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FuriousGiorge
[quote][i]Originally posted by FuriousGiorge[/i]
You're awfully sensitive for a fan of a team that has never won a postseason series. [/quote]
The Rangers arent bad enough these days to be considered among the worst teams in baseball. Maybe if it were your favorite team being talked about you might want to defend them as well. Maybe not. [/quote]
I guess that's something to hang your hat on when the only banners hanging in your stadium involve finishing 1st in a 4 team division.
April 05, 2006 at 06:32PM View formatted
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[quote][i]Originally posted by youngallstar[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by FuriousGiorge[/i]
You're awfully sensitive for a fan of a team that has never won a postseason series. [/quote]
The Rangers arent bad enough these days to be considered among the worst teams in baseball. Maybe if it were your favorite team being talked about you might want to defend them as well. Maybe not. [/quote]
I guess that's something to hang your hat on when the only banners hanging in your stadium involve finishing 1st in a 4 team division.
whiskybear
You're not supposed to tell anyone; we've known it for years.
April 05, 2006 at 06:33PM View BBCode
Originally posted by rkinslow19
And I stand by my statement that Seattle has the most beautiful summers in the nation
You're not supposed to tell anyone; we've known it for years.
youngallstar
Perhaps the Rangers should be contracted to end their horrible shame.
April 05, 2006 at 06:36PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Originally posted by youngallstar
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
You're awfully sensitive for a fan of a team that has never won a postseason series.
The Rangers arent bad enough these days to be considered among the worst teams in baseball. Maybe if it were your favorite team being talked about you might want to defend them as well. Maybe not.
I guess that's something to hang your hat on when the only banners hanging in your stadium involve finishing 1st in a 4 team division.
Perhaps the Rangers should be contracted to end their horrible shame.
FuriousGiorge
[Edited on 4-5-2006 by FuriousGiorge]
April 05, 2006 at 06:39PM View BBCode
It would rid us of one more legacy of the poisonous awfulness of Washington baseball.[Edited on 4-5-2006 by FuriousGiorge]
max_fischer
I am that lowest level of life form, the Fan That Dare Not Speak His Name:
A Yankee fan.
For thirty years.
I wish I could change, but I can't--it's the only way I can communicate with my dad, who's been a Yankee fan since he was a kid.
I lived in NYC for three years and went to 30-40 games in the Bronx, usually in the bleachers. I saw Dwight Gooden's no-hitter in person.
My fondest memories are of the terrible Yankee teams in the early 1990s, led by Scott Kamienicki and Wade Taylor...
April 05, 2006 at 06:43PM View BBCode
Originally posted by drew
Max, what's your team? It's only fair that we know.
I am that lowest level of life form, the Fan That Dare Not Speak His Name:
A Yankee fan.
For thirty years.
I wish I could change, but I can't--it's the only way I can communicate with my dad, who's been a Yankee fan since he was a kid.
I lived in NYC for three years and went to 30-40 games in the Bronx, usually in the bleachers. I saw Dwight Gooden's no-hitter in person.
My fondest memories are of the terrible Yankee teams in the early 1990s, led by Scott Kamienicki and Wade Taylor...
whiskybear
Well, that's [url=http://forum.simdynasty.com/member.php?action=viewpro&member=yankeekid]patently untrue[/url].
April 05, 2006 at 06:46PM View BBCode
Originally posted by max_fischer
...the Fan That Dare Not Speak His Name
Well, that's [url=http://forum.simdynasty.com/member.php?action=viewpro&member=yankeekid]patently untrue[/url].
FuriousGiorge
Here's what I'll never understand about Yankee fans - they are saddled with one of the crummiest stadiums in the league, and yet they maintain a mass delusion about its greatness.
To continue the discussion of ballparks, there is nothing like a Saturday night game in Charm City, the smells of Boog's Barbeque wafting through the air.
April 05, 2006 at 06:48PM View BBCode
Shame!Here's what I'll never understand about Yankee fans - they are saddled with one of the crummiest stadiums in the league, and yet they maintain a mass delusion about its greatness.
