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eragon
Jack Morris For The Hall of Fame?
December 26, 2013 at 03:06AM View BBCode
Do you think [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrija02.shtml]Jack Morris[/url] should be inducted to the Baseball Hall of Fame?
tworoosters
December 26, 2013 at 05:36AM View BBCode
Excellent pitcher and tough as nails but not a Hall of Famer in my opinion.
chrisandlainey
If you take his numbers and protract them out as though he would average if he played 3-4 more years, he gets in as a compiler. Or if he had 1 or 2 more dominating seasons, he'd be in.
December 31, 2013 at 01:33AM View BBCode
No. Very good and great in some big moments, but he wouldn't get my vote. No magic numbers (300 wins, 3000 k, etc), slightly better than average era vs. the league average, never finished higher than third in cy young voting. He's stuck in that middle ground of not having the numbers to be a compiler candidate and never having those 4-5 seasons of absolute domination.If you take his numbers and protract them out as though he would average if he played 3-4 more years, he gets in as a compiler. Or if he had 1 or 2 more dominating seasons, he'd be in.
dirtdevil
December 31, 2013 at 04:17AM View BBCode
no. I like jack morris and the game he threw for the twins in '91 was epic. but that doesn't make you a hall of famer.
tm4559
you got real quality on the ballot this year though. the voters will obviously go with Maddux (who derserves it) and Glavine (who doesn't) on the first ballot, and hopefully (and almost certainly) they will balance that by also going with Thomas (wow, what a hitter). they have a chance to redeem themselves for past transgressions by going with Raines or Bagwell (both deserving) but will blow it and put in, no doubt, Walking Counting Stats Craig Biggio, who was a batboy compared to Bagwell (serioulsy, Larry Walker could play four days a week and do more than Biggio could do all week with a doubleheader on Sunday.)
January 02, 2014 at 03:58PM View BBCode
wow, we should talk about folks on the ballot that actually get hosed. Morris is a testament to pitchercentric thinking in that he gets over 65 percent or whatever, and tim raines gets 52%, and for christ sake, Edgar Martinez gets 36% and is one of the greatest hitters that ever picked up a bat. Fatass Curt Shilling gets 38.8% and Edgar gets 36%? that is a world gone crazy.you got real quality on the ballot this year though. the voters will obviously go with Maddux (who derserves it) and Glavine (who doesn't) on the first ballot, and hopefully (and almost certainly) they will balance that by also going with Thomas (wow, what a hitter). they have a chance to redeem themselves for past transgressions by going with Raines or Bagwell (both deserving) but will blow it and put in, no doubt, Walking Counting Stats Craig Biggio, who was a batboy compared to Bagwell (serioulsy, Larry Walker could play four days a week and do more than Biggio could do all week with a doubleheader on Sunday.)
tworoosters
Morris, whip 1.296, ERA+ 105 (higher is better), wins 254, Ks 2478, 3 rings
other guy whip 1.266, ERA+ 1.08, wins 239, Ks 2201, 2 rings
The numbers aren't that different yet Morris gets 385 votes and the other guy, David Wells, gets 5 .
January 02, 2014 at 04:14PM View BBCode
Here's the thing with Morris, he won 254 games, and some really big ones, but compare his numbers to another guy on last years ballot.Morris, whip 1.296, ERA+ 105 (higher is better), wins 254, Ks 2478, 3 rings
other guy whip 1.266, ERA+ 1.08, wins 239, Ks 2201, 2 rings
The numbers aren't that different yet Morris gets 385 votes and the other guy, David Wells, gets 5 .
tm4559
January 02, 2014 at 04:18PM View BBCode
lol. boomer was a sight, wasn't he? he was a great pitcher though.
