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dirtdevil
so what you're saying then is that 6 is, in fact, not more than 3?
(please don't misunderstand, i can't stand either franchise and don't really agree that pats fans are jealous of the steelers. but history does clearly show that the steelers have twice as many super bowls. and the opportunity to add one more this season. no matter how much you wish i was seeing "things that aren't there", those are inherent truths.)
[Edited on 1-17-2011 by dirtdevil]
January 17, 2011 at 03:39AM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Originally posted by dirtdevil
or that 6 superbowl titles is more than 3?
Didn't see that part in there. But you do tend to see things that aren't there don't you?
Originally posted by barterer2002
a team that Patriot fans....would like to pretend that they're better than and clearly that's not what history shows.
so what you're saying then is that 6 is, in fact, not more than 3?
(please don't misunderstand, i can't stand either franchise and don't really agree that pats fans are jealous of the steelers. but history does clearly show that the steelers have twice as many super bowls. and the opportunity to add one more this season. no matter how much you wish i was seeing "things that aren't there", those are inherent truths.)
[Edited on 1-17-2011 by dirtdevil]
tworoosters
Even before today this seems an odd statement, seeing as how Pittsburgh has won two Super Bowls since the last New England win .
January 17, 2011 at 04:25AM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
The Steelers franchise has been great over the years, but don't pretend that they have been better in recent years.
Even before today this seems an odd statement, seeing as how Pittsburgh has won two Super Bowls since the last New England win .
WillyD
TR, 2 super bowl wins yes, but overall not so great. I may be a little older so for me recently was 1996. I do know that head to head it's no contest. We are 2-0 vs the Steelers in Pittsburgh in AFC championship games and 3-1 overall in the playoffs. Don't tell me that those games don't grate on Steeler fans! The super bowl win vs. Seattle was such a horrible game it should be stricken from the record and wiped from existance. That was the worst playoff football game I've ever seen played.
It's too bad Brady has been a choke artist the past few years or maybe we could've had some more great games against Pitt.
January 18, 2011 at 12:32AM View BBCode
First, DD the numbers are right, but you brought it up when no one else mentioned it. Are Cowboy or 49er fans jealous of Pitt because they have slightly more wins? I doubt it. Now if you're talking about a team with 0 or just 1 win, then I may believe it if there was some proof to go with it. But to think that anyone in New England would be jealous of that franchise since Belichek arrived here is unlikely, and would only be said by some very-biased Pittsburgh honk who can't stand the fact that we beat them twice at home in those championship games.TR, 2 super bowl wins yes, but overall not so great. I may be a little older so for me recently was 1996. I do know that head to head it's no contest. We are 2-0 vs the Steelers in Pittsburgh in AFC championship games and 3-1 overall in the playoffs. Don't tell me that those games don't grate on Steeler fans! The super bowl win vs. Seattle was such a horrible game it should be stricken from the record and wiped from existance. That was the worst playoff football game I've ever seen played.
It's too bad Brady has been a choke artist the past few years or maybe we could've had some more great games against Pitt.
dirtdevil
look, i hate to be the one to point out the obvious (again), but to what do you think he's referring if not the superbowl trophies?
and if you could point out where in here
it suggests that they are, i'd appreciate it. honestly, if you're going to respond to what's said, maybe you should go ahead and read it first.
January 18, 2011 at 01:55AM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
First, DD the numbers are right, but you brought it up when no one else mentioned it.
Originally posted by barterer2002
a team that Patriot fans....would like to pretend that they're better than and clearly that's not what history shows.
look, i hate to be the one to point out the obvious (again), but to what do you think he's referring if not the superbowl trophies?
But to think that anyone in New England would be jealous of that franchise since Belichek arrived here is unlikely
and if you could point out where in here
Originally posted by dirtdevil
please don't misunderstand, i can't stand either franchise and don't really agree that pats fans are jealous of the steelers.
it suggests that they are, i'd appreciate it. honestly, if you're going to respond to what's said, maybe you should go ahead and read it first.
khazim
January 18, 2011 at 02:50AM View BBCode
Brady is 5-4 in his last 9 playoff games. Kinda mediocre.
Penguin
4-5
January 18, 2011 at 03:20AM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
Brady is 5-4 in his last 9 playoff games. Kinda mediocre.