To continue the discussion of ballparks, there is nothing like a Saturday night game in Charm City, the smells of Boog's Barbeque wafting through the air.
max_fischer
Yeah, yankeekid embodies a few of the countless embarrassing things about being a Yankee fan. Guilt by association.
I guess I should amend: the Fan That Dare Not Speak His Name is the SMART Yankee fan, someone who should know better. That's me.
April 05, 2006 at 06:48PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Originally posted by max_fischer
...the Fan That Dare Not Speak His Name
Well, that's [url=http://forum.simdynasty.com/member.php?action=viewpro&member=yankeekid]patently untrue[/url].
Yeah, yankeekid embodies a few of the countless embarrassing things about being a Yankee fan. Guilt by association.
I guess I should amend: the Fan That Dare Not Speak His Name is the SMART Yankee fan, someone who should know better. That's me.
max_fischer
Yankee Stadium has few of the creature comforts that newer parks have, but it does have one thing going for it: it has more history than any park outside the state of Massachusetts.
I went to Camden Yards for the first time in 2004, and I have to say it was a great experience (except of course for the quality of baseball). I had some of Boog's BBQ and sat high above home plate with a view of the skyline. I was very impressed.
April 05, 2006 at 06:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Shame!
Here's what I'll never understand about Yankee fans - they are saddled with one of the crummiest stadiums in the league, and yet they maintain a mass delusion about its greatness.
To continue the discussion of ballparks, there is nothing like a Saturday night game in Charm City, the smells of Boog's Barbeque wafting through the air.
Yankee Stadium has few of the creature comforts that newer parks have, but it does have one thing going for it: it has more history than any park outside the state of Massachusetts.
I went to Camden Yards for the first time in 2004, and I have to say it was a great experience (except of course for the quality of baseball). I had some of Boog's BBQ and sat high above home plate with a view of the skyline. I was very impressed.
folifan19
1990 was a fantastic season though. At least I have that to remember.
April 05, 2006 at 06:56PM View BBCode
Well YAZ, at least you aren't a die hard fan of a small market team, that has virtually no hope, since they have no money to spend. And the fact the reds former GM tied up 25 million prescious dollars on a sucky starter in Milton. Of course there was the Park thing Max referred to. At least he's gone. I still have to watch Uncle Milty give up gopher balls for two more seasons!1990 was a fantastic season though. At least I have that to remember.
FuriousGiorge
Here's the problem with that - Steinbrenner's renovation in the mid-70's pretty much took all that history with it, as the park is now essentially a completely different place. Besides, history is overrated. What makes Fenway great is not the history, which it has plenty of, but that it has a lot of charm. Yankee Stadium is utterly bereft of charm. It is merely an ugly and uncomfortable piece of brick and mortar that happens to sit on the same site of the ballpark that Babe Ruth played in. It's basically Ebbets Field Apartments but filled with 50,000 insufferable Yankee fans instead of, you know, poor people.
[Edited on 4-5-2006 by FuriousGiorge]
April 05, 2006 at 06:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by max_fischer
Yankee Stadium has few of the creature comforts that newer parks have, but it does have one thing going for it: it has more history than any park outside the state of Massachusetts.
Here's the problem with that - Steinbrenner's renovation in the mid-70's pretty much took all that history with it, as the park is now essentially a completely different place. Besides, history is overrated. What makes Fenway great is not the history, which it has plenty of, but that it has a lot of charm. Yankee Stadium is utterly bereft of charm. It is merely an ugly and uncomfortable piece of brick and mortar that happens to sit on the same site of the ballpark that Babe Ruth played in. It's basically Ebbets Field Apartments but filled with 50,000 insufferable Yankee fans instead of, you know, poor people.
[Edited on 4-5-2006 by FuriousGiorge]
FuriousGiorge
Yeah, that's why the Reds suck. Because they don't have money to spend.
