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aonemanarmy

1974 HOF Ballot

July 06, 2011 at 05:12PM View BBCode

One new name on the ballot, Todd Gonzalez

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BATTERS

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7458611]Todd Gonzalez[/url] (SEA, KC, NYN)

1952 - Rookie of the Year
1954 - All-star
1955 - All-star starter
1956 - MVP, All-star starter
1957 - All-star, Gold Glove
1958 - All-star starter, Gold Glove, League leader in RBI
1959 - All-star starter, Gold Glove, league leader in Runs, HR, OPS, OBP, SLG, and AVG
1960 - All-star starter
1961 - All-star starter
1962 - MVP, All-star starter, Gold Glove, League leader in RBI, OPS, SLG, and AVG
1963 - All-star starter
1964 - All-star starter
1965 - All-star, Gold Glove
1965 - All-star
Career Stats: 3287 Hits (All-time leader), 1952 Runs (All-time leader), 515 HR (All-time leader), 1882 RBI (2nd All-time), 122 SB, .301 AVG (5th All-time), .882 OPS (All-time leader) 7 WS Rings

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7646132]Bruce Easley[/url] (STL, NYN)
1960 - Rookie of the Year, All-star
1961 - All-star starter, League leader in HR, Single Season Record in HR (47)
1962 - All-star starter, Gold Glove, league leader in 2b
1963 - All-star starter, league leader in HR
1964 - All-star starter
1965 - All-star starter
1966 - All-star
1967 - All-star starter, Gold Glove
Career Stats: 1790 Hits, 1032 Runs, 344 HR, 1014 RBI, 184 SB, .289 Avg, .863 OPS, .519 SLG (All-time leader) 0 WS Rings

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7458317]Terry Woods[/url] (OAK)
1953 - All-star starter
1954 - All-star, Gold Glove
1956 - All-star starter
1957 - All-star
1958 - All-star starter
1959 - All-star, Gold Glove
1963 - Gold Glove
Career Stats: 2497 Hits, 1311 Runs, 342 HR, 1281 RBI, 255 SB, .283 Avg, .811 OPS, 0 WS Rings

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7458759]Lefty Hechinger[/url] (ATL)
1955 - Gold Glove
1961 - MVP, All-star
1962 - All-star
1963 - All-star
1964 - All-star
1965 - All-star
Career Stats: 2489 Hits, 1311 Runs, 314 HR, 1375 RBI, 275 SB, .267 Avg, .761 OPS 2 WS Rings

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7458904]John Bostick[/url] (KC)
1956 - Rookie of the Year
1958 - All-star Starter
1959 - MVP, All-star Starter
1960 - Gold Glove
1962 - All-star starter
1963 - All-star starter, League leader in RBI
1964 - All-star starter
1965 - All-star starter
1966 - All-star
1967 - All-star starter
Career Stats: 2106 Hits, 1193 Runs, 301 HR, 1221 RBI, 161 SB, .295 AVG, .850 OPS, 1 WS Ring

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7646184]Jack Schafer[/url] (NYN)
1966 - All-star starter
1967 - MVP, All-star starter
1968 - MVP, All-star starter, League leader in AVG and 3B
1969 - All-star, Gold Glove
Career Stats: 1989 Hits, 1074 Runs, 230 HR, 1035 RBI, 209 SB, .283 AVG, .800 OPS, 1 WS Ring

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8236225]John Jimenez[/url] (NYN)
1961 - All-star starter
1963 - All-star
1964 - All-star
1965 - Gold Glove
1966 - All-star, Gold Glove
1967 - All-star starter
Career Stats: 2112 Hits, 1172 Runs, 235 HR, 949 RB, 157 SB, .291 Avg., .813 OS, 1 WS Ring

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7458879]Mike Callahan[/url] (SEA)
1959 - Gold Glove
1960 - Gold Glove
1961 - All-star starter
1962 - All-star starter, Gold Glove
1963 - All-star, Gold Glove
1965 - All-star starter, Gold Glove, League leader in 2b
1966 - MVP, All-star starter, Gold Glove, Leauge leader in OPS, OBP and Avg.
1967 - All-star
1968 - Gold Glove
Career Stats: 2301 Hits, 1361 Runs, 227 HR, 1004 RBI, 37 SB, .288 Avg, .811 OPS 6 WS Rings

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7508230]Cesar Naylor[/url] (BRO)
1956 - Rookie of the Year
1957 - All-star starter
1958 - All-star
1959 - All-star, Gold Glove
1961 - All-star starter
1962 - All-star starter, Gold Glove
1963 - All-star starter
1964 - All-star starter
1965 - All-star starter
1967 - All-star
Career Stats: 2386 Hits, 1260 Runs, 224 HR, 1151 RBI, 358 SB, .293 Avg., .809 OPS 0 WS Rings

