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Frunobulax
it seems that a lot of teams can't be sold. Having rebuilt a few really bad teams (and still rebuilding others), I can confirm that it is no fun to take over a team which is completely depleted of talent, since it takes over 10 seasons to get back into competition.
I'd suggest the following:
(1) Instead of dropping the price (or handing over a team to the bot), why not award something that makes the rebuild easier - say compensatory picks at the end of the 1st round of the draft, or a bunch of randomly created players (like they are available for an initial draft)? Obviously we would need some formula to determine which teams get which compensation, but this could be done by a simple evaluation of the players on the roster - something like this: A "quality player" is a player that is at least A- and not in decline, or B+ at OS24 or younger, or B at OS22 and so on. If a team has less than 14 quality starters, it gets a compensation.
(2) Go to the source. Some teams get run down by the owner who trade away every talent and draft pick in order to make a championship. Once the team is done they quit. Why not add the prestige of the team under the new owner to the previous owner as well, for some years?
Regards, F.
Finding owners for bad teams
April 07, 2015 at 05:39PM View BBCode
Hi,it seems that a lot of teams can't be sold. Having rebuilt a few really bad teams (and still rebuilding others), I can confirm that it is no fun to take over a team which is completely depleted of talent, since it takes over 10 seasons to get back into competition.
I'd suggest the following:
(1) Instead of dropping the price (or handing over a team to the bot), why not award something that makes the rebuild easier - say compensatory picks at the end of the 1st round of the draft, or a bunch of randomly created players (like they are available for an initial draft)? Obviously we would need some formula to determine which teams get which compensation, but this could be done by a simple evaluation of the players on the roster - something like this: A "quality player" is a player that is at least A- and not in decline, or B+ at OS24 or younger, or B at OS22 and so on. If a team has less than 14 quality starters, it gets a compensation.
(2) Go to the source. Some teams get run down by the owner who trade away every talent and draft pick in order to make a championship. Once the team is done they quit. Why not add the prestige of the team under the new owner to the previous owner as well, for some years?
Regards, F.
dirtdevil
April 07, 2015 at 05:44PM View BBCode
the first thing has been discussed before, several times and at length. I think it's a good idea but historically it has had more resistance than support. the prestige thing I don't see as being any kind of 'stick' motivation. those guys don't care about there cards enough to stay, I wouldn't think.
tworoosters
April 07, 2015 at 07:02PM View BBCode
The first one is a good idea but will never get much acceptance as too many owners will object to new owners being "given something that they had to work for", as for the second one I don't know how many owners are concerned with prestige. Personally I don't look at it because the criteria are, in my opinion, badly flawed.
paulcaraccio
i don't know much about prestige, and i dont think most owners care about it, but if that kind of change was put in, people might just quit the site instead of being imprisoned in a league they don't wanna be in anymore.
but i don't think there's much of a problem selling teams right now...the speed-sale list has been under 10 for some time now, and some previously botted teams have even been sold. the dynasty-sale list is smaller than it was during the last cycle. i think the mergers are working.
April 07, 2015 at 11:36PM View formatted
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i wouldn't object to the first idea as long as it's optional. I don't buy many teams but when i do i'd rather start with the roster in awful shape. i can see why people would be anti though.
i don't know much about prestige, and i dont think most owners care about it, but if that kind of change was put in, people might just quit the site instead of being imprisoned in a league they don't wanna be in anymore.
but i don't think there's much of a problem selling teams right now...the speed-sale list has been under 10 for some time now, and some previously botted teams have even been sold. the dynasty-sale list is smaller than it was during the last cycle. i think the mergers are working.
paulcaraccio
April 07, 2015 at 11:39PM View BBCode
naturally there are 12 speed teams for sale all of a sudden...
Frunobulax
For the first, it shouldn't be the goal to get a bad team to .500, just to jumpstart the rebuilding process. There are all kinds of owners, some may even like it if a team is controlled by the bot because it makes it easier for them. Frankly, I couldn't care less.
April 08, 2015 at 08:36AM View BBCode
Originally posted by tworoosters
The first one is a good idea but will never get much acceptance as too many owners will object to new owners being "given something that they had to work for", as for the second one I don't know how many owners are concerned with prestige. Personally I don't look at it because the criteria are, in my opinion, badly flawed.
For the first, it shouldn't be the goal to get a bad team to .500, just to jumpstart the rebuilding process. There are all kinds of owners, some may even like it if a team is controlled by the bot because it makes it easier for them. Frankly, I couldn't care less.
Frunobulax
You can always sell your decent players if you're going for an all-out rebuild, that's what I was doing with most of my teams. If you don't, it's just a slow death like that: [url=http://simdynasty.com/ownerteam.jsp?teamid=85018]http://simdynasty.com/ownerteam.jsp?teamid=85018[/url]
I didn't have good players to sell, so the team gets older and weaker while I draft young guys and work them into the lineup. A bit of bad luck - I had the #1 overall pick in awful drafts, and the #2 if there was exactly one superstar SP in the draft - and you're looking at a really boring 15 seasons. I hope that I have hit the bottom after 10 years - we'll know next season...