April 05, 2006 at 07:00PM View BBCode
Originally posted by folifan19
Well YAZ, at least you aren't a die hard fan of a small market team, that has virtually no hope, since they have no money to spend.
Yeah, that's why the Reds suck. Because they don't have money to spend.
FuriousGiorge
April 05, 2006 at 07:32PM View BBCode
A team with a brand new ballpark and a historically loyal fan base doesn't get to cry poor and use that excuse for not winning. Drive up I-71 and you'll see a team in the exact same situation, except with a much less rabid fan base, that has put out a quality product or at least the pieces to build a quality product with for most of the last decade and which has never claimed its small market status is an inhibitor to winning baseball.
folifan19
I can't stand the Indians and AL baseball.
April 05, 2006 at 07:47PM View BBCode
One thing you don't know about your average red's fan. They turn out on Opening Day (practically a holiday in Cincy), and if the team is winning. The Reds are still feeling the effects of the Marge Schott, as well as the crappy work of GM O'Brien. The minor league sucks becaus Marge didn't feel it was necessary to spend her late husband's hard earned chong on it. And she felt scouts were a waste of money, which was a mistake. So, since there is very little in the farm system, any hope of homegrown tallent coming up is gone, and since the first few years of a minor league product are relatively inexpensive, the Reds will be forced to use retreads and rejects from other teams.I can't stand the Indians and AL baseball.
FuriousGiorge
April 05, 2006 at 07:53PM View BBCode
I don't blame Reds fans for not showing up to watch that team, which is crappy year after year. What bothers me is that fans so easily invoke the "small market blues" excuse for their team's awfulness when it's obvious that a reasonably well-run franchise can compete no matter the market size. You obviously realize the Reds are a poorly-run franchise, so don't let them off the hook by believing the ridiculous myth that only 10-12 teams have any chance to make the playoffs every year. It's bullshit. The Reds are as capable of being competitive as any other team in the league (same goes for the Royals, Pirates, Brewers and all the other "small market" clubs) if management makes good decisions.
folifan19
I was looking at a list of all the MLB payrolls. I believe the Reds was 48 million. There were a dozen or so teams in the 85+million group, and the rest were between 40- 60 million. Except Florida and KC I believe. Both were 25 million or less, if memory serves. But there were some decent teams in the 40-60 mill area, like Cleveland, Milwaukee and I think Toronto. All teams thought to be playoff contenders. So yes, I agree, the more you spend doesn't mean the more you win.
April 05, 2006 at 08:02PM View BBCode
Agreed, and I do blame Marge and O'Brien, especially.I was looking at a list of all the MLB payrolls. I believe the Reds was 48 million. There were a dozen or so teams in the 85+million group, and the rest were between 40- 60 million. Except Florida and KC I believe. Both were 25 million or less, if memory serves. But there were some decent teams in the 40-60 mill area, like Cleveland, Milwaukee and I think Toronto. All teams thought to be playoff contenders. So yes, I agree, the more you spend doesn't mean the more you win.
jetpac
I know I'm a little late but,
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
April 05, 2006 at 08:39PM View BBCode
Originally posted by whiskybear
Originally posted by max_fischer
...the Fan That Dare Not Speak His Name
Well, that's [url=http://forum.simdynasty.com/member.php?action=viewpro&member=yankeekid]patently untrue[/url].
I know I'm a little late but,
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
max_fischer
That's why I hedged with the Fenway reference. Even though the renovation sapped away so much of the character, it is still at least the same field where so many famous events have happened. Even though I have to use my imagination a bit when I'm there, at least it's the same field that's been in use all that time. So many other parks have not even a decade of history. I think that counts for something.
April 06, 2006 at 12:20AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Originally posted by max_fischer
Yankee Stadium has few of the creature comforts that newer parks have, but it does have one thing going for it: it has more history than any park outside the state of Massachusetts.
