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redcped
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=21052]Pat Martino, Mickey Mantle League[/url]
At one point, Martino was considered the best pitcher in any league in SD history. The MML had a lot of excellent pitchers in its first two decades, but Martino topped them all. We have no CYA history or All-Star history that's easy to track, but clearly he won a lot.
451 wins (95 more than anyone else)
12 straight seasons with 22+ wins
7 seasons under 2.00 ERA
31-4 in 35 starts in OS37 year (only guy to win 30 games in a season still)
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3367917]Andy Bomback, Tony Conigliaro League[/url]
We still speak in reverential tones about Bomback. He won 12 straight CYA and 13 in all. His 419 wins are 84 more than anyone else in league history. His 2.50 ERA is a quarter-run better than anyone else who's retired (active guy is at 2.56 but hasn't hit decline yet ...)
Bomback's consecutive 29-3 seasons remain unmatched. We had a guy win 28 this past season, which got me on this train of thought.
He was also money in the playoffs, with a league-best 24 wins to go with a 2.66 ERA.
So, there you go. Feel free to share your legends of the mythical SD mounds.
[Edited on 7-23-2014 by redcped]
Best pitcher in your league's history
July 23, 2014 at 03:36PM View BBCode
I got nostalgic this morning in reviewing the careers of the best pitchers in my leagues' histories. So I thought I'd start a thread. I am sure there are edit leagues and some freaky things out there that might hijack the thread (if it even takes off), but I'm sticking with guys who were just awesome without any crazy settings or rules.[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=21052]Pat Martino, Mickey Mantle League[/url]
At one point, Martino was considered the best pitcher in any league in SD history. The MML had a lot of excellent pitchers in its first two decades, but Martino topped them all. We have no CYA history or All-Star history that's easy to track, but clearly he won a lot.
451 wins (95 more than anyone else)
12 straight seasons with 22+ wins
7 seasons under 2.00 ERA
31-4 in 35 starts in OS37 year (only guy to win 30 games in a season still)
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3367917]Andy Bomback, Tony Conigliaro League[/url]
We still speak in reverential tones about Bomback. He won 12 straight CYA and 13 in all. His 419 wins are 84 more than anyone else in league history. His 2.50 ERA is a quarter-run better than anyone else who's retired (active guy is at 2.56 but hasn't hit decline yet ...)
Bomback's consecutive 29-3 seasons remain unmatched. We had a guy win 28 this past season, which got me on this train of thought.
He was also money in the playoffs, with a league-best 24 wins to go with a 2.66 ERA.
So, there you go. Feel free to share your legends of the mythical SD mounds.
[Edited on 7-23-2014 by redcped]
redcped
Here's two, though:
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=20645]Joe Snyder[/url]: 1.83 ERA, 248-77, 0.89 WHIP.
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=20772]Willie Drysdale[/url]: 257-78, 1.96 ERA, 0.96 WHIP. Wasn't used to maximum for a few years and missed out on a lot of wins. But that 1954 season he had for me (1.14 ERA, 0.73 WHIP) was a thing of beauty. He had a 58-inning scoreless streak in there, too.
July 23, 2014 at 03:44PM View BBCode
I feel compelled to point out that the MML had guys who were actually better but couldn't put together the career Martino did. Part of that was starting 1950 at a later age, I'm sure.Here's two, though:
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=20645]Joe Snyder[/url]: 1.83 ERA, 248-77, 0.89 WHIP.
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=20772]Willie Drysdale[/url]: 257-78, 1.96 ERA, 0.96 WHIP. Wasn't used to maximum for a few years and missed out on a lot of wins. But that 1954 season he had for me (1.14 ERA, 0.73 WHIP) was a thing of beauty. He had a 58-inning scoreless streak in there, too.
paulcaraccio
12 in a row is bananas...
July 23, 2014 at 09:16PM View BBCode
in my other leagues, I've never seen anyone anywhere remotely close to Martino. Once I tried deciphering how many CYs he won, but I don't have it or really remember, I think it was like 7 or 9.12 in a row is bananas...