4-5
bpearly69
January 18, 2011 at 07:02AM View BBCode
14-5 overall, not mediocre, the obvious teams that are consistently elite, The Patriots, Colts, and Steelers, they set the example for the rest of the league, it's really not too difficult to see that. Patriots have won the most super bowls since 2000 from those teams and have appeared in 4 of them and consistently have made the playoffs. Historically the steelers have a better history, but as far as the last 10 or so years, it's been the Patriots, they did have a great year but I admit to having that nervous feeling and anyone who thought they'd blow out the Jets just do not watch and follow football enough, the 45-3 win was great but the Jets are a lot better then that, they have a good defense and a good coach, if they had a real good qb then i'd believe they could actually win a superbowl, which they won't, this year's Patriot team was pretty good I think, a lot of young players but 14-2 isn't easy and they did have a tough schedule, not here but have heard in other areas they were overrated? That doesn't make sense to me, I think the Jets are just a good team and did a good job, we'll see what happens next year with the lockout but I think it was a pretty good year, especially since a lot of people picked them to maybe miss the playoffs
bpearly69
and these are the pat fans that make myself and others look bad, brady a choke artist? the year they went undefeated, they were a one sided offense, it was pass, there run game was not good, there defense was not that good, it was all offense, and when teams slowed down the pass game they were beatable,
against baltimore, defense and running game, so when a defense can zone in on one part of a team's game they are going to stop them, especially when it's a good defense like the Giants had, Baltimore, Jets, he had 64%, 89 rating, threw a few touchdowns, his one mistake was floating a screen pass a little high, that was it, they had a better running game this year, the defense struggled for most of the year, played better at the end, did they have some injuries? yeah but so does everyone, they are still a young defense, developing, I think BB is developing another great defense, and they need an elite running game, it was pretty solid this year with Ellis-Woodhead, they couldn't use it much in this game and why they killed so much clock and didn't score drove me nuts, can't complain with the run production this year, but it was great when they had corey dillon, would like to see another runner who could provide that performance
January 18, 2011 at 07:10AM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
First, DD the numbers are right, but you brought it up when no one else mentioned it. Are Cowboy or 49er fans jealous of Pitt because they have slightly more wins? I doubt it. Now if you're talking about a team with 0 or just 1 win, then I may believe it if there was some proof to go with it. But to think that anyone in New England would be jealous of that franchise since Belichek arrived here is unlikely, and would only be said by some very-biased Pittsburgh honk who can't stand the fact that we beat them twice at home in those championship games.
TR, 2 super bowl wins yes, but overall not so great. I may be a little older so for me recently was 1996. I do know that head to head it's no contest. We are 2-0 vs the Steelers in Pittsburgh in AFC championship games and 3-1 overall in the playoffs. Don't tell me that those games don't grate on Steeler fans! The super bowl win vs. Seattle was such a horrible game it should be stricken from the record and wiped from existance. That was the worst playoff football game I've ever seen played.
It's too bad Brady has been a choke artist the past few years or maybe we could've had some more great games against Pitt.
and these are the pat fans that make myself and others look bad, brady a choke artist? the year they went undefeated, they were a one sided offense, it was pass, there run game was not good, there defense was not that good, it was all offense, and when teams slowed down the pass game they were beatable,
against baltimore, defense and running game, so when a defense can zone in on one part of a team's game they are going to stop them, especially when it's a good defense like the Giants had, Baltimore, Jets, he had 64%, 89 rating, threw a few touchdowns, his one mistake was floating a screen pass a little high, that was it, they had a better running game this year, the defense struggled for most of the year, played better at the end, did they have some injuries? yeah but so does everyone, they are still a young defense, developing, I think BB is developing another great defense, and they need an elite running game, it was pretty solid this year with Ellis-Woodhead, they couldn't use it much in this game and why they killed so much clock and didn't score drove me nuts, can't complain with the run production this year, but it was great when they had corey dillon, would like to see another runner who could provide that performance
dirtdevil
jeff hoestettler and trent dilfer say hello.
i don't know of anyone who picked the pats to miss the playoffs.
January 18, 2011 at 01:31PM View BBCode
Originally posted by bpearly69
the Jets are a lot better then that, they have a good defense and a good coach, if they had a real good qb then i'd believe they could actually win a superbowl
jeff hoestettler and trent dilfer say hello.
i don't know of anyone who picked the pats to miss the playoffs.
bpearly69
January 18, 2011 at 02:05PM View BBCode
I'm just talking local media from my area, heard it a lot of the radio that the Patriots would go through a rebuild year, and have a chance of missing it because of the real young defense, but they go 14-2 and everyone forgets they aren't a fully developed team right now, then decide to bash Brady and the rest of the team, just gets kind of annoying hearing your own fans complain, especially when they are only cheering for this team due to their past success and this season's success, or as I like to call them, bandwagon fans, sure there a lot of other terms for it
WillyD
Pats fans like you that think Brady & Belichek can walk on water, are the ones that may give Pats a bad name. I think Brady is one of the best quarterbacks in the league and Belichek may be the best coach/GM the game has ever seen, but they both make mistakes and have bad games. I don't believe the bad name thing anyhow. The only reason we may have a bad name is because we've been successful. Very successful.