Here's the problem with that - Steinbrenner's renovation in the mid-70's pretty much took all that history with it, as the park is now essentially a completely different place. Besides, history is overrated. What makes Fenway great is not the history, which it has plenty of, but that it has a lot of charm. Yankee Stadium is utterly bereft of charm. It is merely an ugly and uncomfortable piece of brick and mortar that happens to sit on the same site of the ballpark that Babe Ruth played in. It's basically Ebbets Field Apartments but filled with 50,000 insufferable Yankee fans instead of, you know, poor people.
[Edited on 4-5-2006 by FuriousGiorge]
That's why I hedged with the Fenway reference. Even though the renovation sapped away so much of the character, it is still at least the same field where so many famous events have happened. Even though I have to use my imagination a bit when I'm there, at least it's the same field that's been in use all that time. So many other parks have not even a decade of history. I think that counts for something.
rkinslow19
a) it's filled with bostonians
b) it's in new england
3) obstructed views
4) the hot dog i bought came in A SLICE OF WHITE BREAD
5) the red sox play there
April 06, 2006 at 01:20AM View BBCode
Fenway's great, except thata) it's filled with bostonians
b) it's in new england
3) obstructed views
4) the hot dog i bought came in A SLICE OF WHITE BREAD
5) the red sox play there
ME
April 06, 2006 at 02:41AM View BBCode
Baseball Prospectus did a piece on how the Cardinals are a small market team, but you wouldn't know because they draw a lot of fans because they draw on their tradition and put good teams on the field year after year and don't make excuses.
barterer2002
There was a morning I awoke in KC and just decided to go to a game in Denver (8 1/2 hours drive) that night. Got in my car and drove through 8 hours of nothing, got to Coors and the game was sold out. Got a ticket from a scalper down the first base line and watched the sun set over the Rockies as Mike Piazza hit a ball off the concourse 496 feet from home plate. Went again the next day to the afternoon game and then drove 8 1/2 hours home.
Was working once in Wilmington DE for the A team there and we had a rare 4 days off during the season. My roommate and I got in his car and drove north. Stopped at ballparks in Birmingham NY, Elmyra, Syracuse, Rochester and got to St. Catherines just in time for the 7:35 game. Bought our tickets and walked in when the skies opened up. The game was cancelled in about 5 minutes and they gave our money back. We continued on to Toronto and watched a game in the Skydome the next night and stayed in the Skydome hotel. Stopped the next morning and saw the Hockey Hall of Fame before heading over to Tiger Stadium for the game that night. Tiger Stadium, by the way was the biggest dump of a stadium that I've ever seen-and I grew up with the Vet. The game ended at 10:30 and we had to be in Wilmington the next morning for work at 9 (11 hour drive). Drove all night and got in about 7 (drove a little faster during the night).
April 06, 2006 at 03:14AM View BBCode
You know Goat, some of my favorite baseball memories are road tripsThere was a morning I awoke in KC and just decided to go to a game in Denver (8 1/2 hours drive) that night. Got in my car and drove through 8 hours of nothing, got to Coors and the game was sold out. Got a ticket from a scalper down the first base line and watched the sun set over the Rockies as Mike Piazza hit a ball off the concourse 496 feet from home plate. Went again the next day to the afternoon game and then drove 8 1/2 hours home.
Was working once in Wilmington DE for the A team there and we had a rare 4 days off during the season. My roommate and I got in his car and drove north. Stopped at ballparks in Birmingham NY, Elmyra, Syracuse, Rochester and got to St. Catherines just in time for the 7:35 game. Bought our tickets and walked in when the skies opened up. The game was cancelled in about 5 minutes and they gave our money back. We continued on to Toronto and watched a game in the Skydome the next night and stayed in the Skydome hotel. Stopped the next morning and saw the Hockey Hall of Fame before heading over to Tiger Stadium for the game that night. Tiger Stadium, by the way was the biggest dump of a stadium that I've ever seen-and I grew up with the Vet. The game ended at 10:30 and we had to be in Wilmington the next morning for work at 9 (11 hour drive). Drove all night and got in about 7 (drove a little faster during the night).