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khazim
This is a win-win scenario. If Tebow succeeds, Denver knows they have a QB they can work with for the future. If he fails, they know they need to draft a QB.
Mile High Messiah
October 11, 2011 at 08:23PM View BBCode
yes. It seems that Tebow has gotten the starting nod over Orton primarily because Orton looked as if he was sleepwalking through this season.This is a win-win scenario. If Tebow succeeds, Denver knows they have a QB they can work with for the future. If he fails, they know they need to draft a QB.
dirtdevil
i suspect they already know that and would like the fans to come to grips with it too. i will say that this scenario has done the unthinkable and actually made me feel a bit bad for brady quinn. he was head and shoulders better than tebow in camp and preseason but he gets passed over because the tebow cult says so.
October 12, 2011 at 02:49PM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
If he fails, they know they need to draft a QB.
i suspect they already know that and would like the fans to come to grips with it too. i will say that this scenario has done the unthinkable and actually made me feel a bit bad for brady quinn. he was head and shoulders better than tebow in camp and preseason but he gets passed over because the tebow cult says so.
khazim
A. Every time Brady Quinn had a chance to get a stranglehold on the 2nd string position, he'd choke the chance away.
B. Fox never officially named a 2nd string QB. The new active roster rules for QBs make it so he didn't have to. So he didn't.
C. Brady Quinn won't see playing time unless they have to because the more playing time he gets, the higher the draft pick the broncos have to throw at the Browns after this season.
October 13, 2011 at 01:57PM View BBCode
A few things:A. Every time Brady Quinn had a chance to get a stranglehold on the 2nd string position, he'd choke the chance away.
B. Fox never officially named a 2nd string QB. The new active roster rules for QBs make it so he didn't have to. So he didn't.
C. Brady Quinn won't see playing time unless they have to because the more playing time he gets, the higher the draft pick the broncos have to throw at the Browns after this season.
dirtdevil
b) i never said that quinn was the "second string qb". i said that he had outperformed tebow in the preseason. he did.
c) this is probably true. i would also guess that they already feel comfortable thinking that quinn isn't the answer, so they might as well find out what tebow can actually do. the fact that his being worse than quinn gives them a better shot at luck, would of course play no role in the decision.
October 13, 2011 at 03:31PM View BBCode
a) given that he hasn't seen the field yet this season, it's hard to see what chance he's choked away this year. besides, had quinn got into that game and gone 4-10 i seriously doubt there would be any movement to have him named starter.b) i never said that quinn was the "second string qb". i said that he had outperformed tebow in the preseason. he did.
c) this is probably true. i would also guess that they already feel comfortable thinking that quinn isn't the answer, so they might as well find out what tebow can actually do. the fact that his being worse than quinn gives them a better shot at luck, would of course play no role in the decision.
tworoosters
:rolleyes:
October 13, 2011 at 03:45PM View BBCode
I think Luck's going to start doing post graduate work and stay out of the draft again .:rolleyes:
khazim
I seriously would love that.
As for this last week's performance by Tebow, even he acknowledged how bad he was in the first half. However, it wasn't just Tebow that stunk up the joint. There were 4 passes that were plain dropped by receivers plus two missed FGs. These blunders were in addition to Tebow overthrowing receivers by 10 yards and playing catch with the coaching staff in the middle of several offensive series.
I'll take the W, but I want more of the last 5 minutes than the first 55.
October 26, 2011 at 06:59PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
I think Luck's going to start doing post graduate work and stay out of the draft again .
:rolleyes:
I seriously would love that.
As for this last week's performance by Tebow, even he acknowledged how bad he was in the first half. However, it wasn't just Tebow that stunk up the joint. There were 4 passes that were plain dropped by receivers plus two missed FGs. These blunders were in addition to Tebow overthrowing receivers by 10 yards and playing catch with the coaching staff in the middle of several offensive series.
I'll take the W, but I want more of the last 5 minutes than the first 55.
dirtdevil
October 26, 2011 at 07:29PM View BBCode
that's a fair sentiment. i think the difficulty is the three things that made tebow so successful in college were, in no particular order, his competitive drive, his legs and the spread offence. that's not the greatest recipe for the nfl pocket passer they want him to be.
tm4559
and i was like, they got his release ready to go, the dolphins can walk this home. but no. acuz they are the dogass dolphins, and they deserve it.