PITCHERS

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7508204]Luis Dawson[/url] (KC, SF)
1958 - All-star
1960 - All-star
1961 - All-star
1963 - All-star
Career Stats: 212 Wins, 12 CG, 5 SHO, 2243 SO, 1.21 WHIP, 3.63 ERA 0 WS Rings

[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7458295]Frank Bedgood[/url] (CHN)
1950 - League leader in CG
1953 - Leage leader in SHO
1955 - All-star, League leader in CG
1958 - All-star, League leader in SHO
1959 - All-star
1960 - Cy Young, All-star starter, League leader in Wins and SHO
1961 - All-star, League leader in SHO
Career Stats: 198 Wins, 110 CG (3rd all time), 30 SHO (3rd All-time) 2703 SO (5th All-time), 1.28 WHIP, 3.65 ERA, 0 WS Rings

[url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7458697]John Lennon[/url] (SEA, TEX)
1954 - Fireman, All-star
1955 - Fireman, All-star
1956 - Fireman, All-star
1957 - Fireman, All-star
1958 - All-star
1961 - Fireman, All-star
1962 - Fireman, All-star
1963 - All-star
Career Stats: 46 Wins, 412 Saves (2nd All-time), 662 SO, 1.39 WHIP, 4.55 ERA 3 WS Rings

[Edited on 7-6-2011 by aonemanarmy]

BuzzCur

July 06, 2011 at 05:33PM View BBCode

Gonzales (he'll be unanimous, no?)
Easley
Bostick
Lennon

Maul725

July 06, 2011 at 05:36PM View BBCode

ChC votes for:

Gonzalez
Bedgood
Dawson
Bostick
Easley

GreenAndGold

July 06, 2011 at 05:53PM View BBCode

OAK votes for:

Callahan
Gonzales
Easley
Woods
Bedgood

[Edited on 7-6-2011 by GreenAndGold]

Stros

July 06, 2011 at 06:13PM View BBCode

Todd Gonzalez- Leagues first and only A+ hitter. Amazing guy and that 882 career OPS is just insane. Hands down one of the best I've ever seen anywhere in 130 seasons of SimD.

Bostick
Easley
Woods

GreenAndGold

July 06, 2011 at 06:14PM View formatted

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I think Callahan needs more love. 6 world series rings, a MVP (meaning he was the best in the league at one point in his career), + many gold gloves

willmeg

July 06, 2011 at 06:31PM View BBCode

Gonzalez
Bostick
Easley

chbutt

July 06, 2011 at 06:47PM View BBCode

Easley
Gonzalez

(Cleveland)

Stros

July 06, 2011 at 10:41PM View BBCode

Originally posted by GreenAndGold
I think Callahan needs more love. 6 world series rings, a MVP (meaning he was the best in the league at one point in his career), + many gold gloves

Really? I'm interested in your reasons to vote for Callahan ( who I considered strongly) and not to vote for Bostick who has more all-star games and starts, more hr's, rbi's, better BA, OBP and OPS than Callahan?

Granted Callahan was great defensively and put up very good numbers but for a guy 700 hits away from 3k, I personally woud like to see 1500 runs or more pop or better OPS to go along with the 288 career average. His run total puts him at 14th career

The rings are nice and all but I personally don't put any weight in those when considering HOF votes. There are enough things out of a players control without factoring that in.

For me, he is a notch below Woods who got my vote but not many others it seems.

I would love to be talked into Bedgood though, someone lobby him that voted for him!

Stros

July 06, 2011 at 10:43PM View BBCode

((no I am not trying to lobby for votes, just trying to understand the reasoning so please don't let me bully anyone into changing votes))

cwballer25

July 06, 2011 at 11:31PM View BBCode

Gonzalez
Bostick
Woods
Bedgood
Dawson

aonemanarmy

July 07, 2011 at 12:11AM View BBCode

Gonzalez
Easley
Woods
Bostick
Bedgood

Easley's career was short but he was absolutely dominant when he played. He averaged 33.5 HRs per season for the 10 full seasons that he played, including 47 in 1961 which is the single season record. Out of his 344 HRs, it felt like he hit 340 of them against my Dodgers.

Woods' career numbers would put him near the middle of the players who are currently in the HOF.

Although Bostick's numbers are less impressive than Woods overall, his awards including Rookie of the Year, MVP, and 7 All-star starts are enough to make him worthy of the HOF.

Bedgood is a Cy Young winner, and ranks in the top 5 of three different categories, including 5th all-time in strike outs. His career numbers are fantastic, aside from his WHIP which is higher than any current HOFer. But 1.28 WHIP isn't bad at all, and I don't tihnk it outweighs his accomplishments.