January 18, 2011 at 02:42PM View BBCode
Hey Pearly, how would you describe Brady's effort? He played bad. He was nervous in the pocket and took sacks he didn't need to. With the exception of a couple of big plays they don't normally give up, the defense was good enough to win. We lost because of turnovers /penalties/ and poor offensive planning/execution. I blame the coaching staff the most for not preparing them. When has this team ever played that bad after a bye week? Never. That being said, almost everyone I know here in Masachusetts agrees that Brady played badly. And it's not the first time. Remeber Denver a few years back? He's not a choke artist, as he's been successful more often than not, but has choked more than once. Not all the losses in the post-season are his fault but the Jets game and the Denver game are ones that stick out in Patriot fans' minds as games were he was a big part of the reason.Pats fans like you that think Brady & Belichek can walk on water, are the ones that may give Pats a bad name. I think Brady is one of the best quarterbacks in the league and Belichek may be the best coach/GM the game has ever seen, but they both make mistakes and have bad games. I don't believe the bad name thing anyhow. The only reason we may have a bad name is because we've been successful. Very successful.
WillyD
This laughable coming from you. You have a bad track record of not reading and not responding to tough questions when challenged.
In terms of Bart's reference, you shouldn't put words in his mouth. Even if that's what he's referring to, it doesn't matter. It is just one possible reason of many why one team could be considered better than another or why one team is jealous of another. It's really irrelevant because no one is jealous of the Steelers. I realize you may agree with this statement, but it was originally intended for Bart anyways.
January 18, 2011 at 02:49PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by WillyD
First, DD the numbers are right, but you brought it up when no one else mentioned it.
Originally posted by barterer2002
a team that Patriot fans....would like to pretend that they're better than and clearly that's not what history shows.
look, i hate to be the one to point out the obvious (again), but to what do you think he's referring if not the superbowl trophies?
But to think that anyone in New England would be jealous of that franchise since Belichek arrived here is unlikely
and if you could point out where in here
Originally posted by dirtdevil
please don't misunderstand, i can't stand either franchise and don't really agree that pats fans are jealous of the steelers.
it suggests that they are, i'd appreciate it. honestly, if you're going to respond to what's said, maybe you should go ahead and read it first.
This laughable coming from you. You have a bad track record of not reading and not responding to tough questions when challenged.
In terms of Bart's reference, you shouldn't put words in his mouth. Even if that's what he's referring to, it doesn't matter. It is just one possible reason of many why one team could be considered better than another or why one team is jealous of another. It's really irrelevant because no one is jealous of the Steelers. I realize you may agree with this statement, but it was originally intended for Bart anyways.
tm4559
please don't talk about won-lost records for quarterbacks. because it reduces the IQ of all Western Civilization to an irrepairable degree.
January 18, 2011 at 03:15PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Penguin
Originally posted by khazim
Brady is 5-4 in his last 9 playoff games. Kinda mediocre.
4-5
please don't talk about won-lost records for quarterbacks. because it reduces the IQ of all Western Civilization to an irrepairable degree.
bpearly69
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/gamelog/post/
Let's look at 01-
Neither one of those games are off the chart impressive, but at the same time he limited his mistakes and they won the superbowl with a team that had a solid run game and a really good defense.
03-
Much more impressive stats, again not many mistakes, and again, a great defense.
04-
Another very good year, he played great throughout and the defense was pretty good with a good run game.
05-
Beat the Jaguars, in which they were expected to, then lost to the Broncos, not a great game, I was hopeful they'd win, but you could see the team started to age a bit on defense.
06-
They crushed the Jets, then they should have lost to the Chargers, they did not out play them, Brady was not very good that game, stat wise, but they did take advantage of chargers mistakes. then losing to the colts, it was his fault the defense allowed 21 points in the 4th quarter:rolleyes:
07-
This is the year I would put some serious blame on Brady, himself, along with Belichek, along with the whole team was way too cocky going into the super bowl.
