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drunkengoat
[url=http://deadspin.com/5244341/bill-plaschke-finally-vindicated-by-manny-ramirez-suspension]Behold! Spittle![/url]
May 08, 2009 at 01:25AM View BBCode
I promised a Bill Plaschke sound byte, and damnit, I don't want to disappoint.[url=http://deadspin.com/5244341/bill-plaschke-finally-vindicated-by-manny-ramirez-suspension]Behold! Spittle![/url]
FuriousGiorge
May 08, 2009 at 02:05AM View BBCode
Is there backstory here? Does Plaschke have some, like, long-standing vendetta against Manny? Or is this just ordinary, run-of-the-mill Plaschke lunacy?
bobcat73
you said it brother.
May 08, 2009 at 02:06AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
(Because Sean Casey is Jesus?)
you said it brother.
drunkengoat
May 08, 2009 at 02:21AM View BBCode
Apparently, Plaschke never really cared for the acquisition of Manny Ramirez. I'll snoop around some BP archives... But as usual, no one listened to his stark raving whatev, and poof! Some of the most priceless audio you'll find on the web these days.
drunkengoat
(I only do this because there's nothing else to do, well... the censored Cavs game... Jesus.)
So he said the trade was good, but the re-signing was going to be a bad idea. But as usual, I'm not going to concede any sort of vindication for the guy. Woody Paige could kick his ass, for god's sake.
May 08, 2009 at 02:27AM View BBCode
[url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/28/sports/sp-plaschke28]I stand corrected.[/url](I only do this because there's nothing else to do, well... the censored Cavs game... Jesus.)
So he said the trade was good, but the re-signing was going to be a bad idea. But as usual, I'm not going to concede any sort of vindication for the guy. Woody Paige could kick his ass, for god's sake.
shep1582
some smoke dope and live productive lives
some took the brown acid and didn't lose their minds
many more DID suffer at the hands of these drugs, so we educate people and criminalize the substances, in the name of protecting kids.
that's what they say this whole thing is truly about, protecting kids from the long term dangers of abusing steroids.
I applaud that.
I don't care what a grown man does to his body or how many homers he hits because he took them, unless the sacred shrine in cooperstown is besmirched, of course.
oh wait, the old timers committee already besmirched it.
never mind...
May 08, 2009 at 02:27AM View BBCode
some people used cocaine and didn't become crackheadssome smoke dope and live productive lives
some took the brown acid and didn't lose their minds
many more DID suffer at the hands of these drugs, so we educate people and criminalize the substances, in the name of protecting kids.
that's what they say this whole thing is truly about, protecting kids from the long term dangers of abusing steroids.
I applaud that.
I don't care what a grown man does to his body or how many homers he hits because he took them, unless the sacred shrine in cooperstown is besmirched, of course.
oh wait, the old timers committee already besmirched it.
never mind...
Duff77
I have officially given up on giving a censored about steroids and, frankly, baseball generally. But any time Craig goes Futurama, I am in love.
May 08, 2009 at 02:47AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
I can punch his Canadian face.
"This is ancient Earth's most foolish program! Why does Ross, the largest Friend, not simply eat the other five?"
I have officially given up on giving a censored about steroids and, frankly, baseball generally. But any time Craig goes Futurama, I am in love.
Duff77
May 08, 2009 at 02:49AM View BBCode
The episode is "When Aliens Attack," ep 1-12. 1ACV12, if you want to be technical about it, and I do.
FuriousGiorge
May 08, 2009 at 02:57AM View BBCode
(It was on Comedy Central, I don't know, a couple of days ago. I think I've seen that one about half a dozen times.)
Duff77
May 08, 2009 at 03:03AM View BBCode
I had to go into rehab about a year ago when I began to have the DVD commentaries memorized. I haven't watched an episode in quite awhile. I haven't seen the last two movies yet, either. I thought the second one was stupid. Okay nerdlinger, shut up about Futurama.
khazim
Heightened testosterone + hcg + massive delay before signing contract = HUGE suspicion.
May 08, 2009 at 04:33AM View formatted
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The only legit reason for a male to use hcg is help in fertility.
Heightened testosterone + hcg + massive delay before signing contract = HUGE suspicion.
Duff77
By which you mean, of course, that he can't accurately measure it against some baseline standard of performance that gives those numbers tangible and absolute meaning, because we CAN count, very easily, just how many times the ball went over the fence.
And I have been saying this for eons: The statistics were incomprehensible long before the steroid era. Different eras, different balls, bats, ballparks, training methods, etc. There's no rational way to compare these guys. I mean it really wouldn't be that hard to look at steroids as another training innovation and simply live with it, as we've come to live with batting gloves and shaved handles and everything else. The only reason the steroid mess even matters is that there's a public perception that it violates a trust between the players and the fans.
Which it does, because it does. There's no way around that. But the public health issue is, and should be, the only relevant perspective on this, and it is the least relevant. This notion that the game was somehow pristine before steroids is ludicrous, though not so much as thinking steroids makes judging players by their statistics significantly less pointless and impossible.
censored it. The HOF ballot should be like the All-Star ballot. It should COME with the All-Star ballot, and be just as relevant.
May 08, 2009 at 04:52AM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
this whole thing is about grown-ass men whose lives lose meaning if they can't accurately count how many times some censored hit the ball out of the various ballparks in which he played.