Nah, I don't think so. It gives an incentive to leave a team in good shape owners who care about prestige, and it doesn't change anything for owners who don't.
Last time I checked there were quite a lot of bot teams. Sure, if you hand over a team to the bot if it is unsold after a month, the list will be small.
Regards, F.
April 08, 2015 at 09:06AM View BBCode
Originally posted by paulcaraccio
i wouldn't object to the first idea as long as it's optional. I don't buy many teams but when i do i'd rather start with the roster in awful shape. i can see why people would be anti though.
You can always sell your decent players if you're going for an all-out rebuild, that's what I was doing with most of my teams. If you don't, it's just a slow death like that: [url=http://simdynasty.com/ownerteam.jsp?teamid=85018]http://simdynasty.com/ownerteam.jsp?teamid=85018[/url]
I didn't have good players to sell, so the team gets older and weaker while I draft young guys and work them into the lineup. A bit of bad luck - I had the #1 overall pick in awful drafts, and the #2 if there was exactly one superstar SP in the draft - and you're looking at a really boring 15 seasons. I hope that I have hit the bottom after 10 years - we'll know next season...
i don't know much about prestige, and i dont think most owners care about it, but if that kind of change was put in, people might just quit the site instead of being imprisoned in a league they don't wanna be in anymore.
Nah, I don't think so. It gives an incentive to leave a team in good shape owners who care about prestige, and it doesn't change anything for owners who don't.
but i don't think there's much of a problem selling teams right now...the speed-sale list has been under 10 for some time now, and some previously botted teams have even been sold. the dynasty-sale list is smaller than it was during the last cycle.
Last time I checked there were quite a lot of bot teams. Sure, if you hand over a team to the bot if it is unsold after a month, the list will be small.
Regards, F.
paulcaraccio
i think people who don't care about prestige might suddenly start to take an interest in it when they see it dropping because of teams they don't even own. in those cases, i just think that'd make them mad instead of make them decide to stick it out. but then again if you don't look at prestige now, you probably wouldn't even notice. the few i can think of that do care about their owner stats care more about winning percentage and championships, so i think they'd still want to leave a bad team and take the prestige hit to preserve the win pct.
thanks for the rebuild advice, maybe i'll try that next time ;)
April 08, 2015 at 03:13PM View BBCode
some previously botted teams have been sold, some other botted teams disappeared with mergers, there are a lot fewer now than there used to be.i think people who don't care about prestige might suddenly start to take an interest in it when they see it dropping because of teams they don't even own. in those cases, i just think that'd make them mad instead of make them decide to stick it out. but then again if you don't look at prestige now, you probably wouldn't even notice. the few i can think of that do care about their owner stats care more about winning percentage and championships, so i think they'd still want to leave a bad team and take the prestige hit to preserve the win pct.
thanks for the rebuild advice, maybe i'll try that next time ;)
theduke211
I will say I was just denied entry to a league for the first time. They did not like that I rebuild my new teams. To that I say, eh its how you build a foundation to a solid contender that will have some staying power.
I prefer bad teams and working trades to rebuild with my guys. It's sort of the backbone to the system/game and watching your work come to fruition is the cherry on top. I also believe that once a proper rebuild is done it can be extended for several years with good drafting, development, and trading of picks.
Prestige matters none. I want to build from the ground up, extend that run as long as possible, and trade it off at the last second to get what little equity is left. From there I want to start over.
tldr - I don't want to buy contenders. I haven't put my stamp on them.
[Edited on 4-22-2015 by theduke211]
[Edited on 4-22-2015 by theduke211]
April 22, 2015 at 03:38PM View BBCode
I am always open to taking over new teams. There just aren't any that fit the format I want. I may be too picky.I will say I was just denied entry to a league for the first time. They did not like that I rebuild my new teams. To that I say, eh its how you build a foundation to a solid contender that will have some staying power.
I prefer bad teams and working trades to rebuild with my guys. It's sort of the backbone to the system/game and watching your work come to fruition is the cherry on top. I also believe that once a proper rebuild is done it can be extended for several years with good drafting, development, and trading of picks.
Prestige matters none. I want to build from the ground up, extend that run as long as possible, and trade it off at the last second to get what little equity is left. From there I want to start over.
tldr - I don't want to buy contenders. I haven't put my stamp on them.
[Edited on 4-22-2015 by theduke211]
[Edited on 4-22-2015 by theduke211]
INDIANSFORLIFE
of course "bad" has to be defined first
but maybe a 3 round mini draft would be cool..with undrafted players perhaps being removed from player pool after the draft rather than go to waivers.
the thing with the draft would have to be possibly scaled back in overall skill, three separate rounds based on tiers of talent..or some other option that doesnt basically give the team 3 first round quality picks
May 14, 2015 at 02:02PM View BBCode
how about a supplemental draft after the amateur one for a new owner of a bad team?of course "bad" has to be defined first
but maybe a 3 round mini draft would be cool..with undrafted players perhaps being removed from player pool after the draft rather than go to waivers.
the thing with the draft would have to be possibly scaled back in overall skill, three separate rounds based on tiers of talent..or some other option that doesnt basically give the team 3 first round quality picks
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