LTJaeger
Great pitchers, indeed.
July 27, 2014 at 05:27PM View BBCode
What the H was going on in Philadelphia in 1958, 1959 and 1960? I see Drysdale going 18-5 with a 1.60 E.R.A, followed by a 14-1 with 1.56, but he only started 19 and 15 games? Give that boy the 60 starts he missed, and he makes a run at 300 wins.Great pitchers, indeed.
LTJaeger
Great pitchers, indeed.
July 27, 2014 at 05:27PM View BBCode
What the H was going on in Philadelphia in 1958, 1959 and 1960? I see Drysdale going 18-5 with a 1.60 E.R.A, followed by a 14-1 with 1.56, but he only started 19 and 15 games? Give that boy the 60 starts he missed, and he makes a run at 300 wins.Great pitchers, indeed.
paulcaraccio
July 27, 2014 at 10:24PM View BBCode
that's one of the earliest pay leagues, i wasn't in it then of course, but from what i've heard (mostly from redcped) is that PHI at that time was stupidly dominant, they would sort of loan their young guys out to other teams to get ICs (even major leaguers, not just CP trades), they must have been doing some shenaniganish things with their pitching too...the sim landscape was the wild west back then, haha.
redcped
This is very true. He was good enough to win while still doing very odd things. He let young pitchers get innings instead of Drysdale and other guys. He also rented out lineup spots, so there would be a C+ catcher leading off with a bunch of studs behind him. It wasn't real baseball at all, but at the time the rules got adjusted in reaction to strange strategies that people didn't like. So eventually player rentals stopped.
I think wild west is a pretty good description. We were figuring out the loopholes as we went along.
July 27, 2014 at 10:47PM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
that's one of the earliest pay leagues, i wasn't in it then of course, but from what i've heard (mostly from redcped) is that PHI at that time was stupidly dominant, they would sort of loan their young guys out to other teams to get ICs (even major leaguers, not just CP trades), they must have been doing some shenaniganish things with their pitching too...the sim landscape was the wild west back then, haha.
This is very true. He was good enough to win while still doing very odd things. He let young pitchers get innings instead of Drysdale and other guys. He also rented out lineup spots, so there would be a C+ catcher leading off with a bunch of studs behind him. It wasn't real baseball at all, but at the time the rules got adjusted in reaction to strange strategies that people didn't like. So eventually player rentals stopped.
I think wild west is a pretty good description. We were figuring out the loopholes as we went along.
tworoosters
Remember pitchers appearing in 140+ games without ever getting hurt or catchers catching 160 games and that six months or so when we could run a 4 man rotation and then some people started complaining so Admin took it away ?
July 27, 2014 at 11:44PM View BBCode
The early days were big fun if you didn't mind a total lack of realism.Remember pitchers appearing in 140+ games without ever getting hurt or catchers catching 160 games and that six months or so when we could run a 4 man rotation and then some people started complaining so Admin took it away ?
redcped
This catcher almost never missed a game for me:
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=150934
July 28, 2014 at 03:08AM View BBCode
Oh yeah, it was wild and wooly.This catcher almost never missed a game for me:
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=150934
tworoosters
The ASL was my first pay league, and while I suffered for my innocence it taught me a lot .
July 28, 2014 at 04:57PM View BBCode
My favourite pitcher manipulation of all time, Brian Lucy was one of the great masters of "gaming the game" and what he did with [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=1668539]Bo Baracus[/url] back in the old days, particularly his spectacular 1961 season, was simply amazing.The ASL was my first pay league, and while I suffered for my innocence it taught me a lot .
redcped
July 28, 2014 at 05:12PM View formatted
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That's some impressive manipulating there. Never had the likes of that in one of my leagues. Mostly crazy RP use, like two guys getting about 500 innings between them or someone appearing in 150 games or so.
skierdude44
Ha, I remember Bomback tormenting me a few times when you traded for him and I owned the PIT franchise. He certainly was one of the best I've seen.