By which you mean, of course, that he can't accurately measure it against some baseline standard of performance that gives those numbers tangible and absolute meaning, because we CAN count, very easily, just how many times the ball went over the fence.
And I have been saying this for eons: The statistics were incomprehensible long before the steroid era. Different eras, different balls, bats, ballparks, training methods, etc. There's no rational way to compare these guys. I mean it really wouldn't be that hard to look at steroids as another training innovation and simply live with it, as we've come to live with batting gloves and shaved handles and everything else. The only reason the steroid mess even matters is that there's a public perception that it violates a trust between the players and the fans.
Which it does, because it does. There's no way around that. But the public health issue is, and should be, the only relevant perspective on this, and it is the least relevant. This notion that the game was somehow pristine before steroids is ludicrous, though not so much as thinking steroids makes judging players by their statistics significantly less pointless and impossible.
censored it. The HOF ballot should be like the All-Star ballot. It should COME with the All-Star ballot, and be just as relevant.
DougB
what makes comparisons significantly harder is when you can't even compare players in the SAME era because you don't know which half of the players was juicing and which half was not. Or even if half is the right number.
[Edited on 5-8-2009 by DougB]
May 08, 2009 at 11:36AM View BBCode
And I have been saying this for eons: The statistics were incomprehensible long before the steroid era. Different eras, different balls, bats, ballparks, training methods, etc. There's no rational way to compare these guys. I mean it really wouldn't be that hard to look at steroids as another training innovation and simply live with it, as we've come to live with batting gloves and shaved handles and everything else. The only reason the steroid mess even matters is that there's a public perception that it violates a trust between the players and the fans.
Which it does, because it does. There's no way around that. But the public health issue is, and should be, the only relevant perspective on this, and it is the least relevant. This notion that the game was somehow pristine before steroids is ludicrous, though not so much as thinking steroids makes judging players by their statistics significantly less pointless and impossible.
what makes comparisons significantly harder is when you can't even compare players in the SAME era because you don't know which half of the players was juicing and which half was not. Or even if half is the right number.
[Edited on 5-8-2009 by DougB]
barterer2002
Is this even true. Does hcg help men in fertility? I thought it was just used to help women in fertility.
May 08, 2009 at 12:18PM View BBCode
Originally posted by khazim
The only legit reason for a male to use hcg is help in fertility.
Is this even true. Does hcg help men in fertility? I thought it was just used to help women in fertility.
tm4559
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin
perhaps manny saw this florida doctor and said doctor said manny's nuts were too small, and perhaps this might help them grow bigger. or perhaps manny wanted to ovulate, maybe he is actually a woman. a very ugly woman. marginally more ugly than fergie.
May 08, 2009 at 02:10PM View BBCode
it seems (from what i can tell) to be strictly a female fertility drug (in pregnancy it helps sustain the fetus, before pregnancy i believe this says it can trigger ovulation). in men, it supposedly helps the body to produce testosterone naturally when said body stops having steroids fed to it. there is a little bit here about its controversial (or doubtful, whatever) useage as a weight loss adjunct.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin
perhaps manny saw this florida doctor and said doctor said manny's nuts were too small, and perhaps this might help them grow bigger. or perhaps manny wanted to ovulate, maybe he is actually a woman. a very ugly woman. marginally more ugly than fergie.
drunkengoat
Oh, come now, boss! I've been around!
May 08, 2009 at 02:46PM View BBCode
Uglier than Fergie?!Oh, come now, boss! I've been around!
khazim
From your link:
Basically it makes the testes start kicking out testosterone, which is necessary for the testes to make sperm.
if this is what is was used for, I understand his concern about mentioning it to a team doctor.
May 08, 2009 at 02:56PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
it seems (from what i can tell) to be strictly a female fertility drug (in pregnancy it helps sustain the fetus, before pregnancy i believe this says it can trigger ovulation). in men, it supposedly helps the body to produce testosterone naturally when said body stops having steroids fed to it. there is a little bit here about its controversial (or doubtful, whatever) useage as a weight loss adjunct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin
perhaps manny saw this florida doctor and said doctor said manny's nuts were too small, and perhaps this might help them grow bigger. or perhaps manny wanted to ovulate, maybe he is actually a woman. a very ugly woman. marginally more ugly than fergie.
From your link:
In the male, hCG injections are used to stimulate the leydig cells to synthesize testosterone. The intratesticular testosterone is necessary for spermatogenesis from the sertoli cells. Typical uses for hCG in men include hypogonadism and fertility treatment.
Basically it makes the testes start kicking out testosterone, which is necessary for the testes to make sperm.
if this is what is was used for, I understand his concern about mentioning it to a team doctor.
tm4559
May 08, 2009 at 03:00PM View BBCode
one day i am going to learn how to read. if manny wants [his wife to have] more kids, he just needs to have melvin mora to come over and stay for a while.
khazim
May 08, 2009 at 03:03PM View BBCode
However, Manny did also have abnormally high testosterone in his system, which wouldn't be apparent in 99% of fertility concern type cases.
FuriousGiorge
May 08, 2009 at 03:25PM View BBCode
Let's use our common sense, shall we? We all know why Manny used it.
tm4559
May 08, 2009 at 03:33PM View BBCode
so he could have a baby? it was either that or a cork in the ass.