eragon
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January 03, 2014 at 03:49AM View BBCode
Trivia question on the greatness of Frank Thomas. Who are the only players to match the career slash lines of .301 / .419 / .555 that Thomas put up? No checking Google or Baseball Reference :)[Edited on 1-3-2014 by eragon]
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Hamilton2
January 03, 2014 at 04:06AM View BBCode
Ruth and Bonds. I think.Originally posted by eragon
Trivia question on the greatness of Frank Thomas. Who are the only players to match the career slash lines of .301 / .419 / .555 that Thomas put up? No checking Google or Baseball Reference :)
[Edited on 1-3-2014 by eragon]
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Hamilton2
January 03, 2014 at 04:09AM View BBCode
You know what, I thought that you were asking about his single season numbers of .353/.487/.729. And there are a half dozen who have had single seasons that good. I think that there are 20 or so "comparable" to his career slash lines.
eragon
January 05, 2014 at 04:34AM View BBCode
Six players matched his career numbers. 20 may be comparable, but not as good in one or more categories.
dirtdevil
January 05, 2014 at 05:02AM View BBCode
that's an interesting question. 6 names without cheating? ruth, bonds, Williams, mantle, mays, Hornsby?
tm4559
January 06, 2014 at 02:41PM View BBCode
i did cheat to confirm it, but no, bonds did not make it on batting average.
tm4559
January 06, 2014 at 02:48PM View BBCode
((i didn't check the others on your list, but you did leave out the Great Biscuit Pants.))
eragon
Neither does the Mick.
January 08, 2014 at 04:22AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
i did cheat to confirm it, but no, bonds did not make it on batting average.
Neither does the Mick.
tm4559
January 08, 2014 at 02:00PM View BBCode
i did not have to cheat to know mays never carried that obp.
dirtdevil
cobb, gherig, musial?
(I did cheat to confirm that ruth, Williams and Hornsby are correct)
January 08, 2014 at 03:28PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
that's an interesting question. 6 names without cheating? ruth,bonds, Williams,mantle,mays, Hornsby?
cobb, gherig, musial?
(I did cheat to confirm that ruth, Williams and Hornsby are correct)
dirtdevil
so maybe foxx and I'm drawing a blank on the 6th.
January 08, 2014 at 03:31PM View BBCode
and cobb fails on slg and musial on obp (by two points)so maybe foxx and I'm drawing a blank on the 6th.
dirtdevil
January 08, 2014 at 03:36PM View BBCode
foxx is correct, so we've got ruth, Williams, Hornsby, gherig, foxx and ??
tm4559
in reference to earlier stuff in this post, the voters, according to a story i read, are well on the way to going with glavine and biggio, both understandable, but, both undeserving this season. glavine is understandable, but is underserving of a first time selection. biggio is just plain undeserving, but of course will be enshrined, acuz dumb 3000 hits.
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January 08, 2014 at 03:40PM View BBCode
it is one hell of a question. i assume it has to be a retired player.in reference to earlier stuff in this post, the voters, according to a story i read, are well on the way to going with glavine and biggio, both understandable, but, both undeserving this season. glavine is understandable, but is underserving of a first time selection. biggio is just plain undeserving, but of course will be enshrined, acuz dumb 3000 hits.
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tm4559
January 08, 2014 at 03:42PM View BBCode
(and if they don't put Frank Thomas in on the first go round, they all need killing.)
eragon
Ha, there are only 5 players. Not sure why I wrote 6 earlier, that's my bad. Good work on getting all five!! Pretty amazing that Thomas matched those guys. I mean those 5 are pretty much baseball royalty.
January 08, 2014 at 04:48PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
foxx is correct, so we've got ruth, Williams, Hornsby, gherig, foxx and ??
Ha, there are only 5 players. Not sure why I wrote 6 earlier, that's my bad. Good work on getting all five!! Pretty amazing that Thomas matched those guys. I mean those 5 are pretty much baseball royalty.
dirtdevil
January 08, 2014 at 08:11PM View BBCode
and maddux, Glavine and Thomas get in. biggio just misses and morris drops of the ballot. probably the stupid veteran's committee puts him in anyway later. for some reason 2.8% of ballots did not name maddux.
tm4559
January 08, 2014 at 08:18PM View formatted
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somebody has to do it. there have only been like one or two players that ever got 100%. i think rooster knows who they are, i forget.
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