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tworoosters
At age 38 Jeter is hitting .323 with an OPS over .800 and leads the major league in hits.
It would seem at this point that Jeter will probably end up, at worst, 6th on the All time list and has a reasonable chance at ending up 5th behind only Rose, Cobb, Aaron and Musial. Last night, having a nightcap after a reception I attended, I was pointedly informed by two baseball "fans" that Jeter was " a marginal Hall of Fame candidate, at best".
Haters gonna Hate .
For the Haters
September 14, 2012 at 10:55PM View BBCode
With an RBI single against the Red Sox in last night's game Derek Jeter tied Willie Mays for 11th on baseball's all time hit list.At age 38 Jeter is hitting .323 with an OPS over .800 and leads the major league in hits.
It would seem at this point that Jeter will probably end up, at worst, 6th on the All time list and has a reasonable chance at ending up 5th behind only Rose, Cobb, Aaron and Musial. Last night, having a nightcap after a reception I attended, I was pointedly informed by two baseball "fans" that Jeter was " a marginal Hall of Fame candidate, at best".
Haters gonna Hate .
dirtdevil
September 14, 2012 at 11:24PM View BBCode
I can't stand jeter, myself. More to the point, I can't stand the Yankees fan worship of jeter. I think he's been terribly overrated for much of his career. Which is kind of weird when you think about it, because there's absolutely no question he's a first ballot hofer.
folifan19
September 19, 2012 at 05:21PM View BBCode
I don't understand why people say he's overrated. Perhaps as a fielder, but as an offensive player and a leader, especially in the post season, not so overrated. He plays hard, leads well, and gets timely hits. He was a great player on great teams when the Yanks were winning a handful of World Series. HOFer for sure, overrated, maybe, but not a lot.
Zombies
September 19, 2012 at 05:25PM View BBCode
I would love to see him stick around long enough to break the all time hits record and I'm not even a Yankees fan...Jeter is all class...I doubt he can play that long but it would be nice to see...
folifan19
To DK, I'm sorry I bet on baseball
Pete Rose
That would be the awesomes
September 19, 2012 at 06:10PM View BBCode
Would Pete Rose autograph him if he beat his record?To DK, I'm sorry I bet on baseball
Pete Rose
That would be the awesomes
paulcaraccio
September 19, 2012 at 08:36PM View BBCode
why does baseball-reference say Jeter is 11th, but espn and them say 10th? i think its cuz of the discrepancy on Cap Anson's total...why dont they straighten it out
dirtdevil
I don't understand why people say he's overrated. Perhaps as a fielder, but as an offensive player and a leader, especially in the post season, not so overrated. He plays hard, leads well, and gets timely hits. He was a great player on great teams when the Yanks were winning a handful of World Series. HOFer for sure, overrated, maybe, but not a lot. [/quote]
jeter, for the bulk of his career, was an above average SS playing on a great team. he had occasional swings into (regular season) greatness and occasional swings into mediocrity. he has generally handled himself with class and has a great reputation as a leader. his postseason reputation is kind of overblown (his career regular season and career postseason numbers are nearly identical) although he did make maybe the most heads-up play i have ever seen to throw giambi out at home.
but had he had the same career in, say, kansas city, he would have been far less likely to have been viewed as the second coming of christ. he is a first ballot hall of famer and the best shortstop the yankees have ever had (although that's not saying a whole lot) but with the possible exception of '99 and '06 he was never nearly as good as yankees fans and the new york hype-machine made him out to be. he is maybe the only guy i have extrememly disliked as a player where i can honestly say it's not really because of him.
