[/url]
These don't happen in SimD very often or at all in SimD.
tm4559
June 09, 2011 at 05:14PM View BBCode
i will find some sims for you later. until the simulations can handle making the runners steal on the pitcher though, you aren't going to get much out of it. they don't steal that stuff on the catcher, they steal most of them on the pitcher. the catcher never has a chance.
WillyD
[url=http://www.topindustrynews.com/player.jsp?id=5784398]Eric Moreno[/url]
He had some very good years but still had too many 20+ CS years for an elite baserunner. It's tough to get those 83+% SB years while still getting 50+ for a season total.
June 09, 2011 at 05:46PM View BBCode
This guys was one of the fastest guys I've had in SimD. He was very close to max speed, probably 97/98.[url=http://www.topindustrynews.com/player.jsp?id=5784398]Eric Moreno[/url]
He had some very good years but still had too many 20+ CS years for an elite baserunner. It's tough to get those 83+% SB years while still getting 50+ for a season total.
tm4559
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8251400
what is 52 and 17? i am too lazy.
(this was from bobby's team last year. the whole thing stole 183 and was caught 62).
[Edited on 6-9-2011 by tm4559]
June 09, 2011 at 06:04PM View BBCode
your real life guys don't have many either do they?http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8251400
what is 52 and 17? i am too lazy.
(this was from bobby's team last year. the whole thing stole 183 and was caught 62).
[Edited on 6-9-2011 by tm4559]
WillyD
75% is fairly easy to do in SimD but getting into the mid 80 percent range isn't.
[Edited on 6-9-2011 by WillyD]
June 09, 2011 at 06:24PM View BBCode
That's 69, so 52-for-69 is .754 pct. which is solid and all, but not what the elite guys do in most years.75% is fairly easy to do in SimD but getting into the mid 80 percent range isn't.
[Edited on 6-9-2011 by WillyD]
tm4559
(i have no idea how easy or difficult this is to find. i don't think there have been a whole lot of them. in general, the ones who love to steal seem to love to get caught too really. how about the greatest of all time? ricky? how many does he have, over 50 stolen, at over 80%? i know ricky is also the all time leader in caught stealing and all.)
(by mid 80 percent range do you mean 85%? you might come up with some real life players that did that in scattered seasons. anybody that has done it much? again, i do not know. i do not count crawford and ellsbury doing it once each, or reyes coming close a few times.)
June 09, 2011 at 06:41PM View BBCode
how many seasons can you find of real life stolen bases with sucessful attempts over 50 and at an over 80% rate? how many have there been?(i have no idea how easy or difficult this is to find. i don't think there have been a whole lot of them. in general, the ones who love to steal seem to love to get caught too really. how about the greatest of all time? ricky? how many does he have, over 50 stolen, at over 80%? i know ricky is also the all time leader in caught stealing and all.)
(by mid 80 percent range do you mean 85%? you might come up with some real life players that did that in scattered seasons. anybody that has done it much? again, i do not know. i do not count crawford and ellsbury doing it once each, or reyes coming close a few times.)
tm4559
June 09, 2011 at 06:52PM View BBCode
((i don't really want to do the arithmetic i reckon, but i suppose rickey did it a a bunch of times. that is pretty mind boggling.)
tm4559
72 once
76 twice
79 twice
83 once
84 once
85 twice
86 NEVER!!!!!!
87 twice
88 once
89 once
90 once
it is quite spectacular. is there more than one rickey in real life?
(if we somehow had it to go that high for some thing in simulation, it would go that high for, perhaps, too many compared to real life.)
June 09, 2011 at 07:09PM View BBCode
at any rate, i did rickey's 14 qualifying seasons (over 50 sucesses, although he had some awesome percentage years on slightly lower numbers too) and i got this (percentage rounded to two places and number of times at that percentage)72 once
76 twice
79 twice
83 once
84 once
85 twice
86 NEVER!!!!!!
87 twice
88 once
89 once
90 once
it is quite spectacular. is there more than one rickey in real life?
(if we somehow had it to go that high for some thing in simulation, it would go that high for, perhaps, too many compared to real life.)
tm4559
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7123365
with 8 qualifying seasons. the percentages were
79, 77, 81, 87, 84, 80, 73, 80
June 09, 2011 at 07:19PM View BBCode
now, incredibly enough, the very first one on the list when i looked up the single season highs for sb brought forward this code bithttp://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7123365
with 8 qualifying seasons. the percentages were
79, 77, 81, 87, 84, 80, 73, 80
tm4559
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=2142974
77, 76, 82, 81, 81, 88, 83, 84
June 09, 2011 at 07:27PM View BBCode
we even had a simulated rickey with eight qualifiers!http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=2142974
77, 76, 82, 81, 81, 88, 83, 84
tworoosters
June 09, 2011 at 07:36PM View BBCode
Who cares about stolen bases when you can watch [url=http://www.noob.us/entertainment/the-cutest-kitten-video-you-will-see-today/]this[/url] - just for tm.
tm4559
June 09, 2011 at 07:43PM View BBCode
okay i am watching. you better tell me now nothing bad is going to happen.
tm4559
June 09, 2011 at 07:44PM View BBCode
(i was kind of on the edge of my seat that the big cat would just haul off and eat it.)
WillyD
All of these guys had these success rates in seasons of 50+ steals:
Vince Coleman - 81, 88, 83, 75, 87, 82, 86
Tim Raines - 87, 83, 87, 88, 87, 87, 91
Willie Wilson - 87, 89, 88, 84
Davey Lopes - 77, 87, 86
Joe Morgan - 77, 82, 83, 87, 87
June 09, 2011 at 08:13PM View BBCode
Actually there are more 85+, quite a few more, and some players have career numbers of 83 and 84%!All of these guys had these success rates in seasons of 50+ steals:
Vince Coleman - 81, 88, 83, 75, 87, 82, 86
Tim Raines - 87, 83, 87, 88, 87, 87, 91
Willie Wilson - 87, 89, 88, 84
Davey Lopes - 77, 87, 86
Joe Morgan - 77, 82, 83, 87, 87
tm4559
(the cards i posted were for eight seasons. i see two sevens there, one five, one four, one three. it is what i mean by "scattered." you see what i am getting at, right? you make it so the simulated ones can do it, they reel it off 13, 14 seasons in a row. a veritable host of rickeys.)
June 09, 2011 at 08:50PM View BBCode
they don't look very far off the cards i posted.(the cards i posted were for eight seasons. i see two sevens there, one five, one four, one three. it is what i mean by "scattered." you see what i am getting at, right? you make it so the simulated ones can do it, they reel it off 13, 14 seasons in a row. a veritable host of rickeys.)
tworoosters
June 09, 2011 at 08:54PM View BBCode
Raines doesn't count acuz he was Superman, and the HOF voters should all just be ashamed and retire.
WillyD
June 09, 2011 at 09:51PM View BBCode
Reduce speed a bunch and reduce catcher arms a little and you could see numbers like that more often. We will always have the steals cause people like them, but you'll see the CS% go down vs the real base-stealers. I mean teams with 200 steals shouldn't happen 4 times a season in every league.Pages: 1