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rkinslow19
That's why you're not a bookie.
They will be favored, proabbly by less than a touchdown, because even if USC isn't the better team, they are still at home.
November 15, 2006 at 12:58AM View BBCode
Originally posted by scaffdog
I dont think they will be favored in the ND game.
That's why you're not a bookie.
They will be favored, proabbly by less than a touchdown, because even if USC isn't the better team, they are still at home.
FuriousGiorge
USC doesn't get points at home against Notre Dame. Even on a neutral field, the Trojans are clearly the better team.
November 15, 2006 at 02:22AM View BBCode
Uh...yeah.USC doesn't get points at home against Notre Dame. Even on a neutral field, the Trojans are clearly the better team.
barterer2002
November 15, 2006 at 04:09AM View BBCode
Now, the question is, if you had Coach Ditka facing the combined might of USC, OSU, ND and Mich which team would win?
FuriousGiorge
November 15, 2006 at 05:01AM View BBCode
I'd say it'd be the combined might of USC, Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame 20, Coach Ditka.....24. It'd be close, because I'm assuming the rules will allow all 4 teams to play its 11 at the same time. Ditka will probably struggle in the 1st half against a 44-player team, before pulling it out in the 4th quarter.
scaffdog
November 15, 2006 at 05:05AM View BBCode
hmm, I would say that ND would beat Oregon St on the road, but Michigan would beat down USC at home.
Bones2484
November 15, 2006 at 07:00AM View BBCode
Scaff.. like Kinslow said earlier: Please keep making predictions against the Trojans. It makes me happy knowing that as soon as you do, you will be wrong.
Bones2484
Using the last column, and a homefield advantage of 3 points.... USC would be favored by 13 over ND and favored by 3.5 over Cal. Currently, USC is favored by 5.5 over Cal, showing that either Cal is overrated in the ratings, or USC is underrated.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm
Oregon St would be favored by 2.5 over ND at home.
Michigan would be favored by 1 over USC at home.
This does not, however, take into effect the emotion of rivalry games. Usually the spreads in these games are closer than these ratings show (ie: the OSU-Michigan game this week).
[Edited on 11-15-2006 by Bones2484]
November 15, 2006 at 07:04AM View BBCode
I only keep referring to Sagarin ratings because they haven't failed me in 5 years. Generally the spreads are within +/- 2 point of what he has.Using the last column, and a homefield advantage of 3 points.... USC would be favored by 13 over ND and favored by 3.5 over Cal. Currently, USC is favored by 5.5 over Cal, showing that either Cal is overrated in the ratings, or USC is underrated.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm
Oregon St would be favored by 2.5 over ND at home.
Michigan would be favored by 1 over USC at home.
This does not, however, take into effect the emotion of rivalry games. Usually the spreads in these games are closer than these ratings show (ie: the OSU-Michigan game this week).
[Edited on 11-15-2006 by Bones2484]
scaffdog
my last comment had nothing to do with betting lines, it had to do with who would win.
November 15, 2006 at 05:53PM View BBCode
how much was Texas, Auburn, and Louisville favored last week?my last comment had nothing to do with betting lines, it had to do with who would win.
Bones2484
I was referring to this mostly:
The stuff about Oregon St and Michigan I threw in just for good measure.
November 15, 2006 at 05:56PM View BBCode
Originally posted by scaffdog
how much was Texas, Auburn, and Louisville favored last week?
my last comment had nothing to do with betting lines, it had to do with who would win.
I was referring to this mostly:
Originally posted by scaffdogI dont think they will be favored in the ND game.
The stuff about Oregon St and Michigan I threw in just for good measure.
scaffdog
New Question:
if ND beats USC will they vault over Florida?
November 15, 2006 at 06:40PM View BBCode
Well I guess all thats left now is for them to play the game.New Question:
if ND beats USC will they vault over Florida?
Bones2484
Good question. I think ND is screwed no matter what happens the rest of the season.
If they win out, they could possibly be #2 and pass Florida, but....
If Michigan beats OSU: Does the country really want to see a rematch between ND and Michigan considering the massacre earlier in the season?
If OSU beats Michigan: Will the voters possibly put ND over Michigan in the rankings considering the above reason?
I'd think that the best ND can do is finish 3rd. They will be behind Michigan I believe regardless, and probably behind the winner of Arkansas/Florida unless both somehow manage to lose a game.
November 15, 2006 at 06:45PM View BBCode
Originally posted by scaffdog
New Question:
if ND beats USC will they vault over Florida?
Good question. I think ND is screwed no matter what happens the rest of the season.
If they win out, they could possibly be #2 and pass Florida, but....
If Michigan beats OSU: Does the country really want to see a rematch between ND and Michigan considering the massacre earlier in the season?
If OSU beats Michigan: Will the voters possibly put ND over Michigan in the rankings considering the above reason?
I'd think that the best ND can do is finish 3rd. They will be behind Michigan I believe regardless, and probably behind the winner of Arkansas/Florida unless both somehow manage to lose a game.
scaffdog
November 15, 2006 at 08:02PM View BBCode
Well with the polls love-fest with ND I dont see them being held out if they beat USC. especially if USC beats Cal this weekend. All I can say is that the BCS sucks and it will be interesting to see how this thing plays out. The onyl good thing about the BCS is that it creates a lot of intrigue late in the season that NCAA Basketball is missing.