09- baltimore, played horrible
10- against the jets, ok, first off his rating was not bad, his completion % was 64, that's bad? His ONE turnover, was a screen pass he just floated a little high that should be credited to how well the jets played it, its not like he missed a wide open receiver and over threw him by 20 yards to another defender, STOP thinking the Patriots should have blown the Jets out of the water, the Jets had a clear advantage on defense going into the game, every game is different, it's that simple, winning 45-3 does not mean your gonna do it again, the Jets were ready, the PATRIOTS were not until it was too late, if they got one of those onside kicks, which they almost did and brady led them to a win you'd be talking how he is the greatest qb on earth, the defense did not play that great, it kept them in the game but Mark Sanchez should not throw 3 touchdowns on any defense, their LT got a pass in the flat and ran it in, then Edwards, where was the tackling? Holmes, I do like this young defense but they have some obvious holes on it.
If you have noticed this team, when they won their superbowls not only did they have a pretty good offense, they had a good defense to go along with it, the defense aged, they got old, finally this year they looked young and explosive on defense at times, but it's still developing, and still needs more players added to it, did Brady play amazing? No, but your gonna continue to put him getting sacked on him, some of them yes, but part of the reason he looked nervous, was he'd get a ton of time to throw, and everyone was covered, he had no where to go with it.
The defense kept them in it yes, but 28 points is NOT a good performance, they let the running game get the yards they needed and then couldn't make tackles on touchdown scoring plays, Sanchez is a dink and dunk passer and to let Coch break a 60 yard run after a 4 yard catch was ridiculous. it's not like he made a bunch of great moves, he caught and ran,
one last thing, yeah they had a bye week, but they had the same time to prepare for the jets that the pats had to plan for them, you see, unlike in the regular season, you don't get the full 2 weeks knowing who you are facing like you do in the regular season, the playoff bye week gives you a week to rest, but you have no idea who you are facing until the final outcome of the wildcard games, 14-2 is an amazing season and I'm happy with it, it sucks they lost and I was just as pissed as anyone but I'm not gonna go on a bashing spree trying to blame the qb and coach when those two are the main reasons they are competitive every year in between their super bowl runs, hopefully now that it looks like they have a running game, and a growing defense, next year should be a much better result, did they play great? No, but choking isn't getting outplayed by a very good team, choking is something the Chargers did in 06, or the yankees to the sox in 04, those could be considered chokes, but losing one game to a very good team i dont think is fair to call that choking
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No, I don't think they walk on water, the only playoff loses where I will fault Brady for is against Baltimore, he was awful, but they weren't exactly favored to dominate that game, the Broncos, seriously? Yes he threw two picks, but they were a wild card team against a 13-3 broncos team.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/gamelog/post/
Let's look at 01-
Neither one of those games are off the chart impressive, but at the same time he limited his mistakes and they won the superbowl with a team that had a solid run game and a really good defense.
03-
Much more impressive stats, again not many mistakes, and again, a great defense.
04-
Another very good year, he played great throughout and the defense was pretty good with a good run game.
05-
Beat the Jaguars, in which they were expected to, then lost to the Broncos, not a great game, I was hopeful they'd win, but you could see the team started to age a bit on defense.
06-
They crushed the Jets, then they should have lost to the Chargers, they did not out play them, Brady was not very good that game, stat wise, but they did take advantage of chargers mistakes. then losing to the colts, it was his fault the defense allowed 21 points in the 4th quarter:rolleyes:
07-
This is the year I would put some serious blame on Brady, himself, along with Belichek, along with the whole team was way too cocky going into the super bowl.
09- baltimore, played horrible
10- against the jets, ok, first off his rating was not bad, his completion % was 64, that's bad? His ONE turnover, was a screen pass he just floated a little high that should be credited to how well the jets played it, its not like he missed a wide open receiver and over threw him by 20 yards to another defender, STOP thinking the Patriots should have blown the Jets out of the water, the Jets had a clear advantage on defense going into the game, every game is different, it's that simple, winning 45-3 does not mean your gonna do it again, the Jets were ready, the PATRIOTS were not until it was too late, if they got one of those onside kicks, which they almost did and brady led them to a win you'd be talking how he is the greatest qb on earth, the defense did not play that great, it kept them in the game but Mark Sanchez should not throw 3 touchdowns on any defense, their LT got a pass in the flat and ran it in, then Edwards, where was the tackling? Holmes, I do like this young defense but they have some obvious holes on it.