The best pitcher I ever had was [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=1050792]Bill Glockson[/url] in the RSL. IIRC correctly he was an A- overall 19 year old in the initial draft and I was fortunate to have the first pick. Plugged him in to the top of my rotation from day one and he just rolled on from there.
July 28, 2014 at 05:34PM View BBCode
Originally posted by redcped
I got nostalgic this morning in reviewing the careers of the best pitchers in my leagues' histories. So I thought I'd start a thread. I am sure there are edit leagues and some freaky things out there that might hijack the thread (if it even takes off), but I'm sticking with guys who were just awesome without any crazy settings or rules.
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=21052]Pat Martino, Mickey Mantle League[/url]
At one point, Martino was considered the best pitcher in any league in SD history. The MML had a lot of excellent pitchers in its first two decades, but Martino topped them all. We have no CYA history or All-Star history that's easy to track, but clearly he won a lot.
451 wins (95 more than anyone else)
12 straight seasons with 22+ wins
7 seasons under 2.00 ERA
31-4 in 35 starts in OS37 year (only guy to win 30 games in a season still)
[url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=3367917]Andy Bomback, Tony Conigliaro League[/url]
We still speak in reverential tones about Bomback. He won 12 straight CYA and 13 in all. His 419 wins are 84 more than anyone else in league history. His 2.50 ERA is a quarter-run better than anyone else who's retired (active guy is at 2.56 but hasn't hit decline yet ...)
Bomback's consecutive 29-3 seasons remain unmatched. We had a guy win 28 this past season, which got me on this train of thought.
He was also money in the playoffs, with a league-best 24 wins to go with a 2.66 ERA.
So, there you go. Feel free to share your legends of the mythical SD mounds.
[Edited on 7-23-2014 by redcped]
Ha, I remember Bomback tormenting me a few times when you traded for him and I owned the PIT franchise. He certainly was one of the best I've seen.
The best pitcher I ever had was [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=1050792]Bill Glockson[/url] in the RSL. IIRC correctly he was an A- overall 19 year old in the initial draft and I was fortunate to have the first pick. Plugged him in to the top of my rotation from day one and he just rolled on from there.
thatrogue
2. What in the world possessed the new owner to rename such an awesome pitcher: Jeff Suppan??????? :o :puzzled: :rolleyes:
July 28, 2014 at 06:50PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters1. Baracus lost 28 games during the 1961 season, and carried a WHIP & ERA higher than during those other seasons of sustained excellence. Would those additional innings pitched have been better used by other pitchers, enabling Baracus to perform at peak level during more of its appearances?
My favourite pitcher manipulation of all time, Brian Lucy was one of the great masters of "gaming the game" and what he did with [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=1668539]Bo Baracus[/url] back in the old days, particularly his spectacular 1961 season, was simply amazing.
The ASL was my first pay league, and while I suffered for my innocence it taught me a lot .
2. What in the world possessed the new owner to rename such an awesome pitcher: Jeff Suppan??????? :o :puzzled: :rolleyes:
tworoosters
The renaming thing was, of course, before Admin finally changed the rules to stop former All Stars from getting new names, in the same league the guy that took over my team renamed my [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=2086225]best reliever ever[/url] after a guy who pitched less than 300 innings in his career.
July 28, 2014 at 07:56PM View BBCode
It was purely an experiment by Brian, the ASL was kind of his petri dish, and the National league was basically a two team league at the time so he was going to make the playoffs regardless.The renaming thing was, of course, before Admin finally changed the rules to stop former All Stars from getting new names, in the same league the guy that took over my team renamed my [url=http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?player=nobody&mode=stats&id=2086225]best reliever ever[/url] after a guy who pitched less than 300 innings in his career.
thatrogue
July 29, 2014 at 09:04PM View BBCode
Yeah...I'm glad Admin made that change. In my first Dynasty League, I remember naively renaming players that already had a long history. But I've never named a high performing player after a somewhat mediocre major leaguer.Pages: 1