October 26, 2011 at 11:26PM View BBCode
the dolphins can't do anything right can they? i got in my car, turned on the radio, they were like "fifteen nothing dolphins, tebow has 40 yards passing and 50 yards running. not a quarterback, huh?"and i was like, they got his release ready to go, the dolphins can walk this home. but no. acuz they are the dogass dolphins, and they deserve it.
khazim
As for Denver, the O-line has given up 13 sacks in two games, so any QB behind that line has no time to throw a deep ball. McGahee and Ball should be the only RBs on this roster as No Show Moreno couldn't even manage to run on one of the worst run defense in the league.
Denver Offense: Can't block. Can't throw, Can't run.
Why Mike McCoy is still the O- Coordinator with the slightly less interesting than paint drying offense he has out there simply baffles me.
[Edited on 11-1-2011 by khazim]
November 01, 2011 at 02:36PM View BBCode
They should rename the NFL team in Miami to the Miami Lebrons, because right now, the Dolphins can't play the 4th quarter, either.As for Denver, the O-line has given up 13 sacks in two games, so any QB behind that line has no time to throw a deep ball. McGahee and Ball should be the only RBs on this roster as No Show Moreno couldn't even manage to run on one of the worst run defense in the league.
Denver Offense: Can't block. Can't throw, Can't run.
Why Mike McCoy is still the O- Coordinator with the slightly less interesting than paint drying offense he has out there simply baffles me.
[Edited on 11-1-2011 by khazim]
dirtdevil
November 01, 2011 at 06:34PM View formatted
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you can put whatever share of the blame on whomever you want, but the simple fact is that tebow was flat out terrible sunday.
tm4559
November 02, 2011 at 01:24PM View BBCode
but he is still on the team. miami could have got him released. miami sucks.
dirtdevil
November 02, 2011 at 02:04PM View BBCode
miami does suck. i will not, can not, argue that point.
tm4559
November 02, 2011 at 02:44PM View BBCode
it isn't even fun to insist wrongly (just for fun) that miami does not indeed suck (and that grotesquely). that is quite remarkable.
tworoosters
Miami are, however, still tied for 1st in the Ollie Luck Sweepstakes which is much more important than getting Tim Tebow waived.
November 02, 2011 at 03:54PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
miami sucks.
Miami are, however, still tied for 1st in the Ollie Luck Sweepstakes which is much more important than getting Tim Tebow waived.
tm4559
they'll mess it up.
November 02, 2011 at 04:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
Originally posted by tm4559
miami sucks.
Miami are, however, still tied for 1st in the Ollie Luck Sweepstakes which is much more important than getting Tim Tebow waived.
they'll mess it up.
tworoosters
Do they deal Peyton ?
November 02, 2011 at 07:44PM View BBCode
So what does Indianapolis do if they finish with the #1 pick ?Do they deal Peyton ?
khazim
November 02, 2011 at 08:24PM View BBCode
Yes. It's what I would do. The team is getting old. Get lots of picks and rebuild.
dirtdevil
November 02, 2011 at 08:52PM View BBCode
from who? there are lots of teams that would love a healthy peyton manning. how many there are that would be willing to give up enough to make it worth moving him when he's coming off multiple season ending neck suguries, i don't know. if they finish last they draft luck, keep manning for a year and let luck learn by watching. then they trade peyton. preferably to the giants. that would be hilarious.
hayward
Not that I want to see them improve as I am a Packers fan, but to me that is the team it makes the most sense to go after Payton if Indy were to shop him.
November 03, 2011 at 02:17PM View BBCode
I would say MIN needs a QB, how many more seasons does AP have? Once he is done they are screwed.Not that I want to see them improve as I am a Packers fan, but to me that is the team it makes the most sense to go after Payton if Indy were to shop him.
khazim
And it it weird that the Broncos, who everyone agrees stinks, have the same record as the Eagles, who everyone wonders why they suck?
[Edited on 11-8-2011 by khazim]
November 08, 2011 at 03:35PM View BBCode
Well, Tebow definitely didn't suck against the Raiders, but it helps when you get excellent play from your offensive line, running backs, and receivers.And it it weird that the Broncos, who everyone agrees stinks, have the same record as the Eagles, who everyone wonders why they suck?
[Edited on 11-8-2011 by khazim]
khazim
November 18, 2011 at 02:29PM View BBCode
Well, here we are, two weeks later and the broncos, 1-4 under Orton as a starter, have gone 4-1. What is this league coming to?
dirtdevil
November 18, 2011 at 02:49PM View BBCode
i think you really have to give credit to john fox for revamping the offence to work with what he has rather than making what he has work in his offence. i also think you have to give credit to tebow for always plugging away at it and finding some way to pull out the close ones. but at the end of the day, he is just not a good quarterback. let's not forget that his offence produced a total of 10 points last night and he's completed something like 15 passes in two games.