Damien435
November 16, 2006 at 05:21AM View BBCode
Why Michigan only has one first place vote is simple: Ohio State hasn't lost any games and as such they shouldn't drop a spot, IMO Michigan moved up to the #2 spot way too fast, granted they deserve to be there now, but they jumped over a couple undefeated teams from #6 to #2 back when there were still a score of undefeated teams. It's not so much that Michigan doesn't deserve to be there, but in all fairness a team should not drop in rankings if they won, it doesn't always work, especially when it's a large number of teams with the same record, but when it comes down to two undefeateds it is a lot simpler. For the same reason Rutgers should be #3 with that win over Louisiville, but the voters almost always take into account the previous season, last year Michigan and Rutgers weren't so hot so they get a little less respect than they deserve now. Another example was USC-Oklahoma in the title game three years ago, most people agreed Auburn should have been there but they didn't have the greatest of seasons the year before.
FuriousGiorge
Some day, someone will explain to me how this makes any sense.
November 16, 2006 at 05:36AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Damien435
It's not so much that Michigan doesn't deserve to be there, but in all fairness a team should not drop in rankings if they won
Some day, someone will explain to me how this makes any sense.
Damien435
I'm tired and trying to register for classes next semester while also trying to find out the single season record for most wins in one season by a team in hopes that I could maybe approach half that many wins this season, I might not make any sense.
November 16, 2006 at 05:40AM View BBCode
Ohio was ranked number 1 and they won yet again so they deserve to stay where they are.I'm tired and trying to register for classes next semester while also trying to find out the single season record for most wins in one season by a team in hopes that I could maybe approach half that many wins this season, I might not make any sense.
FuriousGiorge
Why should voters be beholden to preseason polls? If OSU and Michigan are 1-2, and Ohio State barely beats Illinois while Michigan blows out Notre Dame, why shouldn't Michigan leapfrog the Buckeyes?
November 16, 2006 at 05:58AM View BBCode
It's not your syntax that doesn't make sense, it's your logic.Why should voters be beholden to preseason polls? If OSU and Michigan are 1-2, and Ohio State barely beats Illinois while Michigan blows out Notre Dame, why shouldn't Michigan leapfrog the Buckeyes?
Bones2484
Which is exactly why preseason polls should not be done. And why I argue against there being polls until the end of the season.
November 16, 2006 at 04:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
It's not your syntax that doesn't make sense, it's your logic.
Why should voters be beholden to preseason polls? If OSU and Michigan are 1-2, and Ohio State barely beats Illinois while Michigan blows out Notre Dame, why shouldn't Michigan leapfrog the Buckeyes?
Which is exactly why preseason polls should not be done. And why I argue against there being polls until the end of the season.
scaffdog
November 16, 2006 at 07:14PM View BBCode
I say lets just use the computer polls, they dont have pre-conceived notions
FuriousGiorge
November 16, 2006 at 07:15PM View BBCode
A legion of Joe Morgans will be coming to your house this afternoon. Don't fight them, it's for your own good.
rkinslow19
If you argue against preseason polls, you may as well argue against polls during the first few weeks of the season too.
Most teams don't begin conference play right of the bat, and instead schedule cupcakes for the first few weeks of the season (SEC, I'm looking at you). Aside from a handful of entertaining out of conference matchups (Ohio St vs Texas, USC vs Arkansas, etc...), there aren't many meaningful games during the first month of the year. Which is why the BCS isn't released until a month and a half in or so (or so I assume).
Personally, I don't mind preseason polls. They may be flawed, but they also contain the essence of college football. It's not enough just to win in college; you have to do it with style and flair. Like they said in Gladiator, you have to win their hearts.
A similar argument holds true for the Heisman, which is awarded to college football's "most outstanding player". In reality, it goes to the player with most flash, who plays QB or RB, on a title contender. Obviously, this isn't a revelation for anyone reading this post, but I think it's funny how often people bitch about preseason polls, yet I hardly ever hear anyone touting Joe Thomas for Heisman.
Anywho, it's going to be a great weekend for football.
November 17, 2006 at 01:41AM View BBCode
Originally posted by Bones2484
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
It's not your syntax that doesn't make sense, it's your logic.
Why should voters be beholden to preseason polls? If OSU and Michigan are 1-2, and Ohio State barely beats Illinois while Michigan blows out Notre Dame, why shouldn't Michigan leapfrog the Buckeyes?
Which is exactly why preseason polls should not be done. And why I argue against there being polls until the end of the season.
If you argue against preseason polls, you may as well argue against polls during the first few weeks of the season too.
Most teams don't begin conference play right of the bat, and instead schedule cupcakes for the first few weeks of the season (SEC, I'm looking at you). Aside from a handful of entertaining out of conference matchups (Ohio St vs Texas, USC vs Arkansas, etc...), there aren't many meaningful games during the first month of the year. Which is why the BCS isn't released until a month and a half in or so (or so I assume).
Personally, I don't mind preseason polls. They may be flawed, but they also contain the essence of college football. It's not enough just to win in college; you have to do it with style and flair. Like they said in Gladiator, you have to win their hearts.
A similar argument holds true for the Heisman, which is awarded to college football's "most outstanding player". In reality, it goes to the player with most flash, who plays QB or RB, on a title contender. Obviously, this isn't a revelation for anyone reading this post, but I think it's funny how often people bitch about preseason polls, yet I hardly ever hear anyone touting Joe Thomas for Heisman.
Anywho, it's going to be a great weekend for football.
scaffdog
November 17, 2006 at 04:42PM View formatted
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yeah it will be a great weekend for football in both the NFL and College.