GreenAndGold

July 07, 2011 at 10:38AM View BBCode

To be honest, I had the hardest time convincing myself to vote Woods in - him being an Oakland A certainly influenced me in the end.

Regarding my reasoning on Callahan:

First off, about world series rings. I don't think they should be factored as a primary reason to vote a guy in, but in Callahan's case, I think it should be considered as a contributing factor when looking at his case. He was the starter on 8 World Series teams - to get to the World Series, you usually want to have the best player you can reasonably have at every position - Callahan was this guy @ 2B, a rather premium position. And he scored 81 runs in 111 playoff games (458 PA) - yeah not every player gets to play in the playoffs, but if stats are considered those should be too.

(2) [url=http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7458879&statsorimps=fielding]His defense[/url] is superlative. I would consider a player in the +5 to +15 a damn good fielder...this guy had a ridiculous +29 one year....in his career, per 162 games he was +22 at 2B. 7 gold gloves at a cursory glance looks to be the most amongst all the players listed this year (might be something nice to include in the future), and it needs to factor in his case quite substantially in my mind, especially considering his at least above average hitting.

(3) Frankly, I favor OBP% over AVG% slightly. The .288 itself is not that bad at all, just out of the top 25 all time, and the .363 OBP is 3rd best of the bunch(Bostick was at .362) listed above, and also higher than anyone in the hall of fame right now. Contributing to it is that he is #8 all-time in walks.

(4) His numbers might fall short in the main categories, but with the low health and what looks like lower position in the batting order earlier in his career, yes the stats are going to suffer a little. However, I read an interesting point a couple years ago in an article about Jim Rice's case for the HOF. Although Rice's career numbers didn't add up to an overly impressive total, he was at one point in his career the best player in the league; he won the MVP that season.

Looking at Callahan's spectacular '66 season:

- The .368 average is #1 all time in a single season - second is not even close, at .354
- OBP is also #1 all-time at a ridiculous .438
- Gold Glove +21
- MVP
- Seattle wins the World Series

In that season, he was the best player in the league. And he had other good seasons around it, so it wasn't a random fluke. This is the strongest reason I feel he should be in the hall of fame - comparable career averages and one incredible season. I know it was only 480 PA, but if the league records show that the AVG qualifies as the best of all-time, and he got the MVP, it's good enough reason for me.

Ultimately I think his overall resume should make him a lock for the HOF. The others, like Woods or Bostick, may compare to other HOFs in some stats, but so does Callahan. And sure had Woods had consistent power numbers(1000 more ABs) and Bostick had a MVP, but Callahan's MVP was record-breaking - 110 runs in a 115 games - it boggles my mind.

Ifhome run numbers and hits are used in other players' favor, Callahan's overall stats should also be considered. It's a crime he isn't getting more votes.

[Edited on 7-7-2011 by GreenAndGold]

Maul725

July 07, 2011 at 02:23PM View BBCode

Well GreenandGold, you convinced me on Callahan. I have voted for him in the past but due to the lack of interest on his behalf I started voting for others and ended up leaving him off my ballot the past couple of years. It was his defensive prowess that originally had caught my eye, and after reading your post I officially hang my head in shame on not voting for him this year. Hopefully both he and Bedgood will make it in next year because I feel they both deserve it...Dawson as well.

Stros: If you want to be convinced about Bedgood and aonemanarmy's post didn't do it for you, consider that when Bedgood retired he was ranked 2nd in strikeouts and was the all-time leader in shutouts. It wasn't his fault he was on a bad team which hurt his win totals and the faulty defense behind him didn't help his ERA....but his career and Dawson's are very similar and I think if one gets a vote then the other should as well.....hence why I voted for both this year.

I actually don't want to think how good Bedgood would've been had I traded him to a playoff contender. Pretty sure that would've been scary.

GreenAndGold

July 07, 2011 at 06:10PM View BBCode

Agree I think Bedgood should make it as well....nothing too spectacular, but a consistent front-line starter in his prime.

Glad I was able to convince you Maul. Really feel like he's got a great case.

[Edited on 7-7-2011 by GreenAndGold]

man7501268

July 09, 2011 at 10:10PM View BBCode

Gonzalez
Easley
Bostick
Callahan
Lennon

aonemanarmy

July 11, 2011 at 04:10PM View BBCode

Congratulations to Todd Gonzalez, Bruce Easley, and John Bostick, this year's Hall of Fame class. Only 9 managers voted this year, here are the totals:

Gonzalez - 9
Easley - 8
Bostick - 7
Bedgood - 4
Woods - 4
Lenon - 2
Dawson - 2
Callahan - 2
Everyone else - 0

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