September 19, 2012 at 09:12PM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by folifan19[/i]
I don't understand why people say he's overrated. Perhaps as a fielder, but as an offensive player and a leader, especially in the post season, not so overrated. He plays hard, leads well, and gets timely hits. He was a great player on great teams when the Yanks were winning a handful of World Series. HOFer for sure, overrated, maybe, but not a lot. [/quote]
jeter, for the bulk of his career, was an above average SS playing on a great team. he had occasional swings into (regular season) greatness and occasional swings into mediocrity. he has generally handled himself with class and has a great reputation as a leader. his postseason reputation is kind of overblown (his career regular season and career postseason numbers are nearly identical) although he did make maybe the most heads-up play i have ever seen to throw giambi out at home.
but had he had the same career in, say, kansas city, he would have been far less likely to have been viewed as the second coming of christ. he is a first ballot hall of famer and the best shortstop the yankees have ever had (although that's not saying a whole lot) but with the possible exception of '99 and '06 he was never nearly as good as yankees fans and the new york hype-machine made him out to be. he is maybe the only guy i have extrememly disliked as a player where i can honestly say it's not really because of him.
tm4559
September 19, 2012 at 09:23PM View BBCode
he is a fine example of an older hitter that can still hit. the key to him is, he knows when he gets his pitch, he better go after it. he take a walk if they nibble. if they throw his pitch though, he isn't waiting around for another one. you have to admire that.
tm4559
September 19, 2012 at 09:46PM View BBCode
(but yeah, Pete Rose will totally autograph him and sell him for whatever he can get.)
paulcaraccio
"above average SS", while technically true, isn't strong enough. For 15-plus years he's been one of the best, i dunno, 2-4 SS in the league? With 30 teams, 14th qualifies as above average. Jeter has been consistently among the elite when it comes to shortstops.
Putting up nearly identical numbers in the postseason as the regular season is certainly impressive, considering the greater pitching quality and additional pitching changes in postseason games.
as for not liking him because he's on the Yankees, can't argue against that, that's just an opinion from the haters, and this thread was created for you. I wouldn't want 30 Kansas Citys in the league, but a lot of people seem to.
[Edited on 9-19-2012 by paulcaraccio]
September 19, 2012 at 10:10PM View BBCode
mediocrity is a little harsh...maybe a couple years ago when he hit .270, but even if you count that, I don't think one occasion counts as "occasional"."above average SS", while technically true, isn't strong enough. For 15-plus years he's been one of the best, i dunno, 2-4 SS in the league? With 30 teams, 14th qualifies as above average. Jeter has been consistently among the elite when it comes to shortstops.
Putting up nearly identical numbers in the postseason as the regular season is certainly impressive, considering the greater pitching quality and additional pitching changes in postseason games.
as for not liking him because he's on the Yankees, can't argue against that, that's just an opinion from the haters, and this thread was created for you. I wouldn't want 30 Kansas Citys in the league, but a lot of people seem to.
[Edited on 9-19-2012 by paulcaraccio]
tworoosters
Yes it's the Anson thing, ESPN etc. don't consider the National Association as a major league so Anson's stats from 1871-75 aren't counted.
MLB doesn't credit the National Association either so I guess technical Jeter is now 10th all time not 11th.
September 19, 2012 at 11:28PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
why does baseball-reference say Jeter is 11th, but espn and them say 10th? i think its cuz of the discrepancy on Cap Anson's total...why dont they straighten it out
Yes it's the Anson thing, ESPN etc. don't consider the National Association as a major league so Anson's stats from 1871-75 aren't counted.
MLB doesn't credit the National Association either so I guess technical Jeter is now 10th all time not 11th.
dirtdevil
it's not because he's on the yankees. there are lots of guys who are and have been on the yankees that i don't have any dislike for. and as i said with jeter it's not him, per se, it's the overblown hype-ola that was built around him, through no real fault of his own. he's a very good player who has been on on some great teams. that doesn't make him god. he's the best shortstop the yankees have ever had. but he's not in their top 5. he's probably in their top 10. is he one of the best 10 SS ever? maybe. maybe not. i haven't looked at that list either.
as to wanting 30 kansas city's, i don't think i've ever said anything of the sort, so maybe you could not put words in my mouth like that.