If you have noticed this team, when they won their superbowls not only did they have a pretty good offense, they had a good defense to go along with it, the defense aged, they got old, finally this year they looked young and explosive on defense at times, but it's still developing, and still needs more players added to it, did Brady play amazing? No, but your gonna continue to put him getting sacked on him, some of them yes, but part of the reason he looked nervous, was he'd get a ton of time to throw, and everyone was covered, he had no where to go with it.
The defense kept them in it yes, but 28 points is NOT a good performance, they let the running game get the yards they needed and then couldn't make tackles on touchdown scoring plays, Sanchez is a dink and dunk passer and to let Coch break a 60 yard run after a 4 yard catch was ridiculous. it's not like he made a bunch of great moves, he caught and ran,
one last thing, yeah they had a bye week, but they had the same time to prepare for the jets that the pats had to plan for them, you see, unlike in the regular season, you don't get the full 2 weeks knowing who you are facing like you do in the regular season, the playoff bye week gives you a week to rest, but you have no idea who you are facing until the final outcome of the wildcard games, 14-2 is an amazing season and I'm happy with it, it sucks they lost and I was just as pissed as anyone but I'm not gonna go on a bashing spree trying to blame the qb and coach when those two are the main reasons they are competitive every year in between their super bowl runs, hopefully now that it looks like they have a running game, and a growing defense, next year should be a much better result, did they play great? No, but choking isn't getting outplayed by a very good team, choking is something the Chargers did in 06, or the yankees to the sox in 04, those could be considered chokes, but losing one game to a very good team i dont think is fair to call that choking
dirtdevil
i realize that this is the easy response from any fan when their team loses (we lost, therefore we played poorly) and you're probably not alone in this opinion, but i feel it really does ryan and the jets a disservice. they created and executed a masterfully original gameplan, which is why brady and his offence struggled so much. sometimes you just need to give the other team the credit they're due.
January 18, 2011 at 03:44PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
Hey Pearly, how would you describe Brady's effort? He played bad. He was nervous in the pocket and took sacks he didn't need to. With the exception of a couple of big plays they don't normally give up, the defense was good enough to win. We lost because of turnovers /penalties/ and poor offensive planning/execution. I blame the coaching staff the most for not preparing them. When has this team ever played that bad after a bye week? Never. That being said, almost everyone I know here in Masachusetts agrees that Brady played badly. And it's not the first time. Remeber Denver a few years back? He's not a choke artist, as he's been successful more often than not, but has choked more than once. Not all the losses in the post-season are his fault but the Jets game and the Denver game are ones that stick out in Patriot fans' minds as games were he was a big part of the reason.
i realize that this is the easy response from any fan when their team loses (we lost, therefore we played poorly) and you're probably not alone in this opinion, but i feel it really does ryan and the jets a disservice. they created and executed a masterfully original gameplan, which is why brady and his offence struggled so much. sometimes you just need to give the other team the credit they're due.
dirtdevil
unless peyton manning does it, of course, in which case it is.
January 18, 2011 at 03:46PM View BBCode
Originally posted by bpearly69
I'm not gonna go on a bashing spree trying to blame the qb and coach when those two are the main reasons they are competitive every year in between their super bowl runs, hopefully now that it looks like they have a running game, and a growing defense, next year should be a much better result, did they play great? No, but choking isn't getting outplayed by a very good team, choking is something the Chargers did in 06, or the yankees to the sox in 04, those could be considered chokes, but losing one game to a very good team i dont think is fair to call that choking
unless peyton manning does it, of course, in which case it is.
bpearly69
January 18, 2011 at 04:06PM View BBCode
There has been seasons in which the Colts SHOULD have won and didn't mainly because a poor mistake he had made but not his teams of late have lacked a good defense, and pretty much zero running game, I think he's a great qb, just seems like if you get him in cold weather he can't play very well, just from what I've noticed, also, I have tried to say the jets played very well, because they did, ryan is a good coach and he also has built a great defense, i believe they can beat pittsburgh, but its tough because the way they acted all week, this was their superbowl
WillyD
The Jets played their game. Congrats to them. But anyone who watches Brady week in week out realizes he was off. Some of that is a credit to the Jets for sure. We had an extra week to game plan and prepare, and it cetainly didn't show.