September 20, 2012 at 01:50AM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
as for not liking him because he's on the Yankees, can't argue against that, that's just an opinion from the haters, and this thread was created for you.
it's not because he's on the yankees. there are lots of guys who are and have been on the yankees that i don't have any dislike for. and as i said with jeter it's not him, per se, it's the overblown hype-ola that was built around him, through no real fault of his own. he's a very good player who has been on on some great teams. that doesn't make him god. he's the best shortstop the yankees have ever had. but he's not in their top 5. he's probably in their top 10. is he one of the best 10 SS ever? maybe. maybe not. i haven't looked at that list either.
as to wanting 30 kansas city's, i don't think i've ever said anything of the sort, so maybe you could not put words in my mouth like that.
paulcaraccio
The reason you stated for extremely disliking him is because he plays for a successful team in a city with a "hype-machine" and lots of fans and media. In simpler terms, because he's on the Yankees. Kansas City was your example of a team you would prefer a player like him to be on, so you could like him. I interpreted that to mean you would like it if all teams were like Kansas City and no teams were like the Yankees.
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by paulcaraccio]
September 20, 2012 at 04:59AM View BBCode
lol...The reason you stated for extremely disliking him is because he plays for a successful team in a city with a "hype-machine" and lots of fans and media. In simpler terms, because he's on the Yankees. Kansas City was your example of a team you would prefer a player like him to be on, so you could like him. I interpreted that to mean you would like it if all teams were like Kansas City and no teams were like the Yankees.
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by paulcaraccio]
dirtdevil
yeah, that's not what was said at all. not even close, actually. so lol right back at you, i guess.
September 20, 2012 at 02:02PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
lol...
The reason you stated for extremely disliking him is because he plays for a successful team in a city with a "hype-machine" and lots of fans and media. In simpler terms, because he's on the Yankees. Kansas City was your example of a team you would prefer a player like him to be on, so you could like him. I interpreted that to mean you would like it if all teams were like Kansas City and no teams were like the Yankees.
yeah, that's not what was said at all. not even close, actually. so lol right back at you, i guess.
tm4559
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
September 20, 2012 at 02:51PM View BBCode
if there were fifteen missiouris and fifteen kansases, wouldn't there be 30 kansas cities? we could keep those 30 states, plus all the states where the SEC schools are, California of course, give New Mexico and Wyoming to Mexico (we could insist they take Utah in the deal, but we wouldn't want to push it, it could be a near thing), give Washington and Michigan to Canada (and insist they take on Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana and maybe Wisconisn, perhaps even South Dakota and Nebraska). We incorportate the parts of Louisiana and Florida with the good football schools into the respective adjoining states and give what's left of Louisiana to France and whatever is left of Florida to Haiiti. why can't this not work?[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
tworoosters
We'll take the Dakotas, Minnesota, Montana and Idaho for sure and I'm good with Wisconsin but Michigan is a bit of a problem and I draw the line at the Nebraska thing though, no way we want Cornhuskers .
September 20, 2012 at 04:12PM View BBCode
What about Oregon, can we (Canada) have that as well, and Maine we want Maine for the seafood .We'll take the Dakotas, Minnesota, Montana and Idaho for sure and I'm good with Wisconsin but Michigan is a bit of a problem and I draw the line at the Nebraska thing though, no way we want Cornhuskers .
jjmarsh17
Still mad at my wife for throwing it out.
I have much more hatred for the hype machine when it spits things out at me like Tebow. Jeter has had hof career he is ok in my book.
September 20, 2012 at 04:48PM View BBCode
I owned a 'jeter sits when he pees tshirt'Still mad at my wife for throwing it out.