January 18, 2011 at 06:02PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
Originally posted by WillyD
Hey Pearly, how would you describe Brady's effort? He played bad. He was nervous in the pocket and took sacks he didn't need to. With the exception of a couple of big plays they don't normally give up, the defense was good enough to win. We lost because of turnovers /penalties/ and poor offensive planning/execution. I blame the coaching staff the most for not preparing them. When has this team ever played that bad after a bye week? Never. That being said, almost everyone I know here in Masachusetts agrees that Brady played badly. And it's not the first time. Remeber Denver a few years back? He's not a choke artist, as he's been successful more often than not, but has choked more than once. Not all the losses in the post-season are his fault but the Jets game and the Denver game are ones that stick out in Patriot fans' minds as games were he was a big part of the reason.
i realize that this is the easy response from any fan when their team loses (we lost, therefore we played poorly) and you're probably not alone in this opinion, but i feel it really does ryan and the jets a disservice. they created and executed a masterfully original gameplan, which is why brady and his offence struggled so much. sometimes you just need to give the other team the credit they're due.
The Jets played their game. Congrats to them. But anyone who watches Brady week in week out realizes he was off. Some of that is a credit to the Jets for sure. We had an extra week to game plan and prepare, and it cetainly didn't show.
dirtdevil
as i think pearly pointed out, they really didn't. during their bye week they had no idea if they would be playing the jets, chiefs or ravens. the bulk of the gameplanning wouldn't be done until they knew the opponent. i'm not suggesting that brady had a great game (he obviously didn't) but i just feel that was more a product of what the jets did rather than what he didn't.
January 18, 2011 at 06:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyD
The Jets played their game. Congrats to them. But anyone who watches Brady week in week out realizes he was off. Some of that is a credit to the Jets for sure. We had an extra week to game plan and prepare, and it cetainly didn't show.
as i think pearly pointed out, they really didn't. during their bye week they had no idea if they would be playing the jets, chiefs or ravens. the bulk of the gameplanning wouldn't be done until they knew the opponent. i'm not suggesting that brady had a great game (he obviously didn't) but i just feel that was more a product of what the jets did rather than what he didn't.
thatrogue
January 19, 2011 at 09:00AM View BBCode
Originally posted by WillyDAnd anyone who knows football understands that almost every quarterback, no matter how good, tends to look like they are off...when they get hit consistently. The Jets were able to hit him because they did not have to blitz excessively and had excellent coverage. A great QB can beat the blitz, but when a team can get pressure without having to blitz and keeps the receivers contained, there is not much he can do. Of course, more mobile QBs like Rogers, Ben and Vick can keep plays alive longer and either give the receivers more time to get open or make plays with their legs...but Brady is not what I'd consider a mobile QB.
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The Jets played their game. Congrats to them. But anyone who watches Brady week in week out realizes he was off. Some of that is a credit to the Jets for sure. We had an extra week to game plan and prepare, and it cetainly didn't show.
bpearly69
January 19, 2011 at 09:08AM View BBCode
Brady is as slow as paint drying, it's funny when he does run though, i still remember that juke he had on urlacher a few years back
dirtdevil
January 19, 2011 at 01:27PM View BBCode
i'm not sure pearly. we just painted a small reno and we had this quick-drying paint...i'm pretty sure it could beat brady in the 40.
thatrogue
(Or what they did in '78)
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(Or what the Mets did in 2007 and 2008))
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(((That last one was for Roosters, Tim and Deke)))
[Edited on 1-19-2011 by thatrogue]
January 19, 2011 at 01:36PM View BBCode
Originally posted by bpearly69As could the Sawx ALCS loss in '03.
...choking isn't getting outplayed by a very good team, choking is something the Chargers did in 06, or the yankees to the sox in 04, those could be considered chokes...
(Or what they did in '78)
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(Or what the Mets did in 2007 and 2008))
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(((That last one was for Roosters, Tim and Deke)))
[Edited on 1-19-2011 by thatrogue]
bpearly69
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAt6S1RHBYs
look at him go!
January 19, 2011 at 02:59PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil:lol:
i'm not sure pearly. we just painted a small reno and we had this quick-drying paint...i'm pretty sure it could beat brady in the 40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAt6S1RHBYs
look at him go!
khazim
4-5 his past 9. It definitely puts the damper on his 10-0 run to start.
Brady is every bit as mediocre as Peyton Manning when it comes to the playoffs in recent history.
January 19, 2011 at 08:36PM View BBCode
Originally posted by bpearly69
14-5 overall, not mediocre,
4-5 his past 9. It definitely puts the damper on his 10-0 run to start.
Brady is every bit as mediocre as Peyton Manning when it comes to the playoffs in recent history.