I have much more hatred for the hype machine when it spits things out at me like Tebow. Jeter has had hof career he is ok in my book.
paulcaraccio
September 20, 2012 at 05:37PM View BBCode
there was plenty of hype about tebow before he came to jersey...cant blame NY media for that one.
tm4559
i knew there was going to be some back and forth. yes, to get rid of the dakotas, we will gladly throw in maine and oregon and eat the bad money on michigan (and nebraska, edited for nebraska) ourselves. since you were so nice, we will take on the salary for P.E.I. next season only. good luck.
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
September 20, 2012 at 06:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
What about Oregon, can we (Canada) have that as well, and Maine we want Maine for the seafood .
We'll take the Dakotas, Minnesota, Montana and Idaho for sure and I'm good with Wisconsin but Michigan is a bit of a problem and I draw the line at the Nebraska thing though, no way we want Cornhuskers .
i knew there was going to be some back and forth. yes, to get rid of the dakotas, we will gladly throw in maine and oregon and eat the bad money on michigan (and nebraska, edited for nebraska) ourselves. since you were so nice, we will take on the salary for P.E.I. next season only. good luck.
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
bobcat73
There is no way we give up the Badgers, Brewers and Packers. I would slap your cat for suggesting such a thing.
September 20, 2012 at 06:03PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
if there were fifteen missiouris and fifteen kansases, wouldn't there be 30 kansas cities? we could keep those 30 states, plus all the states where the SEC schools are, California of course, give New Mexico and Wyoming to Mexico (we could insist they take Utah in the deal, but we wouldn't want to push it, it could be a near thing), give Washington and Michigan to Canada (and insist they take on Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana and maybe Wisconisn, perhaps even South Dakota and Nebraska). We incorportate the parts of Louisiana and Florida with the good football schools into the respective adjoining states and give what's left of Louisiana to France and whatever is left of Florida to Haiiti. why can't this not work?
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
There is no way we give up the Badgers, Brewers and Packers. I would slap your cat for suggesting such a thing.
tm4559
did you ever look at the back of the state quarters. i mean, wow. some states have got some really awesome stuff back there. even wyoming, which is, like, it shouldn't even be called a state and would scarcely qualify as a territory in Canada, has a cowboy on the back riding a wild bronco.
then we come to Wisconsin. there is a cow on the back of it. and a hunk of tasteless cheese. and some other stuff even more thrilling, i think an ear of corn. Wisconsin. the scandanavians went there, and said, "Wow. this place is awful. We'll take Minnesota. Yah."
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
September 20, 2012 at 06:07PM View BBCode
wow. who asked you?did you ever look at the back of the state quarters. i mean, wow. some states have got some really awesome stuff back there. even wyoming, which is, like, it shouldn't even be called a state and would scarcely qualify as a territory in Canada, has a cowboy on the back riding a wild bronco.
then we come to Wisconsin. there is a cow on the back of it. and a hunk of tasteless cheese. and some other stuff even more thrilling, i think an ear of corn. Wisconsin. the scandanavians went there, and said, "Wow. this place is awful. We'll take Minnesota. Yah."
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
folifan19
September 20, 2012 at 06:13PM View BBCode
Here in Columbus, the Bucky's are almost as bad as Michigan, and no one likes the Brewers. The Packers are on the verge of becoming insufferable. Take Wisconsin, PLEASE!
tm4559
[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
September 20, 2012 at 06:25PM View BBCode
yeah, its a done deal. Wisconsin is in Canada's column. to really make it bad for them, maybe the Braves will move back there. then they can send the Brewers back to Seattle, and rejoin the American League. The Mariners can move to Atlanta (and join the National League). i have faith, Canada can straighten this stuff out.[Edited on 9-20-2012 by tm4559]
folifan19
September 20, 2012 at 06:40PM View BBCode
Not sure what is funnier, cows and tasteless cheese on the Wisc quarter, or Canadians getting something straightened out.
tm4559
September 20, 2012 at 06:52PM View BBCode
Canada is vastly underrated when it comes to straightening stuff out. they big WARP, it just don't get no play in